1. A commentator asked “if the Islamic Empire (there never was an Islamic empire in the sense of the other Empires – only an Islamic community – the Ummah) was so good in science before why are the Orgainisation of Islamic Conference countries lagging behind in science and technology?”.
2. I had explained why before but i think I should repeat.
3. The early Muslims accepted the message of Allah in the Qur’an enjoining upon Muslims to read (Iqraq). The verse (the first to be received by the Prophet – an illiterate man) did not specify, much less limit what Muslims should read.
4. There were no books on Islam at that time but there were many books on the Hebrew and the Christian religions. There were also many books or tracts on Greek science and philosophy as well as Indian mathematics.
5. The early Muslims read and eventually translated all the writings of the Greeks, the Indians and others. Obviously they had to learn these languages first. Then they followed up by doing their own research.
6. And so the early Muslims were learned in the subjects pioneered by these other races and this added to the body of knowledge they had acquired.
7. The Europeans on the other hand were wallowing in the superstitions of the Dark Ages despite having embraced Christianity. The superior civilisation of the Muslims overwhelmed the Europeans so that Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Greece and much of Eastern Europe fell under Muslim rule.
8. But around the 15th Century of the Christian era, fatwas were made by Muslim Ulamas that “Iqraq” or read was intended for reading and studying religion only. From then on the Muslim scientists, physicians, mathematicians etc stopped their study of these subjects in order to study religion exclusively.
9. On the other hand the Europeans noticing the greatness of the Muslim civilisation decided to acquire the knowledge of the Muslims in the different subjects, including those of the Greeks. To do this Christian priests learnt Arabic and were thus able to gain access to the great libraries of Cordoba, Baghdad and elsewhere. They translated the work of the Muslim scholars and scientists into Latin and then into the other European languages.
10. If we care to read the history of the Muslims and the Europeans we would notice that from around the 15th Century of the Christian era when the Muslims rejected what they regarded as non-religious knowledge, the Muslim civilisation began to regress.
11. The Europeans, after acquiring the knowledge of the Muslims started to emerge from the Dark Ages and to build the civilisation that we see today.
12. Unfortunately Muslim historians seem not to have noticed the significance of the fatwas of the 15th Century A.D. Even today Muslims seem unwilling to connect this decline of their civilisation with the neglect of non-religious knowledge. But European historians admit that their emergence from the Dark Ages, their Renaissance, coincided with their study of the Islamic civilisation and its origins.
Dengan izin Tun,
shaikino
I don’t know if Tun’s admins will allow my reply but to make my stand clear to you and Adam, I’d like to say the following:
You said, “As for prof_ridcully accused Rashad: faulty and delusory translation of the Holy Quran by a deluded charlatan for information on Islam and he further said that Rashad do not have the qualification. So who and who are correct or wrong”
AR Kidwai wrote a survey of translations of the Quran. This is what AR Kidwai said about Khalifa’s translation: “In view of the blasphemous statements contained in Rashad Khalifa’s The Qur’an: The Final Scripture (Authorized English Version) (Tucson, 1978), it has not been included in the translations by Muslims.”
FYI Kidwai was a PhD in chemistry and Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh, India.
Kidwai also advises, “the Muslim student should judiciously make use of Pickthall, A. Yusuf Ali, Asad and Irving, Even Arberry’s stylistic qualities must not be ignored. Ultimately, of course, the Muslim should try to discover the original and not allow himself to be lost in a maze of translations and interpretations.” [Bold italics mine]
Further, you said, “Did God give you the authority regarding the translations to select and to condemn as you wish? Do you know better than God in term of His own divine source Quran or are you just following your own opinion? “
I do not follow my own opinion. I follow the opinions of authorities in Quranic studies and Islam
To quote a scholar, “our Creator is well aware that a great many of the things we know are learned from other people, and has made allowance for this in even the most imperative of commands, that of iman. The Testification of Faith by which we become Muslim means accepting everything conveyed to us by Allah and His messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace).”
He also says, “The most grievous of offences and heinous of enormities is associating others with Allah Most High (shirk), or disbelief in Him, or in that which has been conveyed by our liegelord Muhammad the Messenger of Allah (Allah Most High bless him and give him peace), or sarcasm about anything thereof, may Allah be our refuge from that.
Salamunalaykum Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE MOST HIGH.
1. Abraham insisted to witness a miracle from GOD when all the proofs were around him (Abraham). Abraham saw all the horses, the mules, the donkeys, crops, olives, sky, moon, sun etc. but HE (ABRAHAM) INSISTED TO WITNESS GOD
The Hidden Secret
You said, [33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
That is correct. Prophet Muhammad ص
Peace,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Islam (Submission) is for individual to submit without fear to God alone without idolizing anyone (Muhammad, Jesus, Abraham, Mary, Rashad Khalifa, saint and etc) beside God. By submitting to God alone is to follow His commandment only source Quran as the sole guidance.
[6:51] And preach with this (Quran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord – they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor – that they may attain salvation.
God had commanded us not to use any other source except the Quran.
[18:27] You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord’s scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.
[3:73] “And do not believe except as those who follow your religion.” Say, “The true guidance is GOD’s guidance.” If they claim that they have the same guidance, or argue with you about your Lord, say, “All grace is in GOD’s hand; He bestows it upon whomever He wills.” GOD is Bounteous, Omniscient.
Do (prof_ridcully, wajaperak and sdahenan) have the same guidance as God? Definitely not, but they always try to convince and pin point it is faulty, flawed and delusory translation of the Holy Quran by a deluded charlatan for information on Islam and further said the person do not have the qualification and his heart is full of disease and derhaka.
The commentator
Peace Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE OMNIPRESENT.
1. My GOD NEVER say that Muhammad is the final messenger. According to my GOD, Muhammad is the final prophet [33:40] :-
Marmaduke Pickthall :
[33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
2. My GOD says that He took covenant from all His prophets where He gave them scriptures and wisdom [3:81].
Marmaduke Pickthall :
[3:81] When ALLAH MADE (HIS) COVENANT WITH THE PROPHETS, (He said): Behold that which I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE SCRIPTURE AND KNOWLEDGE. And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter) ? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you.
3. My GOD says that Muhammad is one of the prophet who took the covenant from GOD [33:7] :-
Marmaduke Pickthall :
[33:7] And when WE EXACTED A COVENANT FROM THE PROPHETS, and FROM THEE (O MUHAMMAD) and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus son of Mary. We took from them a solemn covenant;
4. During the covenant, My GOD says that a messenger will then confirm the scriptures given to all the prophets [3:81] :-
Marmaduke Pickthall :
[3:81] When Allah made (His) covenants with the prophets, (He said): Behold that which I have given you the scripture and knowledge. And AFTERWARD THERE WILL COME UNTO YOU A MESSENGER, CONFIRMING THAT WHICH YE POSSESS. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter) ? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear ye witness. I will be a witness with you.
5. As such, there is a messenger of GOD after Muhammad. This explained why my GOD never says that Muhammad was the last messenger as my GOD will send a messenger after Muhammad. Who is this messenger? Are we going to reject this messenger like the Jewish reject Jesus? Are we going to reject this messenger like the Jewish, Christians and Muhammad
Peace,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
To: Adam
Your quote: [You made a mistake in few things, Rashad did nothing wrong translating the Quran. But he committed a grievous sin when he proclaimed to be a new messenger].
Please refer back my commented to prof_ridcully on: By Shaikino on February 20, 2010 2:35 AM
Please verify your understanding regarding this particular date dated above.
Adam you say that: Rashad did nothing wrong translating the Quran. As for prof_ridcully accused Rashad: faulty and delusory translation of the Holy Quran by a deluded charlatan for information on Islam and he further said that Rashad do not have the qualification. So who and who are correct or wrong.
As I said earlier that the sincere can grasp the message of the Quran.
[56:79] None can grasp it except the sincere.*
The insincere are block from understanding the Quran since they don
Why do you insist on the Mathematical code of Quran when the proofs are all around you?
It does not matter who Rashad is, there are many Christians and non-muslims who has translated the Quran, as I have mentioned previously. George Sale translated the Quran for Thomas Jefferson, Muhammad Asad was a Christian before Islam.
Your bones, your heart, your organs, are all worshipping him.Why insist on one thing?
16:5 And He created the livestock for you, to provide you with warmth, and many other benefits, as well as food.
16:8 And (He created) the horses, the mules, and the donkeys for you to ride, and for luxury. Additionally, He creates what you do not know.
Have you not wondered why the horses are created? the mules, the donkeys?
16:10 He sends down from the sky water for your drink, and to grow trees for your benefit.
After the land has died out, he send water to the land, for the trees, and for you to drink. Have you not wonder why we cannot possibly live in another planet? scientifically?
16:66 in the livestock there is a lesson for you: we provide you with a drink from their bellies. From the midst of digested food and blood, you get pure milk, delicious for the drinkers.
He made you milk out of livestock, cows, sheep. Still coincidence that all these are around you?
16:11 With it, He grows for you crops, olives, date palms, grapes, and all kinds of fruits. This is (sufficient) proof for people who think.
With the water from the rain we grow crops, and we get the delicious bounties. And with the trees growing we help each other — photosynthesis. The trees gave us Oxygen and we gave them Carbon Dioxide. Can this be coincidence? Ever wonder why human cannot live on the moon? These are only the SIMPLEST facts, there are something more amazing.
16:12 He commits, in your service, the night and the day, as well as the sun and the moon. Also, the stars are committed by His command. These are (sufficient) proofs for people who understand.
He control the night, the day, as well as the stars, sufficient proof for those who understand. The night, and day is perfectly set that way so you could rest in the night, and work in the day.
16:13 (He created) for you on earth things of various colors. This is a (sufficient) proof for people who take heed.
He made colours around you, with your eyes you could enjoy. and In fact, not just COLOURS, if you watch carefully even those captured picture has much secret inside it. Not just colours, but time and space. Even the smallest sub-atom, the DNA, the brain.
16:14 He committed the sea to serve you; you eat from it tender meat, and extract jewelry which you wear. And you see the ships roaming it for your commercial benefits, as you seek His bounties, that you may be appreciative.
He made the sea for us to extract food out of it,(fishes), for transportation, trading (by ships), this is coincidence?
16:1 GOD’s command has already been issued (and everything has already been written), so do not rush it.* Be He glorified; the Most High, far above any idols they set up.
He is far above any idol, WORSHIP him alone without hesitation, not even Rashad, you, me, or anyone should be in-between.
16:3 He created the heavens and the earth for a specific purpose. He is much too High, far above any idols they set up.
16:20 As for the idols they set up beside GOD, they do not create anything; they themselves were created.
The idol himself is created by him alone, he did not create anything.
16:36 We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, “You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry.” Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors.
Some were guided by his light, and some others were committed to idolatry, even the submitters. Worse still, even the people of the scriptures ( Christian and Jews ).
16:37 No matter how hard you try to guide them, GOD does not guide the ones He had committed to straying. Thus, no one can help them.
No matter what I try, Allah does not guide those who committed to astray. If he wills, he could just send something out of the sky as a proof that make all human prostrate.
2:6 As for those who disbelieve, it is the same for them; whether you warn them, or not warn them, they cannot believe.*
The same for them, it will not change.
2:7 GOD seals their minds and their hearing, and their eyes are veiled. They have incurred severe retribution.
The eyes, the minds, the hearing are sealed. Regardless what I say it will not work.
Salamunalaykum Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE OMNIPOTENT.
1. My GOD in His Quran NEVER says that Muhammad was the final messenger. Whoever claim that it is mentioned in the Quran that Muhammad was the final messenger is a LIAR. I would appreciate if someone could quote a verse from the Quran about Muhammad being the final messenger.
Yusuf Ali :
[33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS : and God has full knowledge of all things.
Despite this clear definition of Muhammad, most Muslims insist that he was the last prophet and also the last messenger. This is a tragic human trait as we see in 40:34. Those who readily believe God realize that God sent His purifying and consolidating Messenger of the Covenant after the final prophet Muhammad (3:81, 33:7).
2. Joseph was said to be the last messenger but GOD keep on sending messengers after Joseph.
[40:34] Joseph had come to you before that with clear revelations, but you continued to doubt his message. Then, when he died you said, “GOD will not send any other messenger after him. (He was the LAST MESSENGER)!”** GOD thus sends astray those who are transgressors, doubtful.
Footnote for [40:34] : The Jews refused to believe in the Messiah when he came to them, the Christians refused to believe in Muhammad when he came to them, and a majority of today’s Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last messenger. On that erroneous basis, they refused to accept God’s Messenger of the Covenant.
**40:34 It is noteworthy that we find the name “Rashad” in the Arabic text precisely four verses ahead of the injunction against saying “the last messenger,” and also four verses after it.
3. We never ridicule or downgrade any messenger including Muhammad. We also never exalt any messenger above other messengers including Rashad. It is true that our GOD prefers some of His messengers over other messengers but our GOD gives us clear instruction not make any distinction among of His messengers.
Pickthall :
[2:285] The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers
ASSALAMUALAIKUM WARAHMATULLAH HI TAALA WABAROKATUH
Yang Di Hormati Lagi Di Kasehi Ayahanda Tun dan Bonda Siti Hasmah.
Anakanda tumpang lalu:
Adikku Wajaperak dan Saudara Prof Ridcully .tumpang lalu.
To:Adam: Well written.Read and read again the Glorious Al Qur’an
and hopefully one day by the Grace and Mercy of Allah
SWT you will hear the Beautiful .Melodious and Harmanious
Al Qur’an being read to you by somebody without you
been able to see who the person is or was or mabe somebody
will come into your dream and read the Al Qur’an to as
a GIFT from ALLAH SWT.
NOW BACK TO SHAIKINO,:
You asked me to visit submission miracle website in order to
know aboiut the INITIALS?
YOU MUST BE JOKING.THE submission centre is a place THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM. IF YOU PEOPLE SAID THAT YOU ALL ARE MUSLIM. YES YOU ALL ARE MUSLIM BUT WITH THE VERSION OF RASHAD KHILAFA ONLY.OR SHALL I SAY THE PLACE WHERE THE HEART IS FULL OF
DISEASE.
DON’T TALK ABOUT BREAKING THE CODE OF THE INTIALS WHICH ARE FROM ALLAH SWT.NO HUMAN HEADS WILL BE ABLE TO BREAK THE CODE SO DON’T BULLSHIT AROUND.FOR A HUMAN BEING,BEEN ABLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE CODE
(NOT TO BREAK OR DECIPER THE CODE OF THE INITIALS) IS A MATTER OF A GIFT BY THE GRACE AND MERCY OF ALLAH SWT.YOU CAN COMBINE THE BEST MINDS IN THE WORLD (NORTH,SOUTH,EAST AND WEST) AND THE ANSWER WILL BE ZERO.YOU GOT THAT.
NOW I WILL TEACH AND EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW TO GET TO KNOW ABOUT THE CODES OF THE INITIALS:
1) YOU HAVE TO READ,CHANT AND REMEMBER THE NAME OF ALLAH SWT
70,000 TIMES IN A DAY AND NIGHT SAME AS OUR BREADTH 70,000
UP AND DOWN IN A DAY AND NIGHT JUST AS WHAT IMAM GHAZALI
SAID.
2) YOU HAVE TO FAST. WELL IN MALAY IT IS CALLED “PUASA
PEMUTIHAN” FOR 30 DAYS WHEREBY YOU CAN ONLY EAT DURING
“SAHUR” JUST A GLASS OF PLAIN WATER AND A SPOON OF PLAIN
RICE AND THAT GOES THE SAME WHEN YOU BREAK THE FAST.NO SALT ,
SUGAR OR ANYTHING ELSE.
3) YOU HAVE TO READ SURAH AL IKHLAS 500,000 TIMES WITHIN 3
MONTHS TIME.
4) YOU MUST BE A MUSLIM WHOSE SHAHADAH IS ‘ASH HADU ALLA ILA HA
ILLALLAH WA ASH HADU ANNA MUHAMMADAR RASULULLAH”.
5) AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IS , ONLY WITH THE MERCY AND GRACE OF
ALLAH SWT THAT YOU WIIL MEET SOMEBODY WHO WILL EXPLAINED TO
YOU THE MEANING OF THOSE INITIALS .
DID YOU shaikino or any of your comrade MEETS WITH THOSE
REQUIREMENTS?. SO STOP AROUND BEATING THE BUSH.
It seems funny to read that through his computer calculations.rashad khilafa knows that the end of the world will come on 2280.surely you shaikino and your comrade will have to agree to rashad’s claim or if not you all will become a “DERHAKA” FOLLOWERS.
I tell you what shaikino.why don’t you shaikino or your comrade or the whole lot of you in the submission center or CULT stand infront of big mirror and see ON THE HAIR ON YOUR HEAD AND TELL ME HOW MANY ARE THERE,HOW MANY HAIRS YOU HAVE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR BODY AND HOW MANY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR BODY,STICK OUT YOUR TOUNGE AND SEE HOW MANY HOLES ARE THERE ON YOUR TOUNGE,HOW ABOUT ON THE PALMS OF BOTH YOUR HANDS.IF YOU OR YOUR COMRADE CAN’T ANSWER THAT.HOW’S IN THE HELL THAT YOUN PEOPLE KNOW WHEN IS THE END OF THE WORLD?.
Don’t start to give me the verses of your rashad khilafa interpreted Al Qur’an because to me IT’S FLAWED.to me you all are still GREEN.YOU READ THE INTERPRETED AL QUR’AN VERSION rashad khilafa and start manupulaing around.Should you all read the original Al Qur’an,it only goes into your eyes and not into your head whatmore in YOUR HEART.
HAVE YOU EVER HAVE A TOOTHACHE shaikino? THE PAIN IS UNBEARABLE.
ONLY YOU CAN FEEL IT AND NOT EVEN THE DENTIST CAN FEEL THE PAIN THAT YOU’RE SUFFERING.WHILE WAITING FOR YOUR TURN TO PULL OUT THE TEETH,YOU’RE CROWDED WITH FEAR,STOMACH ACHE,SCARED OF THE NEEDLES AND THE PLIERS AND ONLY YOU AND YOU ALONE CAN FEEL THE THING.
NOW LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE VERSES OF THE REAL AL QUR’AN.
TO BEAR THE PAIN OF THE TOOTH ACHE IS TEN TIMES EASIER THAN TO FEEL ONLY ONE VERSE OF THE AL QUR’AN THAT GOES INTO YOUR HEART.
I KEEP NOTICE THAT YOU PEOPLE LOVE TO WRITE ‘ONLY THE SINCERE,ONLY THE SINCERE’.YOU PEOPLE DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY HAIRS THERE ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR BODY AND YET DARE AND ARROGANTLY SPEAKS ABOUT “SINCERITY’ THAT LIES WAY DOWN DEEP INSIDE YOUR HEART.ONLY ALLAH SWT KNOWS THE SICERITY OF ONE HUMAN BEING.
DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ‘ILLUMINATI AND LUMINARIES’?
SEMOGA AYAHANDA TUNM DAN BONDA SITI HASMAH SELALU BERADA DI BAWAH LINDUNGAN RAHMAT ALLAF SUBHANA HUWA TAALA.
ALIF LAM MIM
WASSALLAM
“We revealed it as an Arabic recital so that you would understand,” says the Qur’an (12:2).
Indeed, the Qur’an is an Arabic text, and the original text has been preserved unchanged for more than fourteen centuries. And I must say the beauty of the Arabic–when read or heard in recitation–is unrivalled. You can really feel the text come alive with emotion, like in chapter 12 when the Prophet Jacob (peace and blessings be upon him) laments the loss of his son Joseph. You can really feel his sorrow if you understand the Arabic text, and it is hard to not shed a tear of sympathy for him.
All that gets lost in the translation.
But the reality is this: The overwhelming majority of the Muslim world are not native Arabic speakers. Hence, the Qur’an has been translated into a number of languages. Lately–especially after September 11, 2001–the English translations have garnered an increased amount of attention and scrutiny, especially by those who claim (falsely) that the Qur’an enshrines violence and hatred against all non-Muslim.
One thing must be understood about any translation of the Qur’an: It is really an interpretation of the meaning of the words. The Arabic language is a very rich and complex language. Many words have several different meanings that can also be applied within the same verse. That is why it is extremely important for anyone who decides to translate the Qur
I cant help but to comment.
You made a mistake in few things, Rashad did nothing wrong translating the Quran. But he committed a grievous sin when he proclaimed to be a new messenger.
His translation were accurate, except for these phrases, and few others that I found out to be inaccurate. If you wish to read a better one, go here :
http://www.amazon.com/Quran-Pure-Literal-Translation-ebook/dp/B001872RKA
It’s a good read, try Pickthail, Yusuf Ali, and the others as comparison. And even try to read the latest by Laleh Bakhtiar.
But the best in plain English I found is the one above. I have been collecting many translations ranging from Muhammad Asad, Yusuf Ali, Pikthail,Dr. Muhammed Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali and many others.
You could read Dr Muhammed translation here;
http://www.quran4u.com/quran_english_mwh.htm
But despite all these, remember the best language to learn the Quran is arab. You will know what it mean when you actually could read it and recite it in arabic.
The only religion acceptable to God is Submission. [3:19]
It is actually, what it should is;
The only religion (Islam) that is acceptable to Allah is submission to his will.(Submitting to the will of Allah)
What it means to submit to his (Allah ) will is that, to submit to the will and be guided, not be lead astray.
Rashad’s follower misunderstood this phrase, and believe in the PLURALISM of religions.
That is why when reading what Rashad wrote, you must compare it with the other translation to understand what it means.
The only religion that are acceptable are these;
Abrahamic religions which included : Judasim, Christian, and Islam. Not the other religion such as Buddhism, nor Hinduism.
98:1 Those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture, as well as the idol worshipers, insist on their ways, despite the proof given to them.*
This verse clearly indicates not even Rashad should be idolised, and if you are saying that I am wrong. This one is Rashad’s translation, the second version of his.
Anyone who seeks other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him and, in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers. [3:85]
The word submission here is wrongly misinterpreted by the submitters, because by ‘submission’ here it does not actually mean, SUBMISSION as another religion. It MEANS submission the will of Allah, the one and only lord.
It actually means, to preach everyone to submit to the will of Allah, it never mention of a new religion. In fact if you read the transliteration.
Inna addeena AAinda Allahial-islamu
I hope you could understand what this mean.
But I thanked you for showing the first ever translation when I was here back then that leads me to the other translation, but be careful though, although they are in english you must also ask the scholars on the meaning.
Salam sekali lagi Tun,
Saya memohon maaf sekiranya perbincangan mengenai Khalifa ini berpanjangan tetapi saya tidak boleh membiarkan komen The Hidden Secret, Shaikino dan The Key terbiar tanpa dijawab.
Dengan izin Tun saya ingin memberi sedikit respons kepada The Hidden Secret
Witness GOD’s miracle (not Rashad Khalifa’s miracle) at… Quran.com! [link to Quran.com]
The link above gives the Arabic Quran, several sound English translations of the Quran as well as a commentary (tafsir) and Arabic grammar lessons.
Yes, I agree with you that the Quran is a miracle bestowed by Allah, Glorious and Exalted is He, to Prophet Muhammad ص
Peace,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Sdahenan
As I had said earlier, this Quran is a divine source from our Al-Mighty God. Angel are assigned to specific people in their task.
[74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, “What did GOD mean by this allegory?” GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
Only the sincere can grasp it the message of the Quran
[56:79] None can grasp it except the sincere.*
This scripture is infallible, fully detail, complete and in truth and justice. God did not leave anything out of this book and nothing shall abrogate His words and His decisions. We shall not find any other source beside it.
[10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
[6:38]
By 1600, both Christianity and Judaism had become largely EUROPEAN religions. This in terms of the religion’s leadership, elite and in populations of followers. Perhaps the Ottomans had thought that since their power was as much European-based as it was ‘Near Eastern’ or ‘Middle Eastern’ or ‘Asian’ or ‘Oriental’, ultimately the religion that their state power was also reconcilable with Europe.
Arab cultures, Persians, Turks, and Muslim Indians have not shown themselves to be averse to science and technology. But one thing they have in common with, for example, the Muslims of SE Asia: at least a few centuries of disaster under conquest and colonialism, most of it controlled from Europe (and then from the US in the 20th century).
Look at the example of Iraq, a very recent one. Fundamentally a ‘Muslim’ country which promoted tolerance and inter-marriage across Arab-Kurd, Sunni-Shia and even Islam-Christian, Islam-Judaism divisions and embraced science and technology in order to develop into a modern Arab state.
However, it was unable to deal peacefully with both anti-US Iran and pro-US Kuwait, and even more disastrously, was destroyed by the US (and its UK ally) over the past two decades. It’s not for me to say that this was the fault of Saddam Hussein and his regimes. I believe history long term will show him to be , in positive terms, a true opponent of the US and Israel. And remember, it was he who gave refuge to the Ayatollah Khomeini. Ultimately he, like Yasser Arafat, proved far braver than the idiots who would like us to dance on their graves.
Salamunalaykum Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE MOST WISE.
1. Wikipedia mentioned that Ahmad Deeedat did write a book entitled “AL-QUR’AN: THE ULTIMATE MIRACLE” featuring the theory of ‘the Number 19’ that was popularized by Arizona-based Egyptian computer analyst Dr.Rashad Khalifa. However, this booklet was later withdrawn from circulation after Dr. Rashad Khalifa publicly disclosed some controversial beliefs including his rejection of the entire Hadith literature of Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Deedat#cite_note-24
As provided by Wikipedia, the following website is about the book entitled
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun..
Prof_Ridcully and Abg SDahenan..
Sebenarnya apa yang shaikino dan rakan-rakan mereka mahu?
Mereka mahukan pengiktirafan,kemegahan,keagungan,galmor,prestij dan sebagainya yang tidak akan mereka perolehi jika
tidak memperlekehkan Islam di dalam blog Tun..
Ini cara mudah.Mereka tidak mampu mencapai kecemerlangan akademik seperti Prof_Ridcully.Kebaktian yang banyak seperti Bro Kamal Ahmad,ketenangan Nur Allah pada abg Sdahenan dan nak menandingi pencapaian Tun?..Jangan mimpi lah..
Jadi apa cara mudah? Memperlekehkan agama Islam di blog Tun akan
mengundang “their moment in sun”..
Musailamah Al Kazzab buat perkara yang lebih dahsyat..Dia mendakwa dirinya “Nabi” di kala Rasullulah s.a.w masih hidup lagi.Apa tujuan dia?Cari glamor je..Dan dapat ramai juga pengikut sesat!! Dan dapat
isteri pula seorang “Nabi” perempuan!!
Isu ini tak akan kehabisan..Mengapa perempuan tak boleh jadi hakim? Mengapa perempuan tak boleh kahwin empat?..bla..bla..
Saidina Abu Bakar r.a. hantar tentera memerangi Musailamah dan Khalid bermatian-matian berperang baru dapat menumpaskan mereka..
Golongan ini muncul kini..Ingin mencapai sesuatu yang tidak terdaya di capai dengan tulus ikhlas dan kerja sukar yang berterusan..
Kerja menghancurkan Islam memang susah..sebab itu ianya
Tidak pernah akan berjaya!!
Shaikino dan kawan-kawan anda..Jika anda ingin prestij dan glamor,menghancurkan Islam bukan caranya..belajar dari sejarah..Saya telah katakan dahulu dan ulangi di sini..Kalau tersesat di hujung jalan,kembali lah ke pangkal jalan..Jangan malu dan segan..
Banyak pembesar di Mekah dahulu malu untuk mengakui kebenaran..
“Kalau kita tunduk,maka nanti kita jadi orang bawahan Muhammad! mana nak letak muka kita?”..
Begitulah shaikino..jika anda malu kepada saya,Prof_Ridcully,Abg Sdahenan dan lain-lain maka jangan tunduk dan dengar cakap kami..
Dan tak perlu malu kepada kami tetapi..
Tunduk,malu dan taatlah kepada perintah ALLAH!!!
Ribuan terima kasih Tun..
Saya mengucapkan ribuan terimakasih kepada Tun kerana memberi ruangan di blog Tun..Ribuan terima kasih..
Shaikino
[[I need to remind both of you and to the readers of this blog, however to verify the truth as God commanded us in the Quran and never accept any information including ours without verification]]
Both of you like to put accusation and lies toward me and my comrades]]
The truth is here
ASSALAMUALAIKUM WARAHMATULLAH HI TAALA WABAROKATUH
Yang di sayangi lagi di kasehi Ayahanda Tun dan Bonda Siti Hasmah
Anakanda tumpang lalu:
Saudaraku wajaperak dan prof ridcully:tumpang lalu.
To:shaikino and his gang.
As days goes by you people are getting from BAD TO WORSE.
BAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION AND BAD WITH YOUR EXPLAINATION.
shaikino.who are the first one who started this unhealthy quarrel afterall.wasn’t it was you shaikino.aren’t you the first one who said and call all muslim were idolators just because the mainstream muslim pledge were “ASH HADU ALLA ILA HA ILLALLAH WA ASH HADU ANNA MUHAMADAR RASULULLAH”
I don;t have to tell you people the meaning of it cause you are a grown up boys already.IT ONLY SAYS THAT WE ONLY WORSHIP ALLAH SUBHANAHU WA TAALA AND NEVER DOES IT SAYS THAT WE WORSHIP MUHAMMAD DARASULLAH BUT IT ONLY SAYS THAT WE BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH. Are you STUPID OR WHAT.
You and your like could prabably be the champion of the TRANSLATED AL QUR’AN and whose version that’s depend on you BUT WAS ZERO WITH THE AL QUR’AN PROPER.
DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOULS IN SOME OF THE VERSES OF THE AL QUR’AN AND WHEN YOU READ IT HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF TIMES ,YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE ,FEEL OR HEAR SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE EXPERIENCED BY OTHERS ,BY THE GRACE OF ALLAH SWT .
THIS SOUL DOES NOT EXIST IN ANY OF THE TRANSLATED AL QUR’AN NO MATTER WHO TRANSLATED OR INTERPRETE IT BECAUSE AL QUR’AN IS THE LANGUAGE IN HEAVEN WHEREAS THE INTERPRETED AL QUR’AN IS THE LANGUAGE ON THIS EARTH ONLY.
You and your like a NAIVE AND SO NAIVE ABOUT MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH SAW (PBUH).You do not know him and that is why you people DARE TO BELITTLE HIM AND MAKE A SLANDER OUT OF HIM.You and your like rather beleive in rashad khalifa and his ‘COMPUTER SPEAKS’ RATHER THAN MUHAMMAD SPEAKS.
IT CAN ONLY SHOW ONE THING.EITHER YOU PEOPLE ARE PAID CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES OR AN IDIOT WHO DOES KNOW HOW TO DIFFERINTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL.
If i were a non muslim and i was asked to choose between rashad khalifa (I WOULD RATHER SAID rashad KHILAFA MEANING rashad WHO ALWAYS MAKES MISTAKES),and the one who INVENTED THE COMPUTER OR THE COMPUTER PROGRAMMER TO FOLLOW, I WOULD RATHER AND SINCERELY FOLLOWS THE ONE WHO INVENT THE COMPUTER BECAUSE rashad NEEDS A COMPUTER TO PROVE HUS SO CALLED MIRACLE and without the computer he couldn’t prove anything and was JUST ANOTHER IDIOT. AM I WRONG?.
MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH SAW DOES NOT NEED A COMPUTER TO PROVE THE NUMBER OF MIRACLES BESTOWED UPON HIM BY ALLAH SWT BECAUSE HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE TO BE THE LAST PROPHET AND THE LAST MESENGGER OF ALLAH SWT .You and your like always argue that MUHAMMAD SAW (PBUH ) WAS NOT THE LAST MESSENGER .IT IS BEACUSE YOU PEOPLE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE INITIALS IN THE AL QUR’AN.You only understand the translated AL QUR’AN .
FOR SOMEBODY TO READ THE AL QUR’AN PROPER HE MUST BE A MUSLIM AND MUST GO THROUGH THE FIRST INTIALS IN THE AL QUR’AN THAT IA “ALIF LAM MIM” .IF YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE INITIALS IN THE AL QUR’AN THAN WILL YOU REALISED THAT SO MANY TIMES IN THE AL QUR;AN HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT MUHAMMAD RASULLLAH SAW WAS TRHE LAST PROPHET AND THE LAST MESSENGER OF ISLAM.
YOU PEOPLE KEEP ARGUING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU DON’T KNOW.
I TELL YOU WHAT.IN ISLAM THERE ARE TWO KIND OF KNOWLEDGE.ONE IS CALLED “SEARCHING”(PENCARIAN) THAT MEANS YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THIS WORLD TO SEEK FOR KNOWLEDGE IN ISLAM THAT YOU WANTED TO KNOW.NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST.YOU WILL FIND SOMETHING THAT SUITS YOU AND YOUR CAPABILITY OF UNDERSTANDING AND INTERPRETE IT ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL AND NOBODY CAN STOP YOU.
THE OTHER ONES IS BEING CALLED “BEING GIVEN” (PEMBERIAN)THAT MEANS BY THE GRACE OF ALLAH SWT YOU WILL MEET SOMEBODY UNKNOWN TO THE COMMUNITY OR COMMUNITIES AND PROBABLY LOOK INSANE IN THE EYES OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY TEND TO IGNORE HIM AND FROM HIM YOU COULD LEARN THE TRUE SECRETS OF ISLAM AND WHO MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH SAW IS AND I BET YOU HE WOULDN’T KNOW or wouldn’t even wanted to know WHO rashad KHILAFA IS.You can understand what is the meaning of all those INITIALS IN THE HOLY AL QUR’AN.
You do not know baout MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH SAW AND YET YOU AND YOUR LIKE MAKES A MOCKERY OUT OF HIM.IS IT FAIR?
You said there is no compulsion in religion.NO YOU’RE WRONG.THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN EMBRACING ISLAM BUT ONCE YOU’RE MUSLIM YOU HAVE TO ABIDE TO THE RULES AND REGULATION IN ISLAM.DON’T TELL ME THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ALL THESE THINGS.
IF YOU WANT TO BE WITH YOUR RELIGION AND rashad KHILAFA .SO BE IT AND THAT DOES NOT MEANS THAT YOU AND YOUR LIKES CAN INSULT US THE MAINSTREAM MUSLIM BY MAKING A MOCKERY AND SLANDER ABOUT MUHAMMAD.DON’T TRY TO SHOW YOURSELF AS INTELLECTUALS IN ISLAM BECAUSE TO ME, YOU AND YOUR LIKE ARE NOTHING THAN AN IDIOT INTELLECTUALS AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERN AND DON’T TALK ABOUT ONLY THE SINCERE,ONLY THE CHOSEN ONES,ONLY THE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND BLA BLA BLA.JUST CUT THOSE CRAP.
IF YOU AND YOUR LIKE STIIL THINK YOU’RE SO GOOD AND KNOWLEDGEABLE PLEASE INTERPRETE THE INITILS “ALIF LAM MIM” FOR ME AND LETS SEE HOW SMART YOU PEOPLE ARE AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO CUT N PASTE ON OTHER INTERPRETATION.BE AWARE OTHERS ARE READING THIS MY CHALLANGE TO YOU AND YOUR LIKE.IF YOU CAN’T ,THAN JUST BE QUIET FOR TEH REST OF THE PERIOD AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.I DON’T MEAN TO BE BOASTING BECAUSE IN THE EYES OF ALLAH SWT I’M JUST A DUST AND SOMEBODY WHO ARE STILL STRUGGLING TO BEG MERCY FROM ALLAH SWT SHOULD I TEND TO BE ARROGANT IN MY EXPLAINATION.I ONLY TRY TO EXPLAIN BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG WITHIN MY CAPABILITIES OF UNDERSTANDING.I DON’T JUDGE PEOPLE.ONLY EXPLAIN.EVEN I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WOULD BECOMING OF ME.
SAUDARAKU WAJAPERAK,PROF RIDCULLY DAN LAIN LAIN NYA.TERUSKLAN PERJUANGAN SAUDARA.YANG HAQ TETAP HAQ YANG BATIL TETAP BATIL.
SEMUGA AYAHANDA DAN BONDA SITI HASMAH SENTIASA BERADA DI DALAM LINDUNGAN RAHMAT ALLAH SWT.
WASSALAM
ALIF LAM MIM
Dengan izin Tun,
shaikino,
Please take time to read my comment carefully.
Part 1
You said, “I have expected either one of you to raise this particular question about this date number 27th of Ramadan where in the Quran never mention the date 27th of Ramadan in the message….’
Please answer my question.
You have written an overly long passage on Laylatul Qadr. I asked you a question about Isra’ and Mikraj, but your answer has to do with Laylatul Qadr.
Do you know the difference between Laylatul Qadr (Night of Decree) and Isra’ and Mikraj?
The initial question about the Mikraj was asked by wajaperak. Do you remember shaikino?
Again, how did you get the exact date as “On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H.” when the months of the calendar was not fixed yet through the Quran?
At any rate you’re quite confident that Laylayul Qadr occurs on the night of 27 Ramadan based on mathematics:
“It is interesting to see that God mentioned “Laylat Al Qadr” (
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun..Ribuan Terima Kasih..
Shaikino
[[I have expected either one of you to raise this particular question about this date number 27th of Ramadan where in the Quran never mention the date 27th of Ramadan in the message but it is the Mathematical Miracle Code that revealed the detail of the date through the computer]]
And please do tell the methodology of this “Mathematical Miracle Code”..It is something like this?..
The following example assigns values to the array and displays all values in a message box :
Option Base 1
Sub assignArray( )
Dim Arr(5)
Arr(1) =
Peace,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
prof_ridcully & wajaperak
I need to remind both of you and to the readers of this blog, however to verify the truth as God commanded us in the Quran and never accept any information including ours without verification.
The differences between us, me as Submitters (Muslims) who uphold God absolute authority by upholding His only source (Quran) and you as Muslims who uphold Quran and Hadith which attributed toward prophet Muhammad.. Both of you like to put accusation and lies toward me and my comrades.
Both of you make all sorts of lies and accusation without proof of verification. Both of you might get the information from peoples to peoples or from the internet where peoples can frame each others. Since God had pointed out the verse in the scripture to us:
[49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.
[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself.I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Both of you think that you are doing good with your counter rebuttal of accusation.
18:104] “They are the ones whose works in this life are totally astray, but they think that they are doing good.”
Both of you think that you
To: shaikino
Aku hanya ingin memberi sedikit pandangan dan gambaran sahaja…bukan nasihat….hehe…..
Setelah aku meneliti keterangan-keterangan yg engkau berikan kpd sahabat Waja dan juga Proff…aku mendapati terlalu banyak percanggahan dari segi sudut pengetahuan…..
Pandangan…aku…apa salahnya kita mengikuti salah satu mazhab..cth…Mazhab Iman Shafie….bukankah dari mazhab itu menunjukkan kita boleh bersatu dlm mengerjakan suruhan tuhan…jadi apa salahnya…adakah tuhan akan marah kpd kita kerana kita bersatu dlm mengerjakan sembahyang.dan ianya juga mendatangkan kebaikan …supaya anak-anak kita boleh belajar dgn mudah malah berdisplin dlm mengerjakan suruhan tuhan….
Dan mengenai Hadis…..bukanlah semua hadis patut kita tolak…ada juga hadis yg boleh memberi kita pengetahuan…asalkan ayat-ayat yg terdapat didalamnya tidak bercanggah dgn Al-Quran….apa salahnya kita mengikutinya….
Dan yg terakhir…..apa salahnya sebagai umat islam kita menjauhi diri kita dari babi..atau apa-apa yg berkaitan dgn babi…..bukankah babi itu pengotor…hehe….org yahudi tak boleh mkn lemak babi…org islam tak boleh mkn daging babi…..sebagai seorag islam salah ker kita menjauhinya….hehe…..
Assallammualaikum Tun dan Moderator..
Semoga meresap masuk dan menusuk kalbu Tun dan moderator untuk mempertahankan Islam..Jika tidak..
sudi izinkan kami masuk dan mempertahankan Islam di blog kepunyaan Tuan ini..:((
To: shaikino
Islam is about faith.Only your logic defies the faith.Again..what is the meaning of real faith??
[[As I said earlier, that the way we grasp the message from God divine source Quran differently. Only the sincere can access to it and the disbeliever are block from understanding it]]
Term and definition.To George Bush, Muslim is terrorist.To us, he is.To shaikino he is the sincere one.To us he is the diabolical one.
[[This verse 17:46 clearly mentioned like I am preaching my Lord by using the Quran alone, you dislike it, mock and put all kind of accusation]]
On the contrary.Prof_Ridcully and I always frequented the real mosque and it’s population.Here we exchange thought’s about Islam in real time.We interact in real time with real muslim people.You by contrast a coward who only shot Islam from cyberspace and by virtue of Tun and moderator who allows you and sometimes does not allows us.That is sheer hipocrisy if you ask me..
Prof_Ridcully and Ahli Sunnah Wal Jamaah agrees that “you are the deluded charlatan”.Charlatan peddles in the street.You in cyberspace.Charlatan is brave in facing the authorities..
You who peddles this ideas are notably coward!!
[[Did God give you the authority regarding the translations to select and to condemn as you wish? Do you know better than God in term of His own divine source Quran or are you just following your own opinion? The translators himself translated the Quran upon his own best knowledge
Regarding quality of scientists here – Isn
Dengan izin Tun,
shaikino
I’ll make this short and simple.
You said, prof_ridcully your Five Pillars of Islam:
Your first pillar: 1. The Shahadah which means, “There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”
What a blasphemy fabricated lie from your mahzab that you follow? Muhammad was dead since 1400 year ago. Can a dead messenger still be a messenger? Absolutely the title of the messenger is gone.
And regarding a dead Rashad Khalifa as a “messenger of the covenant” is not blasphemy?
As I understand it Khalifa who predicted the time of the end of the world [and thus the end of the lives of billions of human beings] couldn’t predict his own death. Can a dead “messenger” like Khalifa who had a molest charge over his head still be regarded as a “messenger of the covenant” shaikino?
prof_ridcully: Is Dr. Rashad Khalifa without qualification or are you without qualification?
I said very early on I’m not an ulama [and neither was Khalifa] but then again unlike Khalifa I didn’t translate the Quran. I didn’t claim to ascend to heaven in body in the 1970’s to meet Sayyidina Ibrahim ع
Peace,
In The Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
wajaperak & prof_ridcully:
I have expected either one of you to raise this particular question about this date number 27th of Ramadan where in the Quran never mention the date 27th of Ramadan in the message but it is the Mathematical Miracle Code that revealed the detail of the date through the computer.
What God had said is the truth:
[10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
The only one who can grasp the message and the miracle (Mathematical) is a sincere believer who are close to God:
[56:79] None can grasp it except the sincere.*
[83:18] Indeed, the book of the righteous will be in `Elleyyeen.
[83:19] Do you know what `Elleyyeen is?
[83:20] A numerically structured book.
[83:21] To be witnessed by those close to Me.
Although the Night of Power falls on the 27th night of Ramadan, the followers of satanic innovations are never sure about it. They have their own books to follow beside the Quran a.k.a. hadiths (sayings attributed to the prophet). In one of them, Sahih Bukhary, it is claimed that the prophet and his companions knew the precise night, but later God caused it to be forgotten. In still another hadith, it is reported that the “Night of Power” keeps changing from one year to another, whatever this means.
True Submitters (Muslims) always trust their Lord, and are confident that He will never deceive them. When God Almighty informs us in His most authentic Hadith (Quran) that:
[6:38]
salam tun,
semoga sihat wala’fiat.
perbicangan di atas amat menarik kerana selama ini kita di ajar untuk patuh bukan berfikir untuk memileh.tetapi apabila pilehan terbuka melalui pembacaan dan penghayatan terdapat berbagai tentangan khususnya dari orang yang mengajar kita patuh tanpa berfikir.pilehan kebendaan dunia boleh di terima tetapi pilehan akidah tidak boleh kita bertolak ansur kerana itu soal hidup berkekalan sesudah mati.
Dengan izin Tun
Tumpang lalu wajaperak,
shaikino
You said, “On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H. (Before Hijerah), Muhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him.”
You’re very precise with the date of the Isra and Mikraj. Interesting. Where did you get the date from? Did a computer program calculate it for you?
You are aware, of course, that before the Hijrah the Mekkan Arabs used a calendar that had intercalary years — they inserted a 13th month into the year every three years or so in order to make the year fit the seasons basically to make the [pagan] pilgrimage season occur after the harvesting season. This is something like a leap year in the Gregorian calendar although of course only a day is added in a leap year; but the principle is the same. Before Islam, the pagan Quraish were custodians of the Ka’bah and its idols and their economic wellbeing depended on this.
The Muslim calendar was clarified only by this verse in Surah at-Taubah (Surah 9:36) which was revealed in Madinah ie after the Hijrah.
Muslim scholars and historians say the Isra’ and Mikraj occurred about 12 to 16 months before the Hijrah and that Prophet Muhammad ص
Peace
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
To: prof_ridcully
You may call yourself Muslim and everybody by birth from their parent whose religion is Islam is a Muslim but many of them don
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun..
Shaikino..
You really disappointed me..:((
When two party of muslim greet’s each other..they supposed to use the above greeting’s..
Allah berfirman:
Salam tok det….
Saja singgah tengok apa yg terjadi….hehe….
Al-Baqarah
Dan orang-orang Yahudi berkata:
Sir I would completly agree with you. Muslim thinkers and scientist contributed to mankinds knowledge, Europe has a huge debt of gratitute as Plato Socrates and other Greek though reached Europe Via Muslim Spain wirh jewish assistance.
I would als0 like to point out that Islam and modernity are entirely compatabile .To me Islam does not preach the adoption of the status quo, in fact Islam requires thatMuslims seek change and make change happen , the stress here is on action and participation , not passive acceptance and performance of given worships only . The acceptanc eof stsus quo is definately not the teachings of the Koran .
I apologize if my comments hurt some feelings
Peace,
Wajaperak,
On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H. (Before Hijerah), Muhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him.
[2:97] Say, “Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this (Quran) into your heart, in accordance with GOD’s will, confirming previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers.”
[17:1] Most glorified is the One who summoned His servant (Muhammad) during the night, from the Sacred Masjid (of Mecca) to the farthest place of prostration,* whose surroundings we have blessed, in order to show him some of our signs. He is the Hearer, the Seer.
[44:3] We have sent it down in a blessed night, for we are to warn.
[53:1] As the stars fell away.*
[53:2] Your friend (Muhammad) was not astray, nor was he deceived.
[53:3] Nor was he speaking out of a personal desire.
[53:4] It was divine inspiration.
[53:5] Dictated by the Most Powerful.
[53:6] Possessor of all authority. From His highest height.
[53:7] At the highest horizon.
[53:8] He drew nearer by moving down.
[53:9] Until He became as close as possible.
[53:10] He then revealed to His servant what was to be revealed.
[53:11] The mind never made up what it saw.
[53:12] Are you doubting what he saw?
[53:13] He saw him in another descent.
[53:14] At the ultimate point.
[53:15] Where the eternal Paradise is located.
[53:16] The whole place was overwhelmed.
[53:17] The eyes did not waver, nor go blind.
[53:18] He saw great signs of his Lord.
[97:1] We revealed it in the Night of Destiny.*
[97:2] How awesome is the Night of Destiny!
[97:3] The Night of Destiny is better than a thousand months.
[97:4] The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by their Lord’s leave, to carry out every command.
[97:5] Peaceful it is until the advent of the dawn.
Subsequently, the angel Gabriel helped Muhammad release a few verses of the Quran at a time, from the soul to Muhammad’s memory. The Prophet wrote down and memorized the verses just released into his mind.
When the Prophet died, he left the complete Quran written down with his own hand in the chronological order of revelation, along with specific instructions as to where to place every verse. The divine instructions recorded by the Prophet were designed to put the Quran together into the final format intended for God’s Final Testament to the world:
[75:17] It is we who will collect it into Quran.
God Bless
Shaikino
Dengan izin Tun,
shaikino
I am a Muslim and my religion is called Islam.
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Semoga di izinkan dan mendapat perkenan Tun..
Allow me Prof_Ridcully..
Shaikino..
As the comrades of his fraternity I will aks you a simple question..
How..and how did Rasullah s.a.w performed Mikraj?
No need’s for lengthy rebuttal..This will do..
Terima kasih Tun..
Salam Tun. Thanks for enlightening thoughts. At least now I have good reasons to convince my students why the should master the English language.
Peace,
To: prof_riduclly
The differences between us are that the way we grasp and understand the messages from the divine source in the Quran. So no matter how much proofs I input the messages from the Quran, you and your comrades will against it. This is what you had branded me and my comrades as anti-Hadiths and also further accused us as ajaran songsang, as what you think that a Muslim cannot reject the Hadith or Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad ( ص
Dear YAB Tun, salam mesra harap sihat. Minta izin membalas sebuah ulasan dgn izin…
Pada sdr ‘Zulkiflee Bin Arip’ on February 12, 2010 10:17 PM
………..SEBAR PENDAPAT ATAU HUKUM
Yg menyibar hukum agama dialu alukan. Hukum asas tak minta diubah. Tapi yg nak menghukum cara penghayatan agama sesama ummah? Jenis ini yg saya sebut blogger ulama. Kuasa sebar dan sebat dia nak bolot.
……….TERPESONG DAN TAKSUB
Ajaran sesat dan jelas memesong tak sama dgn ajaran fanatik dan taksub.
……….KALIS HINA?
Penganut agama lain pun bangun membela agama mrk jika dihina tapi bukan dgn merusuh, merosak, membakar, membunuh.
……….MELEKEH
Isu melekeh perkataan agama terpulang pada pendedahan dan persekitaran sebuah masyarakat. Perkataan melekeh di sebuah negara tak jadi isu di negara lain (contoh Allah di Indonesia). Anak di bandar bercakap dgn orang tua tak sama dgn di desa. Mrk biadap tak bersopan?
Ilmu (agama) buat bekal hidup bukan buat bekal hukum. Cuba elak dari memperkecil agama orang bila menegak agama sendiri! Yg kamu nampak dan sebut dlm hujah, penganut yg tak betul bukan agama itu sendiri.
Very nice blog! Well explained. Islam and science have a very close relationship. Thank you for the information. It is proving very helpful.
Semoga mendapat perkenan dan keizinan Tun..
Shakino
Peace,
I indeed have no business here since this directed to only our esteemed and beloved Prof_Ridcully,but I cannot helped myself..So please forgive me..
[[You are actually contradicted with all the translators that you gave me. It shows that you are actually fabricated your own opinion from the messages of the Quran and yet telling me to get a good translation of al-Quran with parallel Arabic and English text, and understand the verse above and the Quran]]
Aha..you saw it in other’s but not your goodselves?..Just show the difference,and evidence in saying the good Prof_Ridcully fabricates but me shaikino..I absolves myself from this..hmmm..just how do you do it??
[[For all their disagreements, the scholars of the Ahli Sunnah wal Jama’ah, who hold to one of the four madhhabs, do not argue on these matters. In fact they enabled Muslims to practice their religion well. The problems began when some Muslims followed certain scholars, whose scholarship were not up to par compared to the Imams of the madhhabs but who imagined that they were equal in scholarship to them nonetheless, and differed from those of the Ahli Sunnah wal Jama’ah.]]
I agrees with you.
[[You can make critics on your comrades and branded three of us (The Hidden Secret, Shaikino,
Dengan izin Tun,
Shaikino
Khalifa said this, As stated in 3:81, and in Appendix 2, God has sent a messenger to consolidate the messages delivered by all the prophets, purify them, and unify them into one religion: Submission. The timing is certainly
ripe for fulfillment of this important prophecy, for the following reasons:
1. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have been corrupted beyond recognition….
He also said this, “If Muhammad came back to this world, the “Muslims” would stone him to death. The religion they follow today has nothing to do with the Islam preached by Abraham and Muhammad. Everything the “Muslims” do is wrong: the First Pillar (Shahaadah), the call to Salat prayer (Azan), the ablution (Wudu), the daily Salat prayers, the Zakat charity, Hajj, and all other practices of Islam (see Appendices 2, 13, & 15).”
And worse of all is this, “Few years before his death, Dr. Khalifa declared that he is the Messenger of the Covenant, prophesied in the Quran in 3:81. He presented a lengthy document with proofs of his messengership from the Quran. He defended the fact that the Prophet Muhammed was the LAST Prophet according to the Quran but not the LAST messenger.” [From the Submission website]
I didn’t twist my words. Khalifa claimed himself as the last Messenger. That’s why I said I wont argue with you on the semantics of the word “messenger.” You’ll qualify the use of the word with phrases like “the covenant” when you know very well Khalifa meant “Rasul” especially when referring to al-Ahzab Verse 40 (Surah 33:40).
Al-Ahzab, V 40 : Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. [Yusuf Ali]
This is Ibn Kathir’s commentary on the above: This Ayah clearly states that there will be no Prophet after him. If there will be no Prophet after him then there will surely be no Messenger after him either, because the status of a Messenger is higher than that of a Prophet, for every Messenger is a Prophet but the reverse is not the case.
You are right when you said,:“The problems began when some Muslims followed certain scholars, whose scholarship were not up to par compared to the Imams of the madhhabs but who imagined that they were equal in scholarship to them nonetheless, and differed from those of the Ahli Sunnah wal Jama’ah.”
Khalifa was one of them who imagined he was equal to people like the Imam Mazhabs, Ibn Kathir, Imam al-Ghazali.
Finally: [109:6] “To you is your religion, and to me is my religion.”
This refers to people who follow other religions and do not use the Quran, unlike Khalifa and his ilk.
Ibn Kathir: (They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the guidance from their Lord!) (53:23) Therefore, the disavowal is from all of what they are involved. For certainly the worshipper must have a god whom he worships and set acts of worship that he follows to get to him. So the Messenger and his followers worship Allah according to what He has legislated. This is why the statement of Islam is “There is no God worthy of being worshipped except Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” This means that there is no (true) object of worship except Allah and there is no path to Him (i.e., way of worshipping Him) other than that which the Messenger came with. The idolators worship other than Allah, with acts of worship that Allah has not allowed.
You said, “From your comments criticism, show that your ego is too high, your eyes are blind to the messages, your mind are sealed from understanding the messages.”
I have given you links to authoritative sites on the Quran, translations of the Quran and the commentary of the Quran and yet you still stick to Khalifa’s translation. Who is egoistic and whose mind is sealed, Shaikino? Yours or mine?
You also said, “The religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is really simple — one only has to do five things: profess the Shahadah, say salat, pay zakat, fast and, if able, do the Haj to attain salvation. The Prophet showed the Muslims of Madinah how to do those things through his example or Sunnah.”
That is exactly it. You contradict yourself. You follow Khalifa who rejected the Hadith and yet you say the above.
A Muslim cannot reject the Hadith or Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad ( ص
Peace,
To: prof_ridcully
Your accusation on Rashad Khalifa was that he claimed was the final messenger, whereas, when I asked you to prove your claimed from the website, you never prove any evidences at all.
Your answering was
Salam TUN,
Hope find you well while you read this comment. Below is one good article to share you about your view about ‘READ’ as the first verse revealed to Prophet saw. >>
The first verse in Surah Iqra was the first verse revealed to the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w while the Prophet was meditating in the cave. The verse has the approximate meaning
Dengan izin Yun,
shaikino
You asked, “Can you (prof_ridcully) verify your claim that Muhammad was the final messenger and prophet of God?
Gladly.
Peace,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
To: prof_ridcully
Please prove to me the website that Rashad Khalifa had said that he was the
Semoga mendapat Izin dan perkenan Tun..
[[The Hidden Secret]]
I never refer to a single hadith when I wrote about Muhammad
Peace Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE OMNISCIENT.
1. I never refer to a single hadith when I wrote about Muhammad
Dengan izin Tun,
tolokminda
Terima kasih kerana sudi menjawab soalan saya. Saya hanya ingin tahu pendirian anda.
Tak ada masalah jika anda anti-Hadith macam Kassim Ahmad. Kita boleh bincang sini — jika diizinkan Tun.
Mungkin itu sebabnya laman anda tidak ada pautan kepada laman yang membincangkan Hadith Rasulullah Salallahu Alayhi wa Salaam.
Dengan izin Tun,
The Hidden Secret
You said, “The website which prof_ridcully referred below has a WRONG statistic for the word
Salam Tun, saya minta laluan menjawab prof_ridcully,
Salam,
Terima kasih kerana telah melawati blog belajar saya http://tolokminda.wordpress.com
Tentang dua busur panah itu, saya telah mengemukakan hujah-hujah saya dan jika tuan dapati ia tidak selaras dengan sumber tuan, terpulanglah kepada tuan. Kita semua ada akses kepada Al-Quran dan masin-masing boleh memeriksanya sendiri.
Begitu juga dengan artikel-artikel lain, semuanya ada di sana dengan hujah-hujahnya sekali. Malah orang lain turut memberi pendapat mereka juga dalam ruangan komen yang disediakan. Saya tidak membendung komen sesiapa.
Tentulah tidak sesuai kita berbincang tentang apa yang terkandung dalam blog saya di dalam blog Tun. Jadi saya jemput tuan sertai perbincangan berkaitan artikel-artikel yang tuan rujuk itu di blog saya.
Adakah saya anti hadis? Tidak. Saya tidak anti apa-apa. Cuma, saya mengambil Al-Quran berbanding hadis untuk menetapkan pendirian saya dalam hidup kerana saya percaya itulah satu-satunya Kitab pedoman yang Tuhan telah maksudkan untuk saya.
Terima kasih Tun.
Semiga mendapat perkenan dan keizinan Tun..
[[The Hidden Secret]]
What I have written earlier was not derived from any hadith]]
Term and definition
Hadith (Arabic: ا
Salam,
Attention: prof_ridcully,
Can you give me your email, so I can respond to what you had said. We deal one to one.
God Bless,
Shaikino
Peace Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE BEST DESIGNER.
Please be informed that :-
1. What I have written earlier was not derived from any hadith. I would appreciate if Wajaperak could help to provide ALL RELEVANT HADITHS which he claimed that I have referred to in quoting about Muhammad’s life at the early stage. Histories which we learned might or might not be true. However, the Quran clearly mentioned the importance of literacy. Muhammad who received the Quran will of course understand the important of literacy as mentioned in the Quran in [2:180] – writing a will, [2:282] – writing down financial transactions, [96:1] and [96:3]. The reason why I use history is because… I have referred to the Quranic verses above but Muslims still fail to understand that Muhammad understood the importance of literacy and he will never die as an illiterate person. Muslims fail to understand that GOD never commanded Muhammad to become an illiterate person but GOD did mention in the Quran the important of reading and writing in [2:180], [2:282], [96:1], [96:3], [73:4] and [17:106].
How will Muhammad read the Quran if he was illiterate?
[73:4] Or a little more. And READ THE QURAN from cover to cover.
[73:5] We will give you a heavy message.
How will Muhammad read the Quran to his people if he was illiterate?
[17:106] A Quran that we have released slowly, in order FOR YOU TO READ IT TO THE PEOPLE over a long period, although we sent it down all at once.
2. We never use any hadith as a RELIGIOUS SOURCE OF LAW/JURISPRUDENCE as QURAN IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF RELIGIOUS LAW/JURISPRUDENCE. However, we do refer to hadith as a SOURCE OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION which might explain certain events, not as a source of religious law/jurisprudence. However, the hadith is still subject to whether it contradicts with the Quran or not.
3. I also would like to repeat, for those who are unhappy with our writings, there is nothing you can do because you are not the owner of this blog. As such, you have to understand and accept the fact that you have no authority in stopping us from giving our comments in this blog. Tun is the only person who has the authority to do so. As such, we will continue to give our comments and we leave it Tun
Dengan izin Tun,
tolokminda
Maaf menyampuk, tetapi saya terbaca apa yang anda nyatakan kepada wajaperak mengenai “jarak dua busur panah” yang beliau petik dari Surah an-Najm (Surah 53:9) [Pautan kepada laman IIUM]
Saya bukan ulamak tetapi saya rasa wajaperak betul dengan pendapat beliau yang frasa “jarak dua busur panah” itu merujuk kepada Nabi Muhammad (saw) dan Jibrail (as).
Mengikut Tafsir Ibn Kathir (rh) [pautan kepada laman Tafsir Ibn Kathir] surah ini menunjukkan yang Rasulullah (saw) menyatakan hanya apa yang Baginda (saw) dapati dari, atau disampaikan oleh, Jibril (as), dan kedua-duanya makhluk yang taat lagi jujur.
Inilah konteks frasa “jarak dua busur panah” digunakan.
Seperkara lagi, saya tertarik dengan entri blog anda di mana anda menyoal samada, “Bersunat: amalan Islam atau Kristian?” dan, “Benarkah babi haram?”.
Saya rasa tidak salah kalau orang Islam bertanya soalan-soalan tersebut dengan ikhlas agar mendapat kepastian, tetapi lain jadinya jika seorang macam anda menampilkan soalan-soalan tersebut diblognya hanya untuk mengelirukan orang Islam lain.
Walau apa pun:
1. Ya, bersunat (berkhitan) ialah amalan orang Islam dan dahulunya diwajibkan bagi orang Kristian awal sebelum ianya dihentikan oleh Saul/Paul of Tarsus (St Paul).
2. Ya, babi dan barangan derivatif dari haiwan tersebut haram bagi orang Islam.
Juga entri anda mengenai “Ka’aba bukan objek tumpuan sembahan tetapi ia bermaksud buku lali’
Ka’bah ا
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun..
“The Hidden Secret”
Just where do you get this ‘beyond reproach’ material??
2. Muhammad belonged to the Banu Hashim, one of a PROMINENT family in Mecca. He was raised by his grandfather, Abdul Muttalib. Abdul Muttalib
Peace Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE SUPREME.
The Arabic word UMMY/UMMIYOON/UMMIYEEN etc. are mentioned in the Quran in [2:78], [3:75], [7:157], [7:158] and [62:2].
Muslims scholars translated these words as illiterate. The correct translation for these words is GENTILE/S which means without scriptures (i.e. without Torah, Gospel, Statue Book etc.).
1. Illiterate people have no ability to distort the scripture as mentioned in [2:77-78]. Illiterate people do not know what and where to distort. You may test this yourself
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahhiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan dari Tun..
[[The Hidden Secret]]
Based on all the comments posted by The Hidden Secret, The key and Shaikino it is clear that they INSIST Muslims to BELIEVE that
Hadith and Sunnah is the principal reason for the Muslim suffered in all thing “civilized”..
The latest is the degradation of Rasullulah s.a.w in guise of accepting certain logic and denying another logic.
[[Remembering is Muhammad’s sunnah while reading and writing are not Muhammad’s sunnah]]
It is pointless to bring Al Quran verses one after another since this “brotherhood of lawyers” are very good in turning and twisting the fact.So..This one verse is sufficient.
Al-Baqarah
[1]
Alif, Laam, Miim.
[2]
Kitab Al-Quran ini, tidak ada sebarang syak padanya (tentang datangnya dari Allah dan tentang sempurnanya); ia pula menjadi petunjuk bagi orang-orang yang (hendak) bertaqwa;
[3]
Iaitu orang-orang yang beriman kepada perkara-perkara yang ghaib
Please illustrate an example of perkara ghaib..
[[Remembering is suffice, no need to read, no need to write until you die (as per Muhammad’s sunnah) as they should follow Muhammad’s so-called sunnah. Am I right Tun?]]
I wish to call your attention to the abovementioned and again please illustrate an example..I honestly calls you and your comrade to seek deeper into Islamic aspect of metaphysic..You see,the faith is something you cannot see but it gave warmth that radiating from inner to outer look and your appearance..If you claimed that hadith,atsar and tradition is irrelevant and thousands sage and ulamak is inferior compared to your own since immemorial,fine..
But again look inside your own heart and see wether they truly have any shine in them..Because Allah knowledge is Nur..
Those who are devoid of Allah light is clearly shown in their heart,radiating to their outer appearance at the countenance and dampen their writing..as such glaring clearly here..at Tun blog..
Terima kasih Tun..
Salam,
Merujuk kepada komen Wajaperak pada February 12, 2010 9:11 AM,
Saya berpendapat kefahaman tuan Wajaperak tentang jarak dua busur panah yang dirujuk kepada Nabi Muhamad dan Jibrail adalah tidak tepat. Ia sebenarnya merujuk jarak di antara Nabi Musa dan Allah yang turun untuk mengajarnya wahyu.
Saya menulis mengenainya di http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/kebergantungan-mutlak-kepada-ulama-mungkin-menyesatkan-kita-terus-ke-neraka/
Saya jemput tuan Wajaperak sama-sama berbincang mengenainya.
Terima kasih.
Mohon izin Tun,
The Hidden Secret, Shaikino and The Key
I’ll repeat what I said earlier.
Will you stop spamming this blog with cut and paste jobs taken from supporters of Khalifa’s site?
If you three want to believe the nonsense spewed by Rashad Khalifa, an Egyptian biochemist who claimed to have gone up to heaven (bodily) in the 20th Century to meet Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him), that’s your choice.
But I urge you to step back and reconsider your choice.
Like I said earlier, Khalifa was a liar who purposely mistranslated the Quran in English to hoodwink incredibly gullible people like you. His so-called computer calculations of the ayat of the Quran and the significance of the figure 19 can be easily refuted.
It took a bit of work, but just a bit, to find an example of his nonsense. Look at Verse 21 Surah ar-Rum (Surah 30:21). [Please note: the Arabic is not in ‘Uthmani script — thus there are no diacritical marks and the ‘dagger alif’ found in the ‘Uthmani script is not rendered]
Semoga di izinkan Tun..
“THE KEY”
[[MUHAMMAD WROTE GOD’S REVELATIONS WITH HIS OWN HAND]]
He did not..Never was..He commanded Zaid Ibn Thabit of this task..Penulis wahyu..
Why..In the court there is a clerk who wrote
revelations by the judge??
The judge cannot writes or every body has a tasks of their own??
[[The first revelation was “Read,” and included the statement “God teaches by means of the pen” (96:1-4), and the second revelation was “The Pen” (68:1). The only function of the pen is to write.]]
Your Key can only open up to the Hades!!
Do you know Kalam does not restricted only to the pen?? Kalam la woii..does not restricted to the pen!!..The Hidden Secret please teach your comrades here about arabic true definition of Kalam..
Mengong betui!!!
[[Ignorant Muslim scholars of the first two centuries after the Quran could not understand the Quran’s challenge]]
Yeah..yeah oh you so right “lawyers”..And by saying so..Please follow “The Key” that have mastered the challenges by demonstrating how adept he is in “defining” Kalam..
Masya…rakat..
MasyaAllah..
“The Key”..opens up to the real Islamic definition..Please..
Terima Kasih Tun..
Semoga di izinkan Tun..
[[VhChoo]]
They prefer to memorize the “letter of the Quran” rather than its spirit. They would rather just follow the prophet’s appearence and style (dressing and way of eating) rather than his characteristics (honest and thoughtful)and substance. They want to copy his actions but do not want to debate and understand his reasons because it is too difficult and as such best reserved to the chosen few who may have other agendas in place.]]
Dear sir..with all due respects..this is what westerner or other’s see.The outlook or Islamic appearances.What do you see is the physical aspect of Islam..What you cannot see is the
Metaphysics Islam..
First,human capabilities differs from one another.Some who only have the ability of your abovementioned were called “abid”.They provides Islam the physical appearance..not that Islam dependent on any physical appearance to be “announced” and “pronounced”..So if this abid strays..they gives Islam the bad name..Most Islamic critics does not realized that Islam is critical about “abid” themselves!!
Second..The alim..The knowledgable one.Tun is living example of “ulamak”..What most people does not realizes,the terms ulamak does not confines only to the religious nature alone.Those who excell in his fields like Prof_Ridcully and Tun is ulamak in their respective field..The learned and knowledgable..
And you find the posting utmost interesting if you see it from one version of truth..
Vhchoo..In the methaphysics of Islamic principles..There is seven version of truth..
There is the 6 truth but not applicable and only one that truly viable or the 7 truth can be viable on their own!!..
So..let’s us learn and be an ulamak of our own without the announced title and pronounced title..Of course!!..
Terima kasih Tun..
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapat keizinan Tun..
[[Shaikino]]
You know..I am not a lawyer but that does not mean I cannot win cases in court.In civil court nevertheless, the judge will insist..dear old man..can you appoint a lawyer?..If not one can be appointed on your behalf..Of course..the cost will be borne by you..
Why?
Because the judge believes that I might be conned and duped by an established and prominet lawyers about term and definition..Thus will lead to my destruction eventhough I am the injured,opressed party by being defendant..
So..In the court..the judge will decides argument base on the merit of
the argument in law terminologies..instead of the truth and the only truth..
Meaning..you are an easy meat in front of established lawyers..The wrong can be righted where the lawyers put the “truth” in their argument against mine who does not know how to proves it evidence and factual base according to the law “terminologies”..
I can be victimised in the court by being ignorant of the terminology and definition..instead of being wrong!!
But in Islam..no such avenue “available” for the established lawyers..In the court, they can twisted the fact and put the truth in their argument instead respecting the truth as it should be.Lawyers of this natures believe their client is right.They studied the case thorougly.If they finds any evidence that their client is wrong and guilty,they will finds the way to make it “winnable”..If the saw that the odd is insormountable..only then the “cease” and “decease”..
Point in contention..There is a lot of lawyers here in Tun blogs that pretends that their case is “winnable” where Islam is concerned..
They in the name of “The Hidden Secret”,”The Key” and “Shaikinio” tries very hard to pull the wools over our eyes..They ridiculed Al Quran but qouted them in earnest to play the gallery of the “established lawyers”..Of “pure” muslim proponent..
So..you see their argument is very enticing..But for the life of me of not being lawyers to counter them is very tiring.So the next time this “lawyers” arguing their cases, I only kill the “leader” of the pack.There is the leader of the pack in every argument..
In this case of pack of lies..I will sniped and shoot down only this part..The rest of their argument will fall to smithereens..
Countering this lies
[[It has been part of the Muslim
Assalamualaikum TDM dan pelayar blog ini
Is it true that Al Quran is a word from Allah. The answer is YES. Browse Dr. Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat on Youtube and learn more about it. Islam is not just hudud and jihad is not going to war. Read topics like 1) Is Al Quran a word of god 2) is jesus christ god 3) Al Quran and modern science, 4) Misconceptions about islam, and many more forums by these two stalwarts.
Terima kasih TDM and semoga panjang umur.
Salam Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF THE MOST GRACIOUS.
Based on all the comments posted, it is clear that the Muslims INSIST TO BELIEVE that :-
1. For 23 years, Muhammad never took the initiative, never bother, never care to learn how to read and write. This was Muhammad’s so called sunnah ie. to remain as an illiterate person until he died… no need to learn to read and write as it is not important at all.
2. It is suffice to remember without documenting important knowledge as this was the so-called sunnah of Muhammad… This was Muhammad practiced. Remembering is Muhammad’s sunnah while reading and writing are not Muhammad’s sunnah.
3. Muhammad died as an illiterate person and he did not know the actual content of the letters/correspondences he signed and sent. Imagine a leader like Tun who does not know the actual content of the letters/correspondences he signed and then send the letters/correspondences to Lee Kwan Yew.
4. His wife Khadija appointed an illiterate person who does not know how to count and to prepare contract documents to run her business. Imagine Tun appointed an illiterate person to run Proton. Tun, will you do that?
As such, now we all know why the Muslims are left behind… the so-called Muhammad’s sunnah which they follow teaches them that… From now and onwards, the Muslims should stop teaching their children to read and write. Remembering is suffice, no need to read, no need to write until you die (as per Muhammad’s sunnah) as they should follow Muhammad’s so-called sunnah. Am I right Tun?
GOD bless.
Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,
1. saya ingin perbetulkan sedikit entri saya pada 10.2, jam 1pm. Bukan al-Mawardi, tapi Ibn Khaldun, dan bukunya ialah Muqadimmah.
2. wajaperak : boleh kita berkomunikasi? e mel saya ialah [email protected].
sekian.
Maka perlunya pelajaran ilmu hisap,sains,dan sebagainya
perlajaran sekolah perlu bahasa english.
Zaman sekarang,ilmu keduniaan banyak yg dipelajari dari orang English.Zaman gemilang Islam masih diperjuangkan.
Anak Melaysia perlu belajar bahasa english,disinilah tumbuhnya ilmu keduniaan sekarang.Nak Akhirat belajar AlQuran,belajar di University Islam.
Nak utamakan bahasa Melayu,takada pelajaran terbukti yg membina.
Dalam pembangunan,perubatan,ekonomi,engineering atau sebagainya takada dalam istillah ilmu melayu.
Kalau fasal Bomoh bomoh,berlagak,nak beristeri isteri luar dari kemampuan tu,adalah.
Kalaulah ilmu bomoh ini menjadi.
Saya syorkan Bomoh bomoh Malaysia,kita satukan telur telur mereka dan hantar satu telur yg amat besar ke US,dan Israel.
Zaman ni jangan masukan Jarum,kita masukan Paku.
Namun bahasa Ibunda perlu disangjung.
Mahasiswa yg tidak berkobolihan berbahasa english akan ketinggalan dalam dunia economi sekarang.
Assalamualaikum, Tun. I always like history but its often not complete. Always with different opinion from other religion or loss trace document or only a myth. I always dream when I died if i go to heaven i really hope to find a book of complete history from every direction or anyone and truth details. Sorry my comment always seem childish. I’m 20.
Tun,
I find the comments to your latest commentary extremely interesting and it may help explain the reason and fear of some muslims towards science. I noticed that the part that needled most of your conservative muslim commentators is your point that the great prophet was illiterate. It is taken as a possible insult when it is meant as an encouragement for his followers to emulate his thirst of knowledge and curiousity. The prophet and his early followers (much like the europeans of the renaissnace era) were very observant and curious people. They challenged themselves to explain the wonders of the almighty. They questioned why and how instead of just leaving it to Allah’s will. This is a characteristic and behavior that the Muslims have failed to adhere to because it is too difficult and it does not fit their view of power and political structure. They prefer to memorize the “letter of the Quran” rather than its spirit. They would rather just follow the prophet’s appearence and style (dressing and way of eating) rather than his characteristics (honest and thoughtful)and substance. They want to copy his actions but do not want to debate and understand his reasons because it is too difficult and as such best reserved to the chosen few who may have other agendas in place.
Prophet Muhamad was a leader during his time not because he was happy with the status quo or because he happens to be a son of a Sultan or royalty. He was an illiterate orphan, shephard and merchant. However he was curious and discontented with life and the system during the time. He reflected and meditated and with the almighty’s grace and blessing, found islam and a fairer way of life than one that he was born into. After his passing, his early followers debated and build on “his curiousity”. They thought and debated not only the letter but the spirit of the quran and his actions. They pursued knowledge in the spirit and gusto of the prophet and the more they understood, the more they respected the almighty. Sadly this spirit is now missing in the islamic world.
“Tun: (there never was an Islamic empire in the sense of the other Empires – only an Islamic community – the Ummah)”
Saya setuju dengan Tun. Benar, Islam tidak ada empayar. Yang suka bina empayar adalah orang2 yang gila kuasa.
Cuba kita renung pedoman Nabi2 terdahulu dalam Al Quran. Umpamanya Nabi Ibrahim yang sudah tentu juga membawa Islam di zaman baginda. Tetapi apakah Al Quran menceritakan baginda membina empayar.
Begitu juga Nabi Sulaiman, Daud, Musa etc, tidak ada disebut pun dalam Al Quran, mereka membina empayar.
Akibat gila nak bina empayar itulah ada segelintir manusia yang salah faham menjadikan Islam sebagai alasan untuk mereka berebut kuasa.
Salam Tun yang dihormati,
Saya setuju dengan point2 yang Tun kemukakan.
Yang mengecewakan bila ada di kalangan orang Islam hari ini mengatakan sains adalah keduniaan, dan agama adalah akhirat. Mereka memisahkan kepentingan sains dalam kehidupan.
Apabila ada orang2 yang cuba mengkaji dan meneroka kembali Al Quran mengikut perspektif sains dan logik serta tidak mempercayai membuta-tuli riwayat hadis, mereka labelkan sebagai anti-hadis dan sesat.
Jika macam itulah perangai orang Islam, macam manalah Allah nak izinkan mereka mengubah nasib mereka sendiri?
Dear Tun,
In Islam we know that Allah (GOD) is the creator of this existance. Be it time, physical, spiritual, metaphysics, whatever we want to call it, are all Allah’s creation.
Science is man’s quest for knowledge of this existance. In science we make discoveries and become aware of what is already there in existance as created by Allah.
From these discoveries and awareness are then harnessed by man for our benefit. Allah blesses this faculty of invention and innovativeness which Allah did not for the other creatures.
So lets not be too proud of our achievements…because it is but a drop in the vast ocean of this existence.
That we MUSLIMS knowing, that this existance is Allah’s and therefore that SCIENCE is but an integral part of our existance MUST not shy away from it BUT MUST embrace it for the blessings that ALLAH had given us.
Lets not quarrel why we MUSLIM are the way we are. Lets look forward and see how we can be Allah’s “Model of a people” (a model ummah) on this earth as commended to us by Allah. To be in the forefront of discovering the wonders of this existance as created by ALLAH is our most important SOCIAL Duty to Allah.
I am sure all Muslim Leaders in the OIC and others countries are breaking their head over this issue. BUT we seem to be bogged down by trivial and silly matters, infighting, etc…
We have lost our way in these forest (of life) as we only see the trees. We have not been able to LIFT ourselves beyond the trees to SEE the BIG PICTURE – the forest.
How can we move forward on this? Tun you are a very much respected elder statesman in the ISLAMIC WORLD. We need your leadership to forge a way to help all MUSLIM leaders raise above the trees to see the FOREST and all its glory as Allah has created it.
Saudi has started an initiative to raise the level of learning all sciences by opening universities that will be at the forefront of scientific discoveries…lets work with them to make it a reality for the UMMAH and the world.
Wassalam.
The Hidden Secret…
I do not know …the way you thinking…..but sometimes you look …have unknowing about your write…..
Everytime you write….you just set your mind is what you believe and what you see…..hello friend…is not good to you….okey.
is also not to good to everybody……God know what is doing….and god also know…why his sent illiterate mesengger..
and as a muslim …i just wanna to advice you….sometimes we need learn and lesson to someone….for goodness…and for ourself
perhaps…you can learn from prof_ridcully or waja ..or anybody you want it…….but don’t made were muslims confuse..in here……its just look your muslim..as dumb and dumber…friend…..
Assalamu’alaikum Tun,
izinkan saya mengulas s.tan…..bloggers become ulama..
anda telah membuat kesilapan dgn komen begitu.umat Islam tidak lah seperti penganut-penganut agama lain yg meletakkan soal agama hanya kpd para sami,paderi atau bapa-bapa suci.orang Islam yg paling bodoh pun tahu bezakan apa yg halal dan apa yg haram.hukum asas tak dapat di ubah oleh sesiapa pun.
dimisalkan kalau ada ulama yg paling berpengaruh sekalipun cuba hendak menghalalkan babi atau bangkai,pasti lah dia akan ditentang habis-habis oleh setiap lapisan umat Islam.sebab ilmu tentang haram nya daging babi sudah begitu jelas dan tersebar luas dikalangan umat Islam.begitu jugalah tentang hukum-hakam yg yg menjadi teras Islam.semua umat Islam yg ada pendidikkan asas agama tahu tentang walaupun kebayakkan kami bukan ulama.jadi anggapan anda tentang bloggers hendak jadi ulama,tidak terpakai untuk agama Islam.
Rashid Khalifa,Salman Rushdie,Taslima Nasrin,Amina Wadud dan kaum sejenis mereka,termasuk Ayah Pin,adalah termasuk orang-orang yg hendak merubah agama.kalau menurut standard practice agama-agama lain,ia tidak jadi masalah sebab itu kebebasan berpendapat.sesiapa saja boleh buat tafsiran sendirian tentang agama.tapi dalam Islam tidak begitu.ajaran yg jelas tidak boleh di ubah walau oleh siapa dan kefahaman ini ada pada setiap umat Islam.sebab itu,walaupun keadaan umat Islam hari ini sangat lemah tapi apabila Islam dihina,yg bodoh,yg pandai akan sama-sama bangun serentak untuk membela.tapi adakah agama lain begitu?
saya berikan satu misal yg anda sudah tahu,lihat lah filem-filem keluaran Hollywood,Bollywood,Kollywood atau HongKongwood yg ada antara filem mereka meremehkan kedudukkan tuhan mereka sendiri,misal nya watak hero mengatakan;”not even god can save you from me…” atau Holy Jesus jadi Holy Shit menjadi bahan mainan/gurauan/basahan penganut-penganut agama kristian di Amerika.atau contoh-contoh film yg lebih terkutuk lagi mempermainkan agama sendiri walau secara sambil lewa.
disini lah perbezaan kita.anda meremehkan agama anda sedang kami mengawal ketat adab-susila terhadap Tuhan dan agama kami.walaupun kami bukan ulama’,kami mempunyai ilmu tentang agama kami dan lebih penting lagi kami mempunyai jiwa keagamaan yg kukuh.sebab sejak kecil sudah di ajar begitu dan diajar juga sholat/sembahyang,puasa mandi dan makan tak boleh diupah orang lain untuk melakukan nya untuk kita.ia tertanggung atas tiap-tiap kepala.tidak seperti ugama-ugama lain yg cuma ulama mereka saja yg sembahyang,pengikut tak payah.pengikut cuma bayar sedikit wang untuk dapat berkat.sebab itu kita jauh berbeza.happy new year to you and your family.
terimakasih Tun.
Peace Be Upon You
In The Name Of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
MUHAMMAD WROTE GOD’S REVELATIONS WITH HIS OWN HAND
The first revelation was “Read,” and included the statement “God teaches by means of the pen” (96:1-4), and the second revelation was “The Pen” (68:1). The only function of the pen is to write.
Ignorant Muslim scholars of the first two centuries after the Quran could not understand the Quran’s challenge to produce anything like it. They had no idea about the Quran’s mathematical composition, and they knew that many literary giants could have composed works comparable to the Quran.
In fact, many such literary giants did claim the ability to produce a literary work as excellent as the Quran. The latest claim came from Taha Hussein, the renowned Egyptian writer.
The ignorant Muslim scholars then decided to proclaim Muhammad an illiterate man! They figured that this would make the Quran’s extraordinary literary excellence truly miraculous. The word they relied on to bestow illiteracy upon the Prophet was “UMMY.”
Unfortunately for those “scholars,” this word clearly means “Gentile,” or one who does not follow any scripture (Torah, Injeel, or Quran) [see 2:78, 3:20 & 75, 62:2]; it does NOT mean “illiterate.”
The Prophet was a successful merchant. The “Muslim scholars” who fabricated the illiteracy lie forgot that there were no numbers during the Prophet’s time; the letters of the alphabet were used as numbers. As a merchant dealing with numbers every day, the Prophet had to know the alphabet, from one to one-thousand. The Quran tells us that Muhammad wrote down the Quran – Muhammad’s contemporaries are quoted as saying,
“These are tales from the past that he wrote down. They are being dictated to him day and night” (25:5).
You cannot “dictate” to an illiterate person. The Prophet’s enemies who accuse him of illiteracy abuse Verse 29:48, which relates specifically to previous scriptures.
On the 27th night of Ramadan 13 B.H. (Before Hijerah), Muhammad the soul, the real person, not the body, was summoned to the highest universe and the Quran was given to him (2:97, 17:1, 44:3, 53:1-18, 97:1-5).
Subsequently, the angel Gabriel helped Muhammad release a few verses of the Quran at a time, from the soul to Muhammad’s memory. The Prophet wrote down and memorized the verses just released into his mind.
When the Prophet died, he left the complete Quran written down with his own hand in the chronological order of revelation, along with specific instructions as to where to place every verse. The divine instructions recorded by the Prophet were designed to put the Quran together into the final format intended for God’s Final Testament to the world (75:17).
God Bless
“THE KEY”
Salam
THE CLAIM OF MUHAMMAD’S ILLITERACY
It has been part of the Muslim
Salam Tun,
dtan
Words, words.
What exactly did you mean to say via this paragraph: …It is unfortunate that as you said, ‘fatwas’ stymied the Muslim world as a whole. It was the Italians. The Roman Catholic Church that established the first University in Bologna in 1290.?
I don’t see any mention of the fact that Bologna was the first to use the term “Universitas” or as you said later, “the term ‘University’ was first coined at its foundation.” in your passage above, dtan.
I used this definition of “University”: a place where students and teachers gather, a community of teachers and scholars, from the phrase “universitas magistrorum et scholarium.” Similar to Bologna, dtan?
You said, “If we are going to use Prof_Ridcullys’ definition. The ‘Imperial Nanjing Institute’ founded in 258 would be the oldest that I know off. I’m sure this information would make Lee Kuan Yew smirk from ‘cheek to cheek’ :)”
Well, I agree that the Imperial Nanjing Institute is older than the university in al-Andalus but some say Taixue, established during the Han Dynasty in China is even older, circa 3 CE.
I’ve no problems with either one or even the Athenian school being the oldest, but we do need to be accurate in our description of things historical because this very entry of Tun’s is about the distortions of history, don’t you agree dtan?
And I actually don’t give two hoots what Lee does.
Tun,
Three type of people Allah Taala mentioned in the ALFahihah, the opening surah of the AlQuran.
1. Those who Allah bestow His Grace,
2. Those Who got His Wrath
3. Those who gone astray.
Those who went astray are supposed to be the Christians, who got at the beginning the guidance of Allah. All their (deviated Christians) good deeds are rewarded in this world and not in the hereafter. They are not niggardly with their science so Allah multiply their knowledge.
But the muslim are rising even though many were oppressed by their leaders and are “imprisoned” into many small countries.If they were to live in one Empire, I think they can surpass U.S.A
YA AS YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE WHOLE WORLD
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!
HAPPY GRANDPARENT?
Dear Tun,
Excuse me, Tun. Poh, my dear, we are required to learn this language because we need to learn to live and respect each other. No one is stopping you to go abroad or migrate if you don’t bother to learn this language.
Assalamualaikum,
Thank you Tun for bringing up this matter.
I have no objection about your writing, it is true but for me not the whole true. You miss something that is very important in Islamic civilisation or what ever people want to call it. Its not the issue.
Any way, in my knowledge, before all this great Islamic Scientist of the past study any other language or knowledge from other civilisation, they have studied and understand the Quran. The best book of knowledge ever exist. that is why, unlike any other knowledge, Islamic scientist of the past hardly make a mistake including kristian theories.This is the basic of their study. You can study Greek, Roman, India or any civilisation, they will make mistake in some of their theories that will be proven after few hundred years.
But this does not happen when they use Quran. Pls, its is very important yet you forget to mention.
they are so many websites in the internet about science in Quran where I believe everybody should read. here are two that I read
http://www.quranmiracles.com/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13459055/Quran-Bible-n-ScienceMaurice-Bucaille
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga diizinkan Tun..
[wok]
b)Jibrail had held Muhammad closer to him]
Saudara wok..with all due respect..this statement is untrue and contrary to Surah An Najm.Please check and realizes that Rasullulah s.a.w and Jibrail a.s was never that close.They were kept apart at arm length in definition
” Dua busur anak panah atau lebih dekat lagi”..
Then, when Jibril a.s took human forms and revealed more messages, it never reported they were at any physical contact at all.All are at arms lenghth..
This itself is an understanding of certain status between Angel and human..
Terima kasih Tun..
Dr Mahathir,
Sir,
Per Prof_Ridcullys’ entry on February 10, 2010 7:23 AM
Many Thanks to Prof_Ridcully for his insightful information.
I do not dispute the efficacy of Muslim institutions and
relevance to the specific culture it caters too. I simply
mentioned the University of Bologna because it was where
degrees and the term ‘University’ was first coined at its
foundation. I guess it depends on your definition.
If we are going to use Prof_Ridcullys’ definition. The ‘Imperial
Nanjing Institute’ founded in 258 would be the oldest that I
know off. I’m sure this information would make Lee Kuan Yew
smirk from ‘cheek to cheek’ 🙂
Assalamualaikum YABhg Tun and everyones,
with permission,
i would like to answer to the Hidden Secret,
we have to read in context, it is true our prophet Muhammad SAW was illiterate (ummi)at that time was the era Arab Jahiliyah, means that at that time they were illiterate. it’s not a blasphemy. (pls understand blasphemyactually used for any insult against God the Almighty)
the first revelation was a command to read (Iqra’) in the name of God the Most Justice. means that we have to learn and read knowledges from anywhere even until China.
kita jgn lah sempit sangat tafsiran. wat transpired here was a command to read and learn any knowledges be it knowledge or book of fiqah, or science, or engineering or making papers or making bahan letupan or engineering or anything…… we must acquire in the name of Allah. Our beloved prophet Muhammad SAW was the messenger who was illiterate because to prevent any allegation from the infidels that he wrote the book Quran by himself not the words of God. itu dinamakan wahyu Allah disampaikankepada nabi dan yg mendengarnya akan menghafal dan sesiapa yg pandai menulis perlulah menuliskanya diatas apa saja e.g. kulit kayu, atau kulit binatang atau batu atau kertas (masa itu teknologi kertas belum sampai ke tanah Arab ianya ada di China). maka the holy book Quran was compiled and been documented on during Saidina Othman. Because before that time Quran was written and memorized by hafiz that were para Sahabat and was written in complete book during Saidina Othman due to many hafiz have died. That is why we call it Masyaf Othmani. I hope you understand the whole context.
Fairuz bin Kamarulzaman
Salam Tun,
Mohon izin Tun. Saya sebenarnya mencuba untuk tidak melayan si fulan ini, The Hidden Secret, dan ajaran songsangnya. Saya hanya ingin menyangkal beliau kerana beliau bermain-main dengan ayat suci Al-Quran dan Rasulullah (saw) dan apa yang beliau katakan boleh mengelirukan orang.
Hidden Secret,
Iqra’ can mean “Read” or “Recite.” And indeed the Prophet (Allah’s Peace and Blessings be upon him) was illiterate.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a person who existed in the full glare of history; his sayings, silence, actions, non-actions, doings, non-doings, approvals, disapprovals, etc were fully recorded by his wives and Companions (May Allah be Pleased with them all) in a corpus called the Hadith.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never disobeyed Almighty Allah [known only as “God” to you, apparently]. The Prophet (pbuh) was trustworthy and even his enemies called him al-Amin. Surah al-Alaq (Surah 96) was not a Command for the Prophet (pbuh) to learn to read. There is a certain wisdom to this: an illiterate person cannot be expected to produce a literary wonder that is the Quran.
Understanding the Quran is important. Only the Arabic Quran is the real Quran. Translations of the Quran are not the Quran; some are inaccurate and even fraudulent [Rashid Khalifah’s translation comes to mind].
Speaking of Khalifah and his like, let’s reflect on Verses 6-8 of the same Surah (Surah 96):
96:6 Nay! Verily, man does transgress (in disbelief and evil deed).
96:7 Because he considers himself self-sufficient.
96:8 Surely, unto your Lord is the return.
Read a sound and trustworthy translation of the Quran, Hidden Secret, and then also read the Hadith. Reading the Hadith is important because I know people like you, although you like to speak about the Prophet (pbuh), do not read the Hadith.
Khalifah has gone to meet his Maker. Let us, the living, remind ourselves to also be fearful of Allah’s Wrath because we surely will return to Him. And show proper respect to the Allah’s Final Messenger and Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad Salallahu Alayhi Wasalam.
Semoga di beri pertimbangan dan keizinan Tun..
[[His Hidden Secret]]
If Muhammad still alive, he will not be happy with us because we have no respect to GOD’s messenger to the extend of down grading him as an illiterate person. Respecting GOD’s messenger is one of the condition for staying within GOD’s protection [5:12]. How Muslims going to excel when they believe that they are obeying and following an illiterate messenger? How Muslims going to excel when they have a mindset that it is OK not to excel because GOD
Semoga mendapat pertimbangan dan keizinan Tun..
[[The Hidden Secret]]
Al Araf [157]
“Iaitu orang-orang yang mengikut Rasulullah (Muhammad s.a.w)
Nabi yang Ummi,
yang mereka dapati tertulis (namanya dan sifat-sifatnya) di dalam Taurat dan Injil yang ada di sisi mereka. Ia menyuruh mereka dengan perkara-perkara yang baik, dan melarang mereka daripada melakukan perkara-perkara yang keji; dan ia menghalalkan bagi mereka segala benda yang baik, dan mengharamkan kepada mereka segala benda yang buruk; dan ia juga menghapuskan dari mereka beban-beban dan belenggu-belenggu yang ada pada pada mereka. Maka orang-orang yang beriman kepadanya, dan memuliakannya, juga menolongnya, serta mengikut nur (cahaya) yang diturunkan kepadanya (Al-Quran), mereka itulah orang-orang yang berjaya.
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
By The Hidden Secret on February 10, 2010 10:23 PM
Salam Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF GOD.
I did mention in my previous comment that Muhammad was not an illiterate man.
It is a blasphemy against Muhammad if we believe and say that he was an illiterate man.
YES, AS A HUMAN BEING MUHAMMAD IBNI ABDULLAH WAS ‘ILLITERATE’ AND AS THE MESSENGER, THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W. WAS SUPREMELY LITERATE BY THE GRACE OF ALLAH S.W.T.
YOU YOURSELF HAVE TO FIND OUT THE ‘HIDDEN SECRET’…
HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE WEEKEND.
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
By S..Tan on February 11, 2010 12:52 AM
Dear Tun, salam mesra harap sihat. Kiriman saya untuk tajuk ini dgn izin….
………..FATWA – GUIDE OR GUARD
……….TEACHING OR COMMAND
Let not bloggers become new ulama! Many are trying to do this here.
………AND RIGHTLY SO, TEACHINGS AS IN EDUCATION (KNOWLEDGE) AND FATWAS AS IN GUIDANCES (WAYS) FOR THE GOODNESS OF HUMAN BEINGS HEREIN AND THEREIN AFTER.
THANK YOU FOR EDUCATING AND GUIDING US..BRO. S..TAN
WE WISH YOU AND FAMILY A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS LUNAR NEW YEAR
KONG XI FA CAI.
Dear Tun,
Allow me to refer to comment by ‘The Hidden Secret’ posted February 10 2010 10.23 pm. You said that Prophet Mohammad was literate. If you are a muslim you must immediately repent(bertaubat).
It is a historical fact that Prophet Mohammad was illeterate. Arch aangel Gabriel(Jibriel)asked nabi to recite the Quran after him. Quran is not learned or man made by Prophet Mohammad. Quran was revealed knowledge(wahyu) by Allah to the Messenger of God, Prophet Mohammad through archangel Jibriel. Nabi memorised it. That is why it is sunnah for muslims to memorise Quran as our Prophet did. Saidina Omar , his sister Fatimah, his daughter Habsah, and Saidina Ali could read and write. No human can write as perfect as in the Quran no matter how literate he may be. Quran must be memorised. It should never be altered at all until end of time, yauma kiamah.
That is the beauty of Quran(hikmah). It is revealed by Allah through an illiterate Messenger, Prophet Mohammad. If Mohammad is literate he may try to be too clever and alter the words of God here and there to suit to himself. Quran must be accepted wholesale, one cannot pick and choose according to one’s liking. Sometimes it may not be logical according to our thinking but who are we. How do we explain satelites transmitting instant images across the world. What are there in the distant stars? We still have a lot to learn. Wallah waalam.
aamin tan
Dear Tun,
Allow me to refer to comment by ‘The Hidden Secret’ posted February 10 2010 10.23 pm. You said that Prophet Mohammad was literate. If you are a muslim you must immediately repent(bertaubat).
It is a historical fact that Prophet Mohammad was illeterate. Arch aangel Gabriel(Jibriel)asked nabi to recite the Quran after him. Quran is not learned or man made by Prophet Mohammad. Quran was revealed knowledge(wahyu) by Allah to the Messenger of God, Prophet Mohammad through archangel Jibriel. Nabi memorised it. That is why it is sunnah for muslims to memorise Quran as our Prophet did. Saidina Omar , his sister Fatimah, his daughter Habsah, and Saidina Ali could read and write. No human can write as perfect as in the Quran no matter how literate he may be. Quran must be memorised. It should never be altered at all until end of time, yauma kiamah.
That is the beauty of Quran(hikmah). It is revealed by Allah through an illiterate Messenger, Prophet Mohammad. If Mohammad is literate he may try to be too clever and alter the words of God here and there to suit to himself. Quran must be accepted wholesale, one cannot pick and choose according to one’s liking. Sometimes it may not be logical according to our thinking but who are we. How do we explain satelites transmitting instant images across the world. What are there in the distant stars? We still have a lot to learn. Wallah waalam.
aamin tan
Tun,
Tumpanhg lalu:
To: “The Hidden Secret (?)”
1. Foremost, I hope you are a Muslim (“IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Salam, Mohd Peter,
well, just wonderful. It’s such people whom we need as heads of states. With a few simple words he hits the nail precisely on the top.
1. It’s always the same: If the mind stands still, the whole culture goes bancrupt.
2. This mental agony had been in Europe. Therefore, the Roman Empire had just fallen. When the Muslims came in, their main characteristic was – learning.
3. Be aware, that there’s a parallel between the decline of the Muslim Ummah and the Romans: mental agony. And also one between the rise of the Muslims and that of the Christian Renaissance: learning.
4. For it’s always the same: If the mind wakes up, the whole culture blossoms. And inspires others. We Europeans had never overcome our agony without the old cultures of the Vedes, the Greek and the Muslims, although these peoples have declined in the meantime for several reasons.
5. The recent rise of Russia and Southern and South-Eastern Asia shows that time goes on. The Renaissance bore the German Classic age, and this made Europe what it was for a long time. Now here, mental agony is prevailing once again in a sad way. But the great nations in the East have refreshed themselves from our cultural values: learning, once again.
6. It’s up to us Muslims to recognize the connection between our mental standing-still since the 15th century to rise again. And it’s up to us Europeans / Americans to get rid of the irrational eco-ideology that makes us return into the Middle Ages.
Greetings, Mayflower
Dear Tun, salam mesra harap sihat. Kiriman saya untuk tajuk ini dgn izin….
………..FATWA – GUIDE OR GUARD
Islam is easily politicised due to power of fatwa. Fatwas divine power, authoritative effect and great influence makes it a convenient tool to lead or mislead. Fatwas issued as guides to Muslims are turned into pronouncements to castigate and isolate.
Religious scholars who are mere teachers to give guidance become guardians and custodians. They guard the ummah and it becomes his custody. A guide can flex, a guard is fixed.
……….TEACHING OR COMMAND
When does a teaching become a command. Many teachings (opinions) are now commands (commandment). Many in their eagerness to be holier than thou, spew such commandments. They associate being Islamic with trading with west (non Muslims) or being friendly with Chinese (non Muslims). Muslims are holier if they confront the west and other races?
Let not bloggers become new ulama! Many are trying to do this here.
salam tun dan pembaca semua,
apa yang ditulis oleh royrafi itu ada benarnya. sebagai seorang yang pesimis, perubahan itu adalah sesuatu yang tidak perlu kerana kehidupan yang telah selesa. pun begitu, sebagai seorang muslim yang sebenar-benarnya muslim, berkarya itu sangat perlu dan kehidupan ini perlu diteruskan dengan perubahan-perubahan yang dibolehkan oleh syarak.
yang penting, asas-asas islam itu perlu kukuh, dan dari situ kita boleh berkembang dengan baik. soal asas yang tidak kukuhlah yang biasanya boleh menyebabkan kemusnahan. islam diturunkan selama 23 tahun dan bukannya satu malam. kebanyakkan rukun islam juga bermula selepas hijrah.
ada diantara kita yang menemukan islam itu selepas berpuluh-puluh tahun menganut islam itu sendiri. muslim yang kebanyakannya pada adat ini sebenarnya menjadi masalah dalam masyarakat kita sejak berkurun lamanya, dan yang mejadi masalah lebih besar sebenarnya ialah kesedaran keislaman yang timbul setelah lama menjadi islam.
terlalu banyak dosa yang telah dilakukan sehinggakan kekesalan yang dirasai menjadi pendorong kepada tidakan radikal dan diluar jangka, dan dilakukan tanpa berfikir panjang.
sedangkan islam itu sebenarnya mudah, dan menjadi susah sekiranya kita menjadikan ia susah. dalam surah al-baqarah, disebutkan orang-orang yahudi apabila disuruh menyembelih sapi lalu dibuat susah oleh mereka dengan berbagai soalan dan alasan, sehingga hampir-hampir mereka tidak dapat melaksanakan suruhan-Nya.
ada banyak perkara mudah yang dibuat susah lewat masa ini disebabkan kepentingan diri, puak atau kaum. pun begitu, masih belum terlewat kerana matahari masih belum terbit dari barat dan kita masih lagi hidup untuk boleh berusaha lebih gigih memperbaiki diri dan masyarakat.
tiada yang mustahil, selagi ada usaha, selagi itu ada jalan kecuali mereka yang sudah berputus asa dan mencari jalan singkat. semua kegagalan diarahkan kepada orang lain supaya diri tidak dipandang rendah. adakah patut disalahkan guru sedangkan pilihan sebenarnya dibuat oleh murid itu sendiri? adakah salah ibu bapa sekiranya jalan yang diambil itu sesat sedangkan kita masih boleh mencari jalan yang benar terutama dizaman yang serba canggih ini?
yang penting, kita perlu berfikiran matang dan menghadapi setiap cabaran yang datang dengan tenang dan tabah. ini bukan sesuatu yang boleh dipelajari dalam masa satu malam, belajar berjalan pun mengambil masa beberapa lama. puas jatuh barulah dapat berjalan dengan baik.
sedangkan Rasul pun melalui proses-proses yang mengambil masa sebelum menjadi Rasul, inikan pula kita yang belum tentu terpilih.
apa yang cuba saya sampaikan di sini ialah, adalah menjadi tanggungjawab setiap kita untuk menjadi orang yang lebih baik dari semalam. orang yang paling rugi adalah semalamnya lebih baik dari hari ini, kerana esok kita belum tentu di sini lagi… Allah sebenarnya lebih mengetahui. http://kerjaya-muslim.blogspot.com/
KNOWLEDGE CONCERNING RELIGION:
This knowledge is acquired by blind faith in the words of the prophets. It can be earned after studying the Quran and Sunna of the Prophet or hearing them for salvation of soul, even though knowledge concerning intellect is necessary, it is not singly sufficient. As for health of body, some measures are necessary, but they are not alone sufficient without their actual application.
Special methods of medicines for cure should be learnt from the physicians. Only intellect is not sufficient. He who calls towards blind faith only without application of intellect is a fool. On the other hand, he who relies on intellect only after giving up the Quran and Sunna is a proud man. The two must be kept together. Education concerning intellect is like food and religious education is like medicine. A diseased man meets with harm if he takes only food after giving up medicine. Similar is the case with diseased soul. Its cure is not possible without profitable medicine of Shariat. The medicine of Shariat is the duties prescribed by the Prophets for purity of soul. He who does not treat his diseased soul by the medicine of divine service as ordained by Shariat and thinks the leanings of intellect as sufficient faces ruin.
SCIENCE IS NOT OPPOSED TO RELIGION:
Some think that science is opposed to religion. This is not at all correct. Such a man sets up one learning of Shariat against another. The reason is his failure to co-ordinate the two. As a result, such people go out of religion. Such man is just like a blind man who stumbles down against furnitures of a house and says: Why have these furnitures been kept in the path way? The house owner says: They are in their proper places. It is your blindness which is responsible for your stumbling. This is also the case with one who thinks that science is opposed to religion.
TWO KINDS OF SCIENCE:
There are two kinds of science, material and spiritual. Medical Science, Mathematics, and other technical sciences belong to the learnings of this world. The religious sciences are the education concerning soul, God, His attributes and actions. He who makes efforts with regard to the worldly sciences and becomes expert has shortcomings in most cases in being expert in religious sciences. For this reason, Hazrat Ali cited three illustrations to explain this. He said: This world and the next world are like two scales or like the east and the west or like two co-wives. You will find that he who is intelligent in worldly matters and expert in Medical science, Mathematics, Philosophy, Geometry etc. is fool in the religious sciences. He who is experienced in the religious sciences is inexperienced in the worldly learnings.
In order to save from the above erroneous beliefs and ideas, three means should be adopted intellect, learning and knowledge of a thing. Intellect means the inborn light with which a man knows the true nature of everything. If it does not arise in early years, it does not become possible to earn it in future. It can be increased by experience and other methods if there is existence of sharp intellect.
The Prophet said : Blessed is He who distributed intellect among His servants in different measures. Once a man asked the Prophet : What is the rank of the man near God on the Resurrection Day who fasts the day, prays Tahajjud, performs Haj and Umrah, gives charity in the way of God, makes jihad, serves the diseased, remains present in funeral prayers and helps the weak? The Prophet said : He will get rewards according to his intellect.
Once a man was praising another man before the Prophet who asked: How is his intellect, as a fool commits sins more than the sinners owing to his foolishness. Once the people mentioned before the Prophet about a man’s great devotions. He asked. How is his intellect ? The people said: He has got no intellect. He said: He has not reached the rank which you wish to give him. It appears that sharp intellect is a special gift of God.
The second means of removing erroneous beliefs is knowledge.
This includes knowledge of four things-
(1) knowledge of oneself,
(2) knowledge of God,
(3) knowledge of the next world and
(4) knowledge of this world.
Man is a sojourner in the world. He has been given beastly nature and also spiritual nature to know God. When one will know these four matters, love for God will arise in his mind. When he will act everything to please god and for the next world, he will find guidance. When he will like the present world in preference to the next world, and his passions and low desires in preference to the pleasure of God, it will become impossible to save himself from erroneous beliefs.
The third means of removing erroneous beliefs is learning.
The merits and virtues of learning (seeking and acquiring of knowledge):
The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If a man seeks the path of acquiring knowledge, God guides him to a path leading to Paradise.
He said: Angels spread their wings out of cheer for the seeker of knowledge.
He said: To rise up at dawn and learn a section of knowledge is better for you than to pray one hundred rak’ats.
He said: If a man learns a chapter of knowledge, it is better than the world and its contents.
He said: Seek knowledge even if it be in China.
He said: To seek knowledge is compulsory on every Muslim, male and female.
He said: Knowledge is a treasure house and its key is enquiry. So enquire and there are rewards therefore for four persons – the enquirer, the learned man, the audience and their lover.
He said: The ignorant should not remain silent over their ignorance, nor the learned over their knowledge.
He said: To be present in an assembly of a learned man is better then praying one thousand rak’ats, visiting one thousand sick men and attending one thousand funerals.
The Prophet was asked on the virtues of seeking and learning knowledge: 0 Messenger of God, is it better than the reading of the Quran? He said: What benefit can the Quran do except through knowledge?
He said: He who seeks knowledge to revive Islam and dies in that condition, there will be the difference of only one step between him and the prophets.
Please watch these interesting documentaries:
Science and Islam: Part 1: The Language of Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPlaS_wGzx8
Science and Islam: Part 2: The Empire of Reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0FSgNE4Lxc&feature=related
Science and Islam: part 3: The Power of Doubt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LjdnKE_i9E&feature=related
When the Moors (Muslims) Ruled Europe: Documentary (full)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8HnvuKbAo
The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain: Full documentary (PBS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE-F2tybkDQ
Paradise Found: Islamic Architecture and Arts (A history; documentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYz9d2rt8_o
An Islamic History of Europe (full documentary; produced by BBC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0IaCK-7z5o
The Crusades: Crescent and the Cross. Full version: pt 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqK-RuntywY
The Crusades: Crescent and the Cross. Full version: pt 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pOPz5xPFTo
Islam in the West
http://www.youtube.com/user/AllyOfAllah
http://www.youtube.com/user/RedSeaMedia#g/u
Salam Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF GOD.
I did mention in my previous comment that Muhammad was not an illiterate man.
It is a blasphemy against Muhammad if we believe and say that he was an illiterate man.
Let us assume that Muhammad was illiterate. Then at the age of 40 he received commandment from GOD to read. Then he ignored GOD
A fine self interpretation of the word ‘iqraq’.
For starters, any word or sentence or verse of the Quran is not meant to be interpreted entirely on its own. It would be like not seeing the forest for the trees.
Reading the Quran, even with it’s translation at hand is surely not enough to deduce its true interpretation and making self proclaimed conclusions. It takes a learned and knowledgeable scholar of Islam to properly interpret the Quran thus making it comprehensible and acceptable.
Why else would many still say that it was all a lie, arguing that Jibrail, being the supreme angel of Allah s.w.t would surely have known that Muhammad s.a.w was illiterate yet asked him to ‘read’.
There is therefore a deeper meaning to the word ‘iqraq’ than meets the eye when it refers to the verse in the Quran and the history of the Hira cave revelation.
Secondly, the Quran is the ultimate manual of life and Islam encompasses everything, science, technology and even politics for that matter. Most if not all of the knowledge of the early Islamic scholars were from the Quran and its divine message and most importantly, a clean and pure heart enabling them to grasp knowledge easily.
Take some time and try talking to some really pious Muslims and you will find that their knowledge extends way beyond what you might expect.
Btw, if the Malays back then was so outdated in tech, we are still standing in our own land (with Malay word in it, compare it with Indonesia, Philiphines), with Raja-raja still existing, speaking our own language, living in our culture even if its fading out.
Look what happened to great Islam Empire in the past like in India, or great civilization like the Mayans (who invented the Mayan calendar along with their fine statues and grand pyramids).. they vanished with little left-over.
We faced FOUR wave of conquest and still standing, our ancestors werent some jungle man with spears and kerises.
“In hindsight, we could deduce plausible explanations as to the success and longevity, or failure of a kingdom. External factors as well as internal strength or problems affect the stability and sovereignity of any nation. For the case of Melaka, it was the total lack of science and discoveries that led to its downfall.”
Salam Tun,
Im a bit disagree with your lines as our lands, to put aside nowadays geographic borders, as it was borderless Nusantara, we were splitted into what we are now after been attacked by FOUR conquistadors. It was a great plan by the the European to DIVIDE & RULE the Malays. Science werent really an excuse for the downfall but we were sort of outnumbered. If you havent notice, Portugal’s naval fleet were overwhelmed by gigantic ships of the Malays. If the Fame ship wasnt destroyed (I think purposely), we may find some of the techno books, perhaps written in Jawis, but the most important is the reality history of our land, not the fabricated piece like those we keep digesting written by the Western.
Germanian naval expert, Horts H.Liebner in an interview by The Jakarta Post mentioned:-
“Five hundred years before groups of ocean conquistadors from Portugal began their journey to look for new territories, ships from the islands now known as Indonesia were traveling around Asian waters with very advanced technology.
The preliminary scientific reconstruction of a shipwreck recovered from the Java Sea found that the ship had better technology than those from Europe, China or Japan. The ship,believed to have sunk between 930 AD and 990 AD in a storm, was also bigger and better constructed. Our preliminary analysis concludes that the ship was 25 to 35 meters long and 12 meters wide. At that period, China still had no ships that could sail the oceans, while European ships were much smaller. Imagine,the ship Columbus used to sail to America and 15th century Europeanships were all less than 20 meters,”
I dont think Malacca was that outdated if their neigboring countries were superior sailors with advanced ship construction technologies. The Thais potrayed Malays better than our understanding in their movies, like Queen of Langkasuka, because their sources of information are not really based on what the West are feeding us, like Melayu malas and so on. Our istanas were equipped with all sort of cannons (Lela Rentaka is a mobile cannon made by the Malays, called Rentaka by the English, not called cannon), fortified with lines of gunners with fine muskets. During the fall of Malacca, Portuguese seized a lot amount of musket guns from the local forts.
Today Middle East will be a different world, if 50 years ago the Muslim there go for Technology and Industrialization reform. Put effort on Science, Economic and Mastering the knowledge of mathematics. It will be a different world. However they choose to govern the nation by Religions, and they are continuing to do so until today. SO MAY WE MALAYSIAN KNOW, WHERE ARE WE AFTER ANOTHER 50 YEARS IF WE NOT TO A MAJOR CHANGE ON THE PEOPLE MINDSET AND EDUCATION SYSTEM. LOOK AT TODAY CHINA, SINGAPORE AND TAIWAN, THEY ARE NOW BETTER THAN US, WE ARE MUCH BEHIND THEM IN TERM OF EDUCATION AND KNOWLEDGE.
It is in my opinion that this article is intended to answer the decline of knowledge in science and technology in Islamic countries/nations. Though the historical cause may be argued, the point highlighted by Tun may be considered as the main cause of weakness in Islamic countries.
More often than not, the hunger for technological and scientific knowledge will be deemed as un-Islamic, thus should not be pursued. Knowledge in Islam as perceived by many is only limited to religious (Islamic) knowledge only. This in my opinion is one of the main misconceptions towards the religion (Islam). This can be seen in mosques today where mosques is seen only as a place of worship vs during the glory days of Islam, mosques are not limited only as a place of worship, but a knowledge centre.
It has been embedded (in general) in the community that striving knowledge and progress as moving away from Islamic teachings. A similar example will be, mastering of English language will make a Malay less Malay, and unpatriotic. Being knowledgeable in science, mathematics, economics, etc. will not make a person more un-Islamic compared to a person knowledgeble in Islamic religious matters, as a person who is good in English is in no way less Malay. Only through these knowledge can one race/religion be stronger and more respected.
Dear Tun,
The topic tends to mislead as if islam is special to scientific knowledge. Islam is a way of life and it has very little to do with scientific research, discovery or invention. Prophet Mohammad succeeded to conquer Mekah, the whole of arabia and beyond because he tried and doa to Allah to convert all and sundry, more so his fierce enemy to islam. It is a very inclusive religion. Among his initial enemies were his own uncles Hamzah and Abu Lahab. Omar, Khalid ibn Walid, Abu Hakam(nickname Abu Jahal) and son Ikrimah, Suhaly (who represented the Quraish of Mekah who signed the humiliating Hudaibiyah agreement with the Prophet Mohammaud). The Prophet doa all the great enemy of islam become muslims and most of them did. The prophet said the great men of islam were the great men of Quraish. They were Hamzah, Omar, Khalid Al Walid, Suhaly, Abu Sufian and many more.
On the contrary, we are not trying to convert non muslims but treat new converts with suspicion. We have been trying to divide our population on racial basis. when we said Ibnu Sinar was a muslim, it does not mean that by becoming a muslim you become a mathemetician or scientist. No need to depend on past laurels. Like the arab converted Parameswara, we should try to convert Ong Tee Kiat, Samy Vello, Lim Kit Siang. May be not Karpal Singh because he is more like Abu Lahab.
At least Omar Ong Yoke Lin converted during the rule of tunku Abdul Rahman.
amin tan
Assalamualaikum Tun, Semoga berada dalam limpahan iman dan diberkati Allah azzawajalla.
Kalau boleh saya nak jawab semua komen (setakat ini : 50). Mungkin satu hari nanti…
Saya setuju dengan sejarah pertukaran ilmu antara Barat dan Islam, seperti yang dipaparkan oleh Tun. Cuma soal fatwa dari ulamak tu, saya kira tak berapa tepat.
Ini kerana kemajuan setiap dinasti Islam adalah kerana pemimpinnya. Bila pemimpin itu menyanjung ilmu, maka ilmu akan bersemarak. Bila muncul pemimpin yang mementingkan diri sendiri, maka fatwa pun dipilih-pilih yang sesuai dengan kehendak pemimpin untuk pemerintahannya. Sebab itulah ada pemikir politik Islam, Al-Mawardi (?) membahagikan kemajuan sesebuah negara Islam itu kepada bermula, membangun, tahap tertinggi, dan era keruntuhan.
Lagi pun, Islam ni bukan agama konsep atau fatwa, tetapi agama yang memberi panduan kepada sesiapa saja, termasuk pemimpin, agar mereka hidup dalam keadaan aman, adil dan maju.
Salam Tun,
I should just like to comment a bit on what dtan said earlier.
Bernard Lewis was once a respected historian of Ottoman Turkey but the nonagenarian is an Orientalist through and through. He holds to a view that Islam is a monolithic religion which never changes, and that Islam is confined to the Middle East. He writes a lot about Islam and is generally respected by people who do not know a lot about Islam but does not have any traction among those who do.
The late Edward Said, a Christian Palestinian, had a running battle with Lewis over Lewis’s simplistic, one-sided view of Islam and Arabs and because Lewis, in his later works, was apt to publish political propaganda dressed up as scholarly work. It is not a coincidence that Lewis has been labelled “Bush’s Historian.” So it’s not surprising that Lewis’s book “What Went Wrong? Western Impact and Middle Eastern Response (Oxford University Press, 2002),” has been panned by several scholars including this academic from the University of Michigan and this economist at Northeastern University.
dtan can’t help slipping in a comment about the Roman Catholics establishing the University of Bologna, perhaps subtly implying the superiority of RC in education.
dtan may be interested to know that a university was established in Al-Andalus (Muslim Spain) around 781 CE; Al-Azhar was established in 970 CE and al-Azhar professors lectured on Medicine during the time of an-Nasir Salahuddin al-Ayyubi (Saladin); and Muhammad Ibn-Zakaria ar-Razi (Rhazes) established the prototype modern hospital with separate wings for patients with different illnesses and especially those suffering contagious ones, a pharmacy, kitchen, rehab centre, the prerequisite library and an attached medical school complete with grand ward rounds with the professor. There was even the medieval version of a Medical Social Worker attached to the hospital.
ar-Razi is better known as a chemist but he pioneered the use of catgut in surgery; and perhaps one of his more important clinical works was differentiating measles from smallpox, the two (viral) diseases being almost similar in symptomatology and clinical signs but with the later having more dangerous sequelae and a much higher mortality rate. ar-Razi also recognised the epidemic potential of smallpox although he obviously couldn’t know of the aetiology of the illness.
After reading ar-Razi’s careful and detailed description of the exanthem found in smallpox, the only modern-day equivalent of a fine clinician I can think of is [Sir William] Osler. And ar-Razi did this differentiating purely on the clinical picture — history and physical examination — at a time when no one was talking about electron microscopy, PCR techniques, antibody titres or viral culture.
My apologies, Tun and everybody, for being long winded in my description of the work of one of the unsung heroes (read Muslim) of scientific Medicine.
Salam Tun and others.
IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Muhammad was not an illiterate person. He was a literate person because :-
1. GOD will not command him to read if he was an illiterate person.
2. GOD commanded him to read and he has no choice but to obey GOD
A fine self interpretation of the word ‘iqraq’.
For starters, any word or sentence or verse of the Quran is not meant to be interpreted entirely on its own. It would be like not seeing the forest for the trees.
Reading the Quran, even with it’s translation at hand is surely not enough to deduce its true interpretation and making self proclaimed conclusions. It takes a learned and knowledgeable scholar of Islam to properly interpret the Quran thus making it comprehensible and acceptable.
Why else would many still say that it was all a lie, arguing that Jibrail, being the supreme angel of Allah s.w.t would surely have known that Muhammad s.a.w was illiterate yet asked him to ‘read’.
There is therefore a deeper meaning to the word ‘iqraq’ than meets the eye when it refers to the verse in the Quran and the history of the Hira cave revelation.
Secondly, the Quran is the ultimate manual of life and Islam encompasses everything, science, technology and even politics for that matter. Most if not all of the knowledge of the early Islamic scholars were from the Quran and its divine message and most importantly, a clean and pure heart enabling them to grasp knowledge easily.
Take some time and try talking to some really pious Muslims and you will find that their knowledge extends way beyond what you might expect.
Assalammualaikum Tok Det,
SOALAN: SALAH SIAPA?
1. Siapakah yang bersalah mengeluarkan “Fatwa Songsang” sehingga Umat Islam mundur dalam bidang sains dan teknologi?
2. Siapakah yang mengeluarkan fatwa-fatwa bodoh yang menyebabkan Umat Islam mundur, terhina dan terus dibuli sekarang?
3. Siapakah yang menyebabkan Umat Islam yang sepatutnya bersaudara tetapi berbalah sampai berbunuh sesama sendiri kerana berlainan pegangan mazhab sekarang?
4. Siapakah punca utama mengeluarkan tafsiran Al Quran & Hadis yang berbeza-beza hingga menyebabkan perpecahan Umat Islam diserata dunia sekarang?
5. Siapakah punca utama Umat Islam menjadi mundur dan terhina seperti sampah dunia dan nyawa Umat Islam terlalu murah macam nyawa nyamuk sekarang?
JAWAPANNYA: ULAMA
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Persoalannya:-
1. Kenapa dalam Islam perlu ada golongan yang dipanggil ulama kalau mereka ini semua hanya membawa perpecahan dan kehancuran kepada Umat Islam itu sendiri?
2. Salahkah jika ada diantara Umat Islam yang membenci ulama kerana merekalah punca sebenar kehancuran Umat Islam sekarang?
3. Apakah ulama itu benar wujud dalam Islam atau hanya satu gelaran dunia yang direka untuk mendapat harta, pangkat, kuasa, pengaruh dan glamour sahaja? Tiadapun gelaran ulama semasa zaman Nabi Muhammad s.a.w. Rasanya dalam Al Quran pun tiada menyebut golongan yang dipanggil ulama ini.(sila betulkan saya jika salah)
4. Salahkah jika mengatakan ulama punca utama Umat Islam menjadi mundur dan dibuli sekarang?
5. Salahkan jika mengatakan bahawa Umat Islam wajib bangkit berjihad memerangi dan menghapuskan ulama dan kembali kepada Islam yang sebenar. ISLAM FUNDAMENTAL SEBENAR YANG DIAJAR OLEH NABI MUHAMMAD S.A.W!!!
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Salahkan jika saya katakan:-
ULAMA BUKAN PERWARIS NABI…
Tetapi,
UMAT ISLAM YANG TINGGI ILMUNYA SEPERTI PEMIMPIN, SAINTIS, DOKTOR, JURUTERA, AKAUNTAN, HAKIM, PEGUAM, TENTERA, POLIS, AHLI POLITIK, AHLI BAHASA, PENGARAH FILEM, PEMUZIK, PENYANYI DAN LAIN-LAIN PROFESSIONAL ISLAM YANG TELAH MENGANGKAT DARJAT DAN KEAGUNGAN TAMADUN ISLAM ITULAH SEBENARNYA PERWARIS NABI!!!
MEREKA INILAH…IAITU PROFESSIONAL ISLAM YANG AKAN MENGANGKAT KETINGGIAN DARJAT ISLAM DAN MEMBUATKAN ORANG TERTARIK UNTUK MEMELUK ISLAM DAN MENGAGUNGKAN ALLAH!!!
BUKANNYA PARA ULAMA NASI LEMAK YANG HANYA GILA BERCERAMAH ATAU BERPOLITIK DAN HANYA PANDAI MEMBUAT TAFSIRAN BERCELARU DAN MENGELUARKAN FATWA SAHAJA KERJANYA…
Kenapa kita perlu terus menyimpan sesuatu yang membawa kehancuran? Kenapa perlu ulama?
PEMBELA
http://pembelamelayu2009.wordpress.com/
Assalamualaikum wbt Yg Bhg Tun, the 4th Malaysian Prime Minister,
Today is 24th Safar 1431 Hijrah (9/2/2010) 9pm.
To begin with, you mention OIC lagging behind since its inception in Rabat, Morocco in 1969 that makes me older by two years to OIC.
Credit need also to be given to our first PM for his role in OIC.
Few other important events took place in 1969 but it will not be quite relevant to elaborate here.
To be exact, OIC was established on 12 Rejab 1389 Hijrah (25/9/1969)
and currently comprises of at least 57 countries and few more non Muslim nations as observer members including Russia etc. ISESCO is a specialized institution of the OIC in the field of Education, Science & Culture besides having other instution such as IDB etc etc.
In October 2003, when delivering your keynote address during the OIC held at PICC Putrajaya, you have higlighted that with 1.3 billion Muslims (back then) , OIC can do better provided Muslims nation have determination and will to do it. Of course your famous speech broadcasted in CNN that Jews rules the world by proxy and a suprise appearance by Russian President created a major impact to OIC that was a bit sleepy prior to october 2003.
By the way, to go a bit astray from the subject,— on the last day of the OIC Trade Exhibition 2003 opposite PICC , a press conference was held on Islamic Banking to OIC member countries media that was moderated by me where those invited to talk to the OIC electronic and print media including Prof Dr Mahmood M Sanusi (now with Inceif Bank Negara) and the representatives of the company producing Dinar & Dirham launched by you and Datuk Siti Nurhaliza a few days earlier.
It is high time that OIC started to play a major role globally.
With many issues by orchestrated by the US Admins against the Muslim Nations, it is therefore possible and reasonable if OIC become another United Nation but better than that.
Fees for member countries and for Non Muslim member nations can be generated as income and if US is interested to be a member then the terms and conditions need to be set strictly including paying a hefty sum of membership fees of USD 1 trillion per year payable in gold bullion.(mere suggestion la)
This way the global economy will no longer be determine by the US alone, it will collectively be determine by all member countries.
The development of practically everything including science can be determined fairly. Any member nation found to develop any deadly virus such as HINI will be terminated immediately and any factory producing the vacksine found to be working hand in hand with such nation can be penalized heavily.
Well, to start all this rolling we need a strong leader that can face whatever backlash from any nation and many of the present OIC Nations would agree that you be appointed to be in the present OIC playing a major leading role in restructuring all aspects of OIC be it science,political, financial,economy etc etc etc. An independent survey and vote can be carried out that will surely InsyaAllah produce a favorable result.
Last but not least, here is my observation at the OIC 2003 Trade Exhibition venue where I wish to make a comparison between you and President Perves Musharaff Pakistan. When President Musharaff visited his own country booth, close to 20 bodyguards complete with firearms surrounded him to the extend it is almost impossible for anyone to greet and see him clearly at a fair distance. But Yg Bhg Tun when you walked around, it was relatively easier for everybody from every OIC nations participating in the Trade Exhibition to greet and shake hand with you except when that crooked fierce looking iron lady rafidah aziz (smiling her fake smile only specially for you la Tun) choose to bring you directly to her own selected booth while ignoring many others. Well Yg Bhg Tun, my point here is that you was well received and respected by all Muslim Nations participating at the OIC Trade Exhibition Putrajaya 2003 and there is every possibility that despite your age (and your advice given to Sir David Frost to look young), you will be welcome happily by these member Nation to initiate something fruitful for the benefit of the Ummah,InsyaAllah.
Finally, OIC issues goes beyond the development of science–many ought to be overhauled with Ikhlas, InsyaAllah the result will be positive with Barakah.
24 Safar 1431 Hijrah (9/2/2010) 1022pm
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Salam Tun,
I just blog asking ppl to READ!
I was there in Bahrain year 2002 when u deliver a powerfull keynote address at the 31st IFTDO world conference in Bahrain.
It was on this topic what have hapen to the Islamic World as the result of only enjoying present life and not for the future of its own life!
Frankly sir, im just dissapointed for an organisation like OIC and the whole Muslim world including Malaysia for not studying the past trends od Islam Economic Development to forecast the future of WHAT to do NOW!
sheikh faleigh
Salam Tun,
merely wish to repeat and amplify the main point of an important post.
By al-DinAuthor Profile Page on February 9, 2010 1:28 AM
For the case of Melaka, it was the total lack of science and discoveries that led to its downfall.
Lack of knowledge in gunpowder, guns and canons, and the knowledge to counter them, plus inferior naval fleet led to inability to self defend the Melaka kingdom. The merchants who came to trade and whom history recorded as having had a large influence in Melaka were nowhere to be seen helping, or perhaps historians did not record their role in the downfall of Melaka.
Yup.. no doubt. We need to get back to Quran and practice every word it says. Allah repeated asks people to think of His creation in Quran. What else it called? It is science my brother. And Allah has put examples in Quran that no one can even imagine 1400 years ago, the authenticity and supremacy of science facts in it. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who lived in a desert knew about science? It was from Allah who owns this universe and knows the best of His creation.
Salam Tun,
Thank you for writing about Islam and Science, two topics very close to my heart.
If I may so, you are absolutely right about the Muslims’ mastery not only of the sciences but also other disciplines, from the time of the Abbasids right up to the 15/16th century CE, being driven by the Quranic injunction to “Read.” This command, from a Book revealed to an unlettered Prophet (Muhammad, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him), inspired Muslims to respect knowledge and to aspire to accumulate knowledge not only of the “sacred” type but also the “worldly” type.
Muslims’ lead in all types of knowledge and Science declined in the 1500’s CE but I’m not sure if it was entirely due to fatwas issued by Ulama. I’m sorry Tun but I have to differ with you on this point. It may be so but I’m inclined to think there were other factors, equally important, at play.
The Muslim world was in turmoil at that time: The Crusades had been waged; the Reconquista of the Iberian Peninsula had been completed; Islam was in retreat in the Mediterranean, the Maghrib, and elsewhere; and there were countless internecine wars between the Muslims. And although later the Golden Horde under Timur became Muslim, I don’t think the Muslims really recovered from the shock of the Mongol invasion of the Muslim heartland in the 12/13th Centuries CE culminating in the sack of Baghdad where not only were the inhabitants all killed, but books were also burnt and destroyed. In one fell swoop a vast storehouse of knowledge — in the minds of men and written down in books — was wiped off the face of the earth.
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Many of the commenters here have pointed out to the difficulty of reconciling Islam and Science. They speak as though the two are mutually exclusive.
I beg to differ from this point of view because if we look at Science from the perspective of Islam, Science is indeed very much compatible with the religion. If we look at it from the point of view of Tauhid, scientific knowledge is perfectly legitimate: to a Muslim, nature and natural phenomena are Allah’s doing and it is incumbent upon a Muslim to understand nature and natural phenomena in order to understand and appreciate Allah Ta’ala’s Majesty. Indeed there is a Quranic decree to this effect.
Thus Muslims looked at nature and sought to understand the Cosmos and the Seasons; distances, methods of measurement and exploration; light, vision and optics; sounds, including music; minerals and alchemy; geological formations, structures and geography; logic and mathematics; botany and pharmaceutics; zoology and embryology; diseases; languages, history and sociology; etc because to them, all these gave clues to the existence of the Almighty. To them, Natural Philosophy, the old name for Science, was particularly relevant and formed part and parcel of the being Muslims.
The dichotomy of Science and Religion that we see now arose from a different religious tradition after the 15th century CE when theologians of a particular religion dominant in Europe then, and perhaps now, issued edicts based on wrong interpretations of their holy book. This set the way for the collision between Science and Religion, so much so that nowadays the two appear to be mutually exclusive. Copernicus, Galileo and Descartes all got into trouble with the religious authorities in Europe at the time.
It is unfortunate that many Muslims buy into this premise that Religion [Islam] and Science cannot meet and they also see things that way when it was not, as you alluded to Tun, during the time when scientific knowledge in the Islamic world — which was open to non-Muslims, it must be said — flourished.
But that’s the past. What’s important now is for Muslims to realise that their religion, Islam, is no hindrance to their mastery of Science; indeed, Islam exhorts Muslims to be excellent scientists — it has been done before for close to 900 years.
True, Muslims are lagging behind in all fields scientific at the moment. Many put this lag down to political, cultural, educational and economic colonisation of Muslim lands — but more importantly, Muslim minds — for the past 500 years.
To me, the main cause of the lag is that many Muslims have lost touch with their rich scientific heritage. Many scientific treatises written by Muslims now extant and their inventions, in fact, are not even in the possession of Muslims anymore — they’re in libraries and museums in Europe. It’s no wonder that many young Muslims are hard-pressed to name Muslims scientists save perhaps a few and even then it’s Avicenna and not Ibn Sina; Rhazes and not ar-Razi; Alberuni and not al-Biruni; and Alhazen and not Ibn al-Haitham.
Salam Tun & Fellow CheDet’s bloggers
Sorry that this is my 3rd comment on the same topic. I just cannot empahsise more on the importance of the issue so that the Muslim Ummah can now realise and revert back to the teaching of Quran & Hadith as our best guidance for better life in this world & after.
At the moment secularism has been introduced, influencing our scholars to adopt the concept. By separating religion and state, we will never make this world a better place. It is proven that people, not only confined to Muslim ummah, will continue to strive on strong desire to secure and hold to power and to accumulate wealths. They go to war, they cheat, they impose economic sactions, they deprive some people for decent living etc. The terms such as democracy, human rights and freedom of expression etc are to merely blind the people from the true intention of the powerful to maintain rule and control for their benefits.
So be aware … go back to the true teaching of Quran.
May Allah bless us all.
Salam tun Dm & kawan2,
Betul Tun, ayat pertama diturun kan adalah arahan “baca”. Ianya arahan (command – iqra) bukan saranan. Tidak baca merupakan kelakuan ‘insubordination” bermaksud langgar arahan boss. Mana nak maju kalau langgar arahan boss -bukannya sebarangan boss pula itu – kekuasaannya meliputi segala yang ada dilangit dan bumi.
Saya pun pening, bila rata-rata orang melayu mudah terhibur dengan rncangan berbentuk hiburan berbanding dokumentari ilmiah.Baca suratkahabar pun malas apatahlagi buku ilmiah – kalau tak kerana sekolah kerajaan,tak tahu apa nak jadi. al-quaran ada menyebut, mana sama yang tidak berilmu dengan yang berilmu. Untuk berilmu, kuncinya baca.
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
WE WUD LIKE TO MAKE IT SIMPLE.
SCIENCE CHARTS THE PROGRESS OF THE MANKIND FROM THE DAY ADAM AND EVE WAS CONDEMNED TO EARTH FROM HEAVEN AND WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE DAY THE EARTH STOPS…THE DOOMSDAY
AND THE DAY WILL COME WHEN MANKIND WILL FIND OUT THAT ALL THE SCIENTIFIC FORMULAE WERE BASED FROM …THE ALQURAN, A BOOK THAT MOST NON BELIEVERS BELIEVED IS WRITTEN AND PROPAGATED BY MUHAMMAD IBNI ABDULLAH( DID THEY WONDERED HOW GIFTED THE ILLITERATE WAS? )
AND WHEN MANKIND ACKNOWLEDGED THE ALQURAN AS THE HOLY BOOK OF LIFE THAT ALMIGHTY ALLAH S.W.T DECREED TO MANKIND VIA HIS LAST MESSENGER THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W, ALL PEACEFUL AND LOVING HUMAN BEINGS WILL SURRENDER THEMSELVES TO THE ALMIGHTY AND BE GUIDED BY THE ISLAMIC WAYS OF LIFE IN PURSUIT OF THEIR ULTIMATE WISH…LIFE IN HEAVEN FROM WHERE OUR FIRST FATHER AND MOTHER CAME FROM.
PERHAPS, BY NOW MANY CURIOUS MINDS WUD HAVE WONDERED THAT IN THE SHAHADAH ‘ LA ILAHA IL ALLAH ‘ WERE HIDDEN THE BINARY FIGURES OF ‘0’ AND ‘1’…THE LANGUAGE OF THE COMPUTER!
NOW WONDER FURTHER IN SEARCH OF THE SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGES IN THE ‘HIDDEN FORMULA’ OF CODE 19…AND MILLION MORE ‘HIDDEN FORMULAE’ WHICH EVENTUALLY WILL BE FOUND BY THE LEARNED ONES (SCIENTISTS) TO ‘FACILITATE’ THE HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS.
AND FOR AS LONG AS MANKIND USES ALL THEIR SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND AND NOT FOR DESTRUCTION..THEN MANKIND IS PRACTISING THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE…
WALLAHUALAM.
THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W HAD SET THE PATH TO THE HEAVENLY END FOR MANKIND AND ALL WE HAVE TO TO IS ABIDE BY THE RULES OF THE ‘KITAB SUCI’ ALQURAN AND BE GUIDED BY THE LOGICS OF THE HADITHS…AND A DEFINITE PEACE ON EARTH WILL PREVAIL!
INSYAALLAH.
‘YANG TERSURAT ADALAH PENGETAHUAN DAN YANG TERSIRAT ADALAH ILMU’
BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM,
LA ILAHA IL ALLAH, MUHAMMAD RASUL ALLAH
ALFATIHAH, AMIN.
ps. It’s easier said than done and last but not least, a word of caution.. ‘Beware of the prophet of Doom’..THE SATAN!
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
WE WUD LIKE TO MAKE IT SIMPLE.
SCIENCE CHARTS THE PROGRESS OF THE MANKIND FROM THE DAY ADAM AND EVE WAS CONDEMNED TO EARTH FROM HEAVEN AND WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE DAY THE EARTH STOPS…THE DOOMSDAY
AND THE DAY WILL COME WHEN MANKIND WILL FIND OUT THAT ALL THE SCIENTIFIC FORMULAE WERE BASED FROM …THE ALQURAN, A BOOK THAT MOST NON BELIEVERS BELIEVED IS WRITTEN AND PROPAGATED BY MUHAMMAD IBNI ABDULLAH( DID THEY WONDERED HOW GIFTED THE ILLITERATE WAS? )
AND WHEN MANKIND ACKNOWLEDGED THE ALQURAN AS THE HOLY BOOK OF LIFE THAT ALMIGHTY ALLAH S.W.T DECREED TO MANKIND VIA HIS LAST MESSENGER THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W, ALL PEACEFUL AND LOVING HUMAN BEINGS WILL SURRENDER THEMSELVES TO THE ALMIGHTY AND BE GUIDED BY THE ISLAMIC WAYS OF LIFE IN PURSUIT OF THEIR ULTIMATE WISH…LIFE IN HEAVEN FROM WHERE OUR FIRST FATHER AND MOTHER CAME FROM.
PERHAPS, BY NOW MANY CURIOUS MINDS WUD HAVE WONDERED THAT IN THE SHAHADAH ‘ LA ILAHA IL ALLAH ‘ WERE HIDDEN THE BINARY FIGURES OF ‘0’ AND ‘1’…THE LANGUAGE OF THE COMPUTER!
NOW WONDER FURTHER IN SEARCH OF THE SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGES IN THE ‘HIDDEN FORMULA’ OF CODE 19…AND MILLION MORE ‘HIDDEN FORMULAE’ WHICH EVENTUALLY WILL BE FOUND BY THE LEARNED ONES (SCIENTISTS) TO ‘FACILITATE’ THE HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS.
AND FOR AS LONG AS MANKIND USES ALL THEIR SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND AND NOT FOR DESTRUCTION..THEN MANKIND IS PRACTISING THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE…
WALLAHUALAM.
THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W HAD SET THE PATH TO THE HEAVENLY END FOR MANKIND AND ALL WE HAVE TO TO IS ABIDE BY THE RULES OF THE ‘KITAB SUCI’ ALQURAN AND BE GUIDED BY THE LOGICS OF THE HADITHS…AND A DEFINITE PEACE ON EARTH WILL PREVAIL!
INSYAALLAH.
‘YANG TERSURAT ADALAH PENGETAHUAN DAN YANG TERSIRAT ADALAH ILMU’
BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM,
LA ILAHA IL ALLAH, MUHAMMAD RASUL ALLAH
ALFATIHAH, AMIN.
ps. It’s easier said than done and last but not least, a word of caution.. ‘Beware of the prophet of Doom’..THE SATAN!
Correlation do not imply causation!
“Correlation does not imply causation” is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not automatically imply that one causes the other (though it does not remove the fact that correlation can still be a hint, whether powerful or otherwise). (wiki)
It is not likely that any ‘religion’ can be a significant variable in the development of science.
The essence of science is empirical evidences,testability, verification and repeatability.
Since we cannot perform an actual experiment, lets do one based on thought and each can make their own conclusions.
Let’s say, religion X is claimed to contribute to the development of science at some time in human history, 800 years ago.
If the theory is true, the same results should be able to be repeatable under similar or improved conditions.
What we can do is (as a control) to introduce religion X to countries where its people are almost exactly like Papua New Guinea with improved conditions, e.g. peace of 100 years, freely available $$$, etc.
If the theory that there is a direct significant link between religion X and development of science, then the results of what happened to science, 800 years ago should be repeated.
It is only a thought experiment, but intuitively and based on available scientific and other knowledge, the same results that happened 800 years ago to science is not likely to be repeated.
Why? It is because we make the wrong conclusion on the significant variable(s).
The critical and significant variables that contribute to the development of science was due to the genes, neural networks, age of civilization, intellectual integration, intelligence (IQ) of the people. The Persian civilization dates back to 1500BC. They interacted with the older civilization of the Hindus, Mesotampia, Egyptians and other of similar age and competencies.
It is reasonable to state that there is a very high correlation between Nobel Prize Winners and the age civilization they emerge from.
A holy book and prophets has very insignificant links to the development of science.
Science is neutral and even evil can spur scientific discoveries and inventions, note the rocket and Nazism.
It is not the ideology but the genes and brains of the relevant humans that contribute directly to science.
Science and religion is a very ugly and bad theory.
Infact it was some religion that contributed to the dark ages.
Most theistic religions are suppressive and their more intelligent
people has to expand their rational intellectual capacity quitely.
It is not wrong to Steven Weiberg (Physicist, Nobel Laureate) to state the it is possible for religion to spur good people to do evil.
If hijacked by the wrong set of priests, religion may even stifle science and likely to exterminate humanity from the face of the Earth.
Good science can only come from good genes that are hardwired with the appropriate scientific inclined neural networks.
Exception is only rare savants.
Assalamualaikum Tun,
Memang benar Tun, Orang Melayu cepat sangat lupa. Mereka harus bangga bahawa satu ketika dulu dalam abad yang ke-15 orang orang Muslim Melayu BERSATU bukan sahaja dalam tanah ayernya sendiri, tetapi bersatu dalam satu panji panji Islam sedunia dalam satu sistem pentabiran Islam mengikuti jejak ajaran nabi besar kita nabi Muhammad S.A.W.
Abdullah Munshi sebenarnya bukan wira orang orang Melayu tetapi pengkianat dan pembelot yang bersemuka dengan barat untuk tumpaskan Islam. Lihat disini:
http://www.motivatorpelajar.com/sejarah.ppt
salaam
Dear Tun M and all,
This is off-topic but just to let you know that in the STAR today on page SS8 Seminar & Convention, TONY B-LIAR is invited to appear in Malaysia at 2010 National Achievers Congress in April 2010……………I wonder whether there are no other good speakers on earth to be invited other than this MURDERER and TERRORIST who is wondering freely after what he has done to the Muslims ?????
These Malaysians who invited him do not care about what he has done to the Muslims and so WE MUSLIMS SHOULD UNITE TO BOYCOTT this murderer and terrorist……together with the products from these EVIL COUNTRIES……….
When “Islamic Empire” “fall”, Renaissance took over and Europeans emerges from Dark Ages. Now, there’re some new arguments on what triggers the Renaissance. Gavin Menzies (writer for 1421 and 1434) gives a very good argument on this topic. Perhaps he should also research what triggers “Islamic Renaissance”!
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapt keizinan Tun..
Saudara ezani..I am sorry but I feels obliged to intrude because..
“Tetaplah memberi peringatan..kerana peringatan berguna bagi orang mukmin”..
Surah Az Zariat
[[ezani
Actually from my 40 years life experience, I feel it is easy to quickly stick to a rigid routine in Islam thinking that if you follow this rigid routine everything will be OK.]]
Actually..if you cares to investigates,this statements is not quite true..Iblis in the name of Azazil lords over the Angels..He have performed admirably over thousand akhirat years but in the end..we knows what happened.The same things happened to Bal’am Baru’a..He was blessed with approved doa but a the end..it is husnul khatimah..The point is..we must love Islam truly in our hearts..as truly as humanely possible..” stick to a rigid routine in Islam thinking” is what I believes happened to Iblis and Bal’am..Being abid instead of alim..
[[When you are threatened with a infinite lifetime in Hell, it is easy for people to become very scared and may not even be able to think rationally. Who is not scared of Hell? Who wants to go to Hell? Nobody…not even the bad guys!]]
In sufism..all the sage are willing to go to hell.Actually..we all going to hell over Siratul Mustaqim..
“Tidak sesorang pun kamu melainkan melaluinya” ( Surah Maryam )
“Kami biarkan mereka berlutut di dalam neraka” ( Surah Al Jatsiyah )
And by the Grace of Allah,Allah saves whom Allah please..
[[I believe the key to success for Malaysian Moslems is first to understand Islam from head to toe so that one knows how to apply the rules of halal and haram when faced a specific circumstances and one’s Islamic knowledge in Tauhid, Fiqah, Munaqahat (Domestic & Family Matters) and Mu’amalat (Public, Community and Business/Trading Matters) and Tassawwuf/Tariqat is sound. Then only can one go walkabout on this earth and try to practise a moderate lifestlye and it is highly unlikely one will go astray from The Right Path]]
I respectful disagrees with you in this context.Not may people have the ability to be the “Jack of All Trade”.That’s why, it is fardu kifayah obligation for one muslim to complement each other..
[[I believe one weakness in Malaysia at the moment is the rift between UMNO and PAS, and the secular nature of UMNO. Both parties dabble too much in politics rather that concentrating to establishing the proper Islam on a firm footing in Malaysia and concentrating in the Islamic religion. You find UMNO trading with the West and following Western banking and finance methods (although things has improved a lot now with Islamic banking). Many of my Malay friends has also admitted that many of us are now more aware of Islam and our religion now than a decade ago during the days of agogo, night-clubbing, P Ramlee and Jins Shamsuddin acting in Shaw brothers cinemas!]]
Too true..But Islam is what we wants them to be..to those who only wants to be submitted to Islamic principal in toto..And this since Rasullulah s.a.w are fews in number..
This world does not appear as it seems but we must immediately correct many fundamentals in malaysia right now (i.e. Najib and Mohyiddin as Moslems must correct) :-
(1) Gradually and progressively stop trading with the West and stop implementing a Western system of government
(2) Have resurgence of Islam with true balanced Islamic knowledge. Don’t just hear from our ulamak kampung but invite IIslami scholars from Al-Azhar and Mekka/Madinah to gve talks here
(3) Must improve Government image on Islam. Malay Muslim government officials especially leaders must give shining example of good Muslim
(4) Clean up Government and country assets from riba. Riba-tainted property is all over the place in Malaysia because the Govt has alloweed Jewish banking system and trades with the West. Even our mosques tikar sembahyang many of which are purchased in bulk from Turkey must have used Letter of Credit. This is all UMNO’s fault…tak prihatin agama, to friendly with the Chinese and absolutely kow tow to the West and bringing in the kebudayaan kuning.
Those responsibilities that you mentioned does not exclusively burdened by politician alone.It must be shouldered by Muslim collectively..Unfortunately..this is not what happening today resulting the mess we are in..
Terima kasih Tun..
Salam Tun,
Saya berpendapat faktor utama pembangunan tamadun Islam awal dipacu oleh Al-Quran sendiri. Al-Quran pada ketika itu – kepada mereka yang mempercayainya – merupakan satu kitab yang jelas dan praktikal – manual kehidupan dalam segala bidang. Ia tidak dianggap sebagai Kitab mentera seperti yang diperlakukan oleh umat hari ini.
Saya menulis pandangan-pandangan saya tentang apa yang sebenarnya dibawa oleh Al-Quran. Pandangan-pandangan saya mungkin akan dianggap ekstrim oleh ramai pihak, tetapi dalam keadaan umat Islam yang serba tak kena hari ini, kita kena berani mencari jawapan di luar kotak. Jika selama ini kita hanya menyanyikan Al-Quran, apa salahnya kita cuba memahami Kitab tersebut sebagaimana Tuhan mahu kita memahaminya.
Sampai bila kita harus mencari salah orang lain sedangkan kemungkinannya segala masalah kita sebenarnya datang dari kejahilan kita sendiri.
Berikut adalah beberapa topik yang saya tulis yang mungkin relevan kepada topik Tun kali ini.
1. http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/haji-dan-umra-adalah-penyelidikan-dan-pembangunan/
2. http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/masjid-bermaksud-ketetapan-yang-direstui/
3. http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/kiblat-kita-adalah-batasan-ketetapan-yang-telah-direstui-oleh-tuhan/
Dear Tun,
Good morning.
“Iqraq” meaning read. So the early muslims learned the languages of others to enable them to read scientific texts of others and progress. Later the people of europe learned greek and arabic to learn from the muslim scientist. But in our country, the people are made to learn a language that cannot be used to acquire knowledge that is written in the language of the english. No wonder we are where we are. The Koreans, the Chinese and the Singaporeans have overtaken us.
Dear Tun
may excuse me for a moment
TO DTAN
i admit there exist some flaw in the Tun article but what are actually u say it is wrong is not even mention by Tun..
Tun never denied that the naval related technologies is adopted by the muslim from the orient influences..
muslim on the erly aged of the its spreading prefer to use the more appropriate approach rather than forcing the other to obey under the muslim rule.. totally oppose the typical way of most known human empire/movement in the human history like the chinese, european, christianity etc..
i would like to take the word from john nibkin(coptic bishop)that said(in the muslim invasion on Egypt 639CE);
-Amr ibn as levied tax agreed upon but took nothing from
churches not thru any deed of pillage or spoilation but
protected them thruout his gov
from that, the islam continue to spread.. and it is stay spreading throughout the world..
the military technologies only for defence and for muslim acedemic purpose.. because in islam, gaining knowledge is a must..
until the separation of syiah n sunni 🙁
Salam Tun,
Firstly, Tun, if you could spare a moment, i would like hear your comments on how can we re-solve the
conflict between the truths in science and the truths in religion.
I am talking about razor sharp verifiable truths in science versus deep heartfelt religious truths.
Although they service different departments, widespread use of science and technology, and the universality
concept of religion have made both borderless, and i am not sure who guard the borders.
Religion and traditions are usually in the way of truths, if we are to wake the religiously motivated ones, it might be taken as a rude awakening.
Secondly people may not want to be awaken at all. There is no need to be curious anymore. All answers were given and is said to be contained within the religion. Thus the few hundred years of slumber and decline increased the risk of a heavy fall or shock dramatically. No one likes to be awaken to be told they missed the bus. And indeed, since the bus is missed, we might as well go back to sleep.
Some comments on the feedbacks.
comment By abangikhwan on February 8, 2010 11:58 AM
Hi there,
I tend to disagree with some matter of history that was told in your recent article here.
The decline of the Muslims from their peak power was not due to their negligence of non religious knowledge.
The decline started when the Muslims in Baghdad was attacked by the Mongols. This is during the Abbasiyah era.
Of course, the point of decline differs from one opinion to another.
Your argument is in error. And it is perhaps not a matter of opinion, but a historical fact.
To attribute the decline to an attack is errorneous, especially in the context of history.
In WWII, Japan was attacked, to the point of surrender, but they did not decline progressively, as should have happened if this theory is right. Quite contrary, Japan moved on to become an economic superpower. There are many similar stories in history.
It is very simple. Just tell a student to stop studying at school and at home. And see if they can still make good grades.
comment By al-DinAuthor on February 8, 2010 11:38 AM
There are two prerequisites to enable non-normal (new) science to bloom, firstly knowledge and secondly
the climate that allows constant disproving of hypothesis/ideas/findings to test their robustness and
hence improve upon them.
Science, the word itself, means knowledge. Saying knowledge is required to have knowledge does not shed a
better light to the subject perhaps. As for textbooks style science, yes, that i would agree in full.
That isn’t science at all, they are…textbooks.
The prerequisites to new sciences is the existence of curiosity, and then the pursuit of knowledge to
find the answers. And then to investigate if this answer is a verifiable truth.
And then find more possible answers, for it may not be the only answer.
These answers then develop into proper theories.
And all this in a climate conducive to its growth.
My main point is, this curiosity factor is nearly completely removed here, by some people, maybe many peoples.
The objective of life has become to make money to pay bills, buy better cars, marry and live happily ever after.
An be pious. It probably is stated in the text books as well.
What science ? Cryogenics ? hmmm.
In our quest towards scientific advancement we must work on the basis of truth and reject the untruth.
This etiquette on truth has been expounded more than 2000 years ago by Aristotle (384-322BC), a Greek philosopher
Salam,Tun
fellow reader
i hope Malaysia will not become a “secular” country someday when we have achieved vision 2020.
because looks like we are heading that way…
science is the source of Hidayah if we Think of It islamically,
but it will be just a common knowledge if we only think of 2020
believe it or not, as long as we practice true islam, those corrupted west leaders will surely oppose us,
we will build our own civilization,
teach our sceintist about the true islamic way of life,
before its too late…
Tun,
Dalam soal ini, anda mesti berhati-hati. Sebelum itu biar saya jawab soalan 1. Dunia semakin maju, kehidupan semakin canggih. Sejak wafatnya Nabi Muhammad sehingga Empayar Ottoman Turki, memang dunia Islam sangat maju dan membangun. Tapi permintaan hidup di segala pelusuk dunia semakin kompleks.Banyak ciri-ciri kehidupan sosial telah berubah. Ketiadaan seorang pemimpin ataupun khalifah di dalam dunia Islam telah memberi jalan baru kepada wujudnya fatwa-fatwa dan juga Imam-imam yang menjatuhkan fatwa. Dunia sains menjadi semakin maju dan mula diterokai dengan lebih mendalam. Sesetengahnya telah mencetuskan kontroversi. Begitu juga dengan aspek kehidupan. Masalah-masalah baru wujud mengakibatkan fatwa-fatwa baru yang perlu diperkenalkan untuk menggariskan semula ciri kehidupan yang berkonsepkan islam. Untuk menjamin kesucian agama Islam, banyak perkara yang berkaitan dengan sains yang tidak menepati dengan aspek agama itu terpaksa di tolak walaupun ada cendiakawan di dalam dunia islam ketika itu bersetuju dengan perubahan tersebut. Di situ timbullah permainan politik yang terpaksa diguna pakai oleh pemerintah untuk menjamin mereka. Walaupun sesetengah pemerintah itu setuju untuk menerokai alam sains yang boleh menggugat kesucian agama Islam, tapi atas desakan kedudukan dan politik, mereka lebih rela berdiam diri. Teori Evolusi oleh Charles Darwin sudah tentu tidak boleh diguna pakai oleh negara Islam.
Soalan 3. There shouldn’t be any limit on how much should a muslim read. Ini adalah fenomena yang biasa berlaku di dalam sebuah negara Islam. Kawalan pada bahan bacaan sangat penting untuk menjamin keselamatan fikiran di dalam seseorang Muslim. Namun kebanyakan negara Islam termasuk negara kita sejak pemerintahan anda sudah menjalankan sistem kawalan ini. Anda boleh membaca 1984 karya George Orwell untuk mendapatkan maksud saya ini. Otak manusia ibarat span yang sentiasa boleh menyerap segala bentuk informasi. Kebanyakan negara Islam takut untuk memberikan masyarakatnya mendengar dan membaca idea-idea yang cuba diterapkan sehinggakan ada yang memberi fatwa agar penulis atau pencetus idea itu dihukum mati.
Soalan 4& seterusnya. Dengan adanya kawalan minda itu, masyarakat Islam takut dan tidak lagi berminat untuk mendalami bidang yang mereka minati (sains dan falsafah) yang boleh mengakibatkan mereka kehilangan segala-galanya termasuk nyawa. Jadi dengan itu mereka beralih angin dengan menjadi samada ahli perniagaan, kerja di jabatan kerajaan ataupun hanya menyepi diri. Dengan itu berkuburlah usaha untuk menulis buku tentang Islam, Sains, dan falsafah kerana minat mereka mungkin telah tiada.Ini sekali lagi dapat dilihat di negara kita ini. Pencetus-pencetus idea boleh ditangkap dan di dakwa. Hasilnya kita tidak punyai idealist yang boleh membantu masyarakat kita membangun terutama orang melayu. Apa yang kita boleh baca selain dari KASIH DARI TOKYO ataupun Remp IT.
Jadi di sini kita perlu berhati-hati samada kita membuka ruang untuk subjek-subjek yang dikira taboo oleh masyarakat kita ataupun menutupnya terus agar kesucian agama kita terpelihara. Tetapi secara jujur saya nyatakan, biarlah seseorang itu menentukan jalan hidupnya sendiri. Manusia boleh dan berhak memilih.
Yang terhormat Tun.
Behind science and discoveries: End of a Malay kingdom
The Melaka kingdom or sultanate lasted just slightly over a century (1402-1511). At its establishment period (by Parameswara), world events elsewhere were already in a state of flux with wars and conquests, coronations, explorations and discoveries, inventions, advances in sciences and humanities.
At the onset of the Malay kingdom, Western Europe was undergoing the Renaissance period when arts and architecture flourished at its centre, Venice. The Ming Dynasty was at its zenith especially in sea power. The Ottomans (Turkish) empire was expanding with a great victory at Kosovo in 1389 which gave them control of the Balkans for the next 500 years. The Tartars under Timur, however curbed the Ottomans by conquering Central Asia beginning in 1395.
The look-East policy by a western nation was first initiated when Portuguese navigators, geographers and seamen were encouraged to make expeditions to the East by Prince Henry
Dear Tun Dr.M
This is not the first time I have read & I have always agreed with your idea why we are ‘lagging behind in science & technology’.
There is another problem which will further lead us to nowhere: doomsday. Recently, I received a forwarded e-mail, from ‘Tmn2Surga’, claiming that ‘end of the world’ is near. From the name of this website, it looks as if, they are in a hurry to go to heaven, coaxing people to join them. To make it more realistic, they even edited a photo of a Church, with bull horns in the sky.
This is what they wrote;
MAKLUMAT INI DARI USTAZ XXXXX XXX(famous name withheld), BELIAU BACAKAN ARTIKEL TTG FAKTA BAHAWA PLANET MARIKH (PLANET TERDEKAT DGN BUMI) TELAH MENGALAMI PUSINGAN TERBALIK PADA BULAN SEPTEMBER LEPAS. INI MENUNJUKKAN BAHAWA PLANET YANG BERHAMPIRAN DENGAN PLANET MARIKH JUGA AKAN MENGALAMI KEJADIAN YANG SAMA. MAKA AKAN TERJADILAH KEJADIAN MATAHARI AKAN TIMBUL DARI ARAH BARAT YANG JUGA MERUPAKAN TANDA-TANDA BESAR KIAMAT. PADA MASA ITU JUGALAH PINTU TAUBAT AKAN DITUTUP… KATA PARA ASTRONOMI PLANET, BUMI HANYA TUNGGU MASA SAJA. MAKLUMAT INI TIDAK DIDEDAHKAN SECARA MELUAS DAN TELAH DIHENTIKAN PENYEBARANNYA OLEH ‘NASA’ KERANA IA MENGUNTUNGKAN UMAT ISLAM.. AMBILLAH PERANAN…[istighfa r jom..] wallahu a’lam
Sabda rasulullah s.a.w yang bermaksud… .
” siapa yang bersolat ketika matahari hendak terbenam ….. maka
sebenarnya dia sedang bersolat di antara 2 tanduk iblis”
Therefore, I reply to all the recipients as follows:
Saudara Muslimku sekelian.
Jangan dok percaya benda2 macam ni. Ini yang buat orang Islam lebih ketinggalan di dunia. Bila dah nak kiamat buat apa kerja, belajar & cari duit dll. Hal dunia, kecuali sex, dilupakan. Beranak-pinak macam biasa. Semua beribadat macam nak mati esok. Duit dalam bank, sedekah kat masjid @ pergi Haji, 3, 4x. Tutup peluang orang lain. Tapi perut kena isi juga. Kalau lapar macam mana nak beribadat.
Kalau 100 tahun lagi baru kiamat, macam mana? Masa tu: Orang Melayu > Ramai jadi Ustaz/Ustazah & Ulama. Masjid kena bina banyak2. Kalau tidak, depa nak kerja apa. Lebih banyak Mazhab & fahaman muncul kerana berbeza pandangan, kerana banyak Ulama nak cari makan. Segala dalam Islam di buat kursus untuk kutip yuran. Orang Melayu sudah jadi Arab & bertutur Arab. Kita dok bunuh sesama sendiri, nak tunjuk kat Tuhan yang kita lebih Islam dari orang lain.
Bangsa lain > Doktor, Saintis, Engineer, Architec, Professor, Lawyer, Hakim & PM. Kita hanya tinggal Raja2, kot. Depa pun mungkin dah jadi Ulama, kerana nak hidup & berkuasa. Politik dah di tangan orang lain.
Sepatutnya, bila tau kiamat dah dekat, belajarlah bina kapal angkasa. Kiamat pasti ada, dan Tuhan tak pernah larang kita untuk cuba lari. Tak rugi, kita mati mencuba. Tiada siapa tahu, kiamat sebesar mana. 1 universe kita saja ka? Alam semesta termasuk berbillion bintang di langit ka?
Gambar tanduk tu, siapa yang pandai Adobe Photoshop, senang saja buat. Lepas tu, kenapa Gereja pulak yang di tunjuk. Kalau orang Christian, tengok, depa tak marah ke? Kalau bubuh gambar Masjid kita pulak marah. Ini semua nak melagakan orang Islam & Christian. Bukan semua penganut agama lain memusuhi Islam. Sebelum puak Taliban Afghanistan meletupkan patung Buddha di pergununggan Bamiyan, sebilangan besar orang Buddha, tidak bermusuhi Islam. Dalam kita sudah banyak musuh, mengapakah kita dengan sengaja mahu meramaikan lagi musuh.
Cuba kita fikir.
Terima Kasih
The verse of ‘iqra’ first and foremost is designated to learning the fundamentals of the Islamic religion. This is because without understanding and practing Islam properly, there is no success; neither in this life nor the next.
Secondly, to extend this verse to knowledge pertaining to the world sciences etc. then this is also accepted and a Muslim must have his/her priorities right: Firstly to learn Islam and all necessary branches in order to be able to live and practise as a good Muslim. Secondly to learn all other matters that will aide one’s status and that of the ummah in terms of advancement etc.
So the verse has priorities; it is not right to have Muslims who are experts in various modern fields of study yet they do not pray nor know anything about Islamic belief and principles.
The Qur’an and Sunnah has given the Muslims the prescription for success and has also laid out specific causes and effects if they stray from their religious obligations. One can’t cry foul over the Ummah’s ‘backwardness’ when the same Muslims have forsaken their religion and have embraced haram practises like zina and riba just to name two.
Salam Tun,
Kalau tak silap,pada zaman Nabi Muhammad SAW terdapat golongan orang Islam,kerjanya beramal dan wiret setiap masa di masjid, sedangkan pengikut Islam lain sedang berperang demi untuk menegakkan syiar Islam dan mengerjakan peraturan dan amalan Islam secara nyata dan berupa fisikal.Quran di turun dan ditulis dalam bahasa Arab. Bagitu juga ilmu sains dan matametik ditulis dalam bahasa Arab dimasa itu.Penganut Kristian dan bangsa lain berusaha mempelajari bahasa itu sehingga dapat mempelajari ilmu-ilmu tersebut sapertimana yang Tun nyatakan. Sekarang ini, bahasa Arab tidak lagi merupakan bahasa ilmu utama sebaliknya bahasa Inggeris telah menggantikan bahasa tersebut. Oleh itu untuk mendapatkan ilmu pengetahuan sains dan matematik perlulah menguasai bahasa Inggeris.Kalau hendak buat terjemahan ke bahasa Malaysia, mistilah terlebeh dahulu mahir berbahasa Inggeris dan faham terminologi sains. Itulah yang dibuat oleh penganut Kristian lampau mempelajari bahasa Arab untuk mendapatkan ilmu tersebut.Orang Jepun pula amat kuat buat pemerhatian dan belajar melalui reverse engineering teknologi yang perolihi dan ditiru dari Barat.
Berani saya katakan, sebilangan besar peminat blog Tun pandai Bahasa Malaysia dan di masa sama bijak berbahasa Inggeris.
Sir,
you are my Guru (master guide)
Please publish one comprehensive book on islam-west-n-rest , the past present and future, crisis, debacle, challenges and opportunities and future.
i have followed many of your past speeches and try to digest each and every word spoken by you.
i want to understand the modern world and islam from your perspective and historical back ground.
please sir publish a book in english which may also be available in pdf format over internet.
If you cant manage sufficient time and resources for it, then sir atleast suggest some of good books which we should read.
Thank you sir,
Imtiyaz Ali
Young scientist from India
Thank you for posting your knowledge and information Tun. It truly is a great resource for everyone and those who read. May Allah’s peace & blessings be upon you.
In addition to the points posted by Tun, I believe here are some other points that lead to the decline of the muslim ummah:
1.Colonialism
SALAM BUAT TUN BERDUA MOGA DIRAHMATI ALLAH S.W.T.
1) AGAKNYA YANG MENOLAK SAINS DISEBABKAN NAMA ITU TIDAK ADA DALAM AL QURAN, SEBENARNYA TERDAPAT BANYAK PERKARA SAINS (DIBERI NAMA OLEH MANUSIA) ADA DALAM AL-QURAN.
2) WALAU BAGAIMANA PUN ADA PERKARA-PERKARA YANG DIURAIKAN OLEH AHLI-AHLI SAINS ITU ADA YANG BERTENTANGAN DENGAN KEHENDAK DAN LARI DARI KEJADIAN SEBENAR OLEH YANG MENJADIKANNYA.
3) INI BERMAKNA SAINS HANYA BERASASKAN KEMAMPUAN MANUSIA MEREKA CIPTA MELALUI BERJUTA-JUTA SEL OTAK YANG DIKURNIAKAN OLEH YANG MEMCIPTAKANNYA.
4) JADI SAINS HANYALAH SEBAGAI ALAT UNTUK KEBAIKAN MANUSIA ITU SENDIRI KETIKA BERADA DIBUMI INI. WALAU BAGAIMANA PUN ADA PENEMUAN-PENEMUAN YANG DICIPTA BOLEH JUGA MEMBAWA KEPADA KEBURUKAN.
5) MEMUDAHKAN PEMAHAMAN ILMU SAINS INI MENJADI BERGUNA JIKA IA TIDAK MELUPAKAN KEPADA YANG MENCIPTAKAN SEMUA ISI BUMI INI (ALLAH S.W.T) DAN DAPAT MEMBERI PETUNJUK KEPADA YANG MENGGUNAKANNYA UNTUK SESUATU KEBAIKAN.
6) SESUATU ILMU SAINS YANG MENDALAM MENKAJI ILMU YANG BUKAN CIPTAAN MANUSIA SEPERTI PEMBENTUKAN CAHAYA,WARNA,ANGIN, AIR, ALAM CAKRAWALA, MANUSIA, JUGA YANG TIDAK DAPAT DILIHAT OLEH MATA BOLEH MEMBAWA KEPADA PENEMUAN YANG MENGINSAFKAN KITA AKAN KEBATASAN AKAL MILIK KITA.
7) SEJARAH SAINS KADANG -KADANG SEBAGAI BUKTI KEBENARAN AKAN SESUATU FATWA OLEH KEJADIAN PERISTIWA-PERISTIWA YANG DICERITAKAN DIDALAM AL-QURAN.
8) CUMA KITA LUPA BAHAWA ALLAH S.W.T ITULAH PENCIPTA SEGALA KEJADIAN YANG KITA KENAL SEBAGAI SAINS YANG SEBENARNYA DALAM AL-QURAN DI KENAL ILMU MILIK ALLAH S.W.T.
WALLAHU’ALAM
Dear Tun,
It appears that the spin machinery at Washington Post are hard at work to make Malaysia seem like a one party communist regime in desperate need for an injection of democracy.
Although my view is that our political system here has room for improvement, the way these people describe the situation is just pushing it too far.
I hope you don’t mind me going off topic from the actual blog post, but I feel quite strongly about this, and I know you and any other nationalist would feel the same too.
The article can be viewed here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/06/AR2010020602537.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
Best regards.
even before islam, we can a great engineering from the middle east, east asia, and africa. Only wars torn civilization apart. It is happening in Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan. And yet some people says Muslims are lagging behind in science and technology?
Disini adalah seorang statesman sebenar: Malaysia telah lupakan Tunku, Tunku pun tidak akan kenali Malaysia sekarang. Betul tak?
Here is a real statesman: Malaysia has forgotten Tunku, and Tunku would not recognise Malaysia: Do you agree?
Salam Tun & fellow CheDet’s Bloggers,
I read somewhere, the story about the post-morterm carried out by the Christians Kings & Church on the defeat of the crusaders by the Muslims. The Christians were puzzled how despite their numbers and well-trained & well-equipped armies made up from various European countries could be defeated by groups of ” normadic Arabs” on horses & foot. What Muslims have that they did not have? They sent spies to live among the normadic tribes attempting to find the answer to that puzzles. Reporting on their return, they concluded that as expected, they have superiority in every aspects required to win the battles but the crusaders do not have ONE that the Muslims have – QURAN which gave them the courage and strength of unexplanable height. Having known that fact, strategic action plans were drawn-up by the Christians as how to win the future “battles” – find ways to “take” away the Quran from them. So it was adopted and implemented.
So we can see now how the plan were being executed. They identified 3 categories; the learned ones ( Ulamak), the young ones ( youths )and the middle-age adults. Let divide the ulamaks in their views about Islam ( Mazhab come really handy )and let them fight who is right and who are wrong. Result we have currently the problem with Syiah & Sunni as part of that as a clear example. Lets pollute the minds of their youth with western cultures and worldly things to enjoy so that they have no time to read and understand Quran even they can reject it. And lastly, lets confuse the adults and convince them secularism would the best choice for them in order to enjoy and advance to a better life. So we can clearly witness the current scenerio as their proven success in winning that “battles” through cunning & shrwewed ways. That could sum up the causes why the Muslims are in this current stage.
The answer? Therefore similarly conduct the post-morterm to find the solution. Bring back the “missing” Quran which I believe can be found in the true solution to our saviour, Insya’allah.
May Allah bless us all.
Pandangan saya…apa yg ditulis oleh Tok det betul
Bagi saya sebagai seorang manusia yg beragama islam… kita selalu tersalap anggap dari sudut pemahamam terhadap agama Islam
Kita selalu beranggapan agama kita membatasi kita utk mempelopori atau mempelajari sesuatu bidang dan juga ilmu pengetahuan yg tidak berkaitan dengan islam…..itulah yg berlaku….dan sebab itulah orang beragama islam ramai yg ketinggalan diabad ini….
Pandangan saya utk menjadi seorang islam yg sempurna…kita bukan sahaja mewajibkan diri kita mempercayai Allah….malah kita juga diwajibkan mempercayai Ilmu pengetahuan itu adalah sumber kekuatan sesuatu bangsa…..Al -quran itu sebenarnya hanyalah ilmu pengetahuan yg boleh mengubati jiwa kamu dan didalamnya mempunyai perkataan yg benar dari yg benar…dan jika kamu mengikutinya kamu akan beroleh keuntungan utk diri kamu sendiri …. dan kamu mendapat minda rahmat atau cahaya rahmat dari tuhanmu jikalau kamu mengetahuinya……..
jika kamu mempelajari ilmu selain Al-quran ianya tidaklah menjadi satu kesalahan walaupun ianya tidak terdapat didalam Al-quran…..kerana Allah hanya menilai siapa diantara kamu yg paling baik pekerjaannya dimuka bumi ini…….Disisi tuhan orang yg baik itu ialah orang yang boleh memberi kebaikan kepada orang lain…dan dimana sahaja ia berpijak……pasti kebaikan ada bersamanya dan mereka itu takut kepada tuhannya serta taat kepada nabinya
Kerana apa ……kerana Pengetahuannya……
Direct religious knowledge can make faster money & power than those non-religious knowledge. So they have given up non-religious knowledge & goes for direct religious related knowledge. non-religious knowledge such as science formula always tell the TRUTH, where direct religious are blur & can easily manipulate from the TRUTH to gain costless power.
YABhg Tun’
We are indeed still behind (not to mention the word LACKING)is due to fact that our realisation came into being when the gap has been too wide to chase! Our scientist are handful by now and to narrow down the gap is evitable as long as we dont have the repeating disorientated ulamas and ‘political gurkas’ that today said something and the next day said something else as far as the unity and ‘off-shore-oil’ is concern !
Dear sir
I am not sure it is a great thing to muslim or malays, for you to keep on motivating or leaving them in an unrealistic world. Thinking they are one of the greatest race of mankind.
If it is not because of your continuos motivation of “Malaysia boleh” or so to speak ” malay boleh”, we would not be so divided today.
we will not have so many little malay napoleaon. You have created such market politically.
These are the thing you left for this country besides all the highways and towers. It is you that make our current PM, Najib cannot focus on economic reform.
Sir, if your arguement for the above stand, then the chinese would be the first to blame the west for taking their innovation ( paper , etc etc)
Chinese would be the greatest race in the world, look at how many thing ( like tea )in other country like Japan were originally from China.
But… is chinese the greatest race ? no ! the real fact is …china is a third world country, a poor and dirty country.
Wake up sir, go down to the earth like Zaid , Najib and Razaleigh. Work from scratch. Stop asking for help. That is the way for the Malay race to prosper.
I apologise if some of the malay feel unconfortable with my thinking. It is time for the Malaysian to hear the truth, see the truth. Enough of imagination
Thnak you
a true malaysian
sam
dear tun and readers,
thus, we need to start some where, tun already did something so why don’t we… http://kerjaya-muslim.blogspot.com/
Salam Tun,
One of the problems that is dividing the country generally and the Ummah specifically in my opinion is also the legacy caused by our past Penjajah’s policy of Divide and Conquer. DS Najib is fortunately heading the right way way with his 1Malaysia concept but more needs to be done.
The education system is the best place to start changing. A 1School stream must be reintroduced and the Govt must have the political will to see it through. It will take at at least 20 years for us to actually see the change. We cant afford to continue to divide ourselves as we are doing now. We will be easy pickings for others who just hate us for the peace and harmony that we have achieved so far…..
Saya teringat surah al al-ashr: Demi masa,[1]. Sesungguhnya manusia itu benar-benar berada dalam kerugian,[2]. kecuali orang-orang yang beriman dan mengerjakan amal saleh dan nasehat menasehati supaya mentaati kebenaran dan nasihat menasihati supaya menetapi kesabaran.
Tun,
I find the parallelism in Paragraph 8 very deep 😉 and very close to home.
Salam Tun,
Ini adalah pandangan Tun sendiri. Kejayaan sebenar adalah dalam mentaati perintah Allah SWT dan meninggalkan laranganNya seperti ditunjukan oleh Rasulullah SAW.
Para sahabat RA telah berjaya. Jika dibaca kisah para sahabat RA seperti ditulis oleh mashaikh yang mursyid, kita dapati mereka telah melakukan sesuatu yang membatasi hukum alam.
Seperti orang musyrik membuat cerita-cerita karut seperti Lord Of The Ring, X-Men dan sebagainya. Mengatakan manusia mempunyai kuasa yang luar biasa. Sebenarnya kuasa-kuasa seperti itu telah diperoleh oleh para sahabat RA.
Ini adalah kerana keyakinan para sahabat RA kepada Allah SWT amat tinggi sehingga Allah SWT membantu para sahabat RA ketika memerlukan.
Keyakinan yang amat tinggi inilah membuatkan para sahabat RA dapat mengalahkan tentera musryik yang berjumlah lebih besar. Para sahabat RA telah menawan kota Rom dan Parsi yang mempunyai tamadun yang beribu tahun.
Sesuatu yang tidak masuk akal.
Oleh itu, kita mesti meyakini segalanya dari Allah SWT. Kekuatan, kebijaksanaan, kebesaran, kelemahan, ketidakpandaian, kehinaan segalanya dari Allah SWT.
Allah SWT boleh menjadikan sesuatu dengan bersebab, tanpa bersebab, dan berlawanan dengan sebab.
Keyakinan inilah kita kena usaha.
Wasalam.
In the documentary “Science and Islam” in the History Channel, there is also a point of view where not many people know about it. Around the 15th century, the European manage to produce movable type printing machine (thanks to Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg) and the European can copies book more neatly, more quickly, more efficiently and more productively (mass production). However, the typesetting (font) for Arabic script is very hard to implement by using that movable type printing machine, and when the Islamic scholars print the first “machine-printed” Koran, the result was very ugly and they feel unsastified with the result. Since then, people saw the disadvantages of Arabic script and they quickly switch to Latin (as alternative). Latin is far more easier to print (and to learn). Therefore, people start to translate Arabic materials to Latin. European scholars produce their research about science, physics, mathematics, and others all in Latin.
Dear Tun,
Prophet Mohammad was born in Mekah 570 A.D. During this time the
Byzantine empire covered up to Syria to the west and Persian Empire to the East. Arabia was sparsely populated desert, except for Mekah which was too far and insignificant for the Roman of Byzantine Empire or the Persian to conquer. Muslim indeed had ‘muslim Empire’ after the Prophet wafat. The Muslim army under the command of Saifullah Khalid ibn Walid defeated the Roman army in Syria and Persian army were also defeated to the East. During the time of Prophet Mohammad and his Companions Abu Bakar, Omar, Uthman, Ali and Muawiyah Islam was at its peak. Khalid fought more than 40 major and minor battles and won all the battles completely. They managed to do this because they followed the teaching of the revealed knowledge of the holy Quran and the examples(sunnah) shown by our great Prophet Mohammad, the greatest of men ever born.
During pre islam, the Quraish of Mekah practised idol worship and preoccupied with material wealth only. They did not believe the existence of akhirat. In islam there is no West or east or no race or assabiah. There is only islam or kafir. It is all a different value system. islam is not racist. Islam is the only religion and for everybody , East or West. To be continued with Tun’s permission.
amin tan
Dr Mahathir,
Sir,
In what went wrong,… ~ Bernard Lewis makes a compelling case that
it was the early successes of the Muslims that planted the seeds
of their own decline. Islams’ hegemony in the Dark Ages made it
treacherous if not impossible for European Traders. They found a way
to circumvent the Islamic world altogether. How? by developing naval
and navigation technologies. Thanks to the Chinese, learned about
gun-powder, explosives and medicines throughout the Orient. Risk and
Innovation propelled them forward. In the meantime for three hundred
years. Muslims had no idea that the world was moving forward and continued
to regard the Europeans as infidels and barbarians.
I would add, the exchange of ideas in Muslim courtyards (Majilis)
was where engineering and technology concepts flourished. It is unfortunate
that as you said, ‘fatwas’ stymied the Muslim world as a whole. It
was the Italians. The Roman Catholic Church that established the
first University in Bologna in 1290.
Tun
I regard this simple article as your best post after that on outlawing speculative trading in foreign currency, futures in commodities etc., artificial derivative products, over gearing practices of banks and the tyranny of large hedge funds.
It’s important for M’sians to realise that it was the Muslim scholars who translated old Greek texts, especially those on Maths (Euclid and others), Astronomy, Science and Philosophy. Therein is a priceless contribution to the Renaissance period in Western history (from which they never looked back and to the current wealth and store of knowledge, not to mention the golbal emphasis on EDUCATION and knowledge.
It’s a pity that a Fatwa was issued in the 15th century pretty much put an end to the Arab world’s thirst for knowledge, leading to stagnation in their contribution to the Sciences and Arts.
Now, our own new Minister for Education has abandoned the teaching of Science and Maths in English which will in turn impinge adversely directly on our students’ ability to be globally competitive, including taking advantage of the internet. I believe the Minister took a doctrinaire approach to suddenly put a halt to an experiment that was not give sufficient time to run its course and produce the desired results; he pandered to the wild call of UMNO right wing politicians while deliberately ignoring the wishes of millions of other M’sians throughout the nation.
Few (really only a handful)today object to BM being the national language or its wide spread usage in the school and tertiary education curricula. Equally, we have a duty to provide our children with the best possible schooling and education experience that can secure them a fruitful and well remunerated job, locally and internationally.
Perhaps you should use your influence wisely to call for a National Referendum on this issue. Whichever way the result goes, all should accept the wishes of the majority and move on!!
dpp
We are all of 1 race, the Human race
i’m 20 years old.still young for the world.it is a new knowledge from this post.i am totally agree the connection between religious and knowledge
I think Tun less information about islamic state (Khilafah) – http://www.khilafah.com – thats why Tun can said “(there never was an Islamic empire in the sense of the other Empires – only an Islamic community – the Ummah)”
Why can’t we all be just be people? why do we have to look at things from point of race, religion, country. Why not just from point of view of a person? Looking from space, it is just people one can see irrespective of their religion. Humanism is the biggest religion of all. Treat others as you will like to be treated.
The Europeans have the Renaissance 500 years ago. They have transformed their religion. They have allowed the intellect to be free. But not in Islam. The religion claimed total dominance, absolute truth and does not tolerate an open mind. These are dark forces that refuse to debate, prescribe death for anyone daring to question, demand subservience from followers and everyone else.
For progress to happen a brave voice here and a lone voice there and a Marina rambling away somewhere is not enough. You need a huge pool of brave people to propose, counter propose, to refine and reshape. If one gets cut down, others will rise. A large pool will allow for the best to rise to the top. Using Islam as the justification there is no place for protest. Like it or not people are shaped by what they repeatedly say they believe. Thus the leader with an Islamic background are demanding more than loyalty, they demand total subservience.
This constant harping back to Islamic civilization and empire is wishful thinking! We dont hear Italians talking about the Roman Empire or the Chinese reminiscing their Chin Dynasty or the Mongolians or the Indians talking about their old emperors. They are all gone! We are living in a global age, we want to build relationships and community. We are one. We want to share ideas and progress. While on the one hand Tun wants to outlaw war, you are still holding steadfast to your “malayness”. You are promoting and supporting people like Ibrahim Ali and Perkasa. These people want slaves not men to be their compatriots. They are drawing strength from you. While Islam is supposed to be universal yet the followers exhibit tribalism and racial superiority. So what hope is there? And when anybody dare raise a voice……
So..there is no chance Tun.
I had one last hope that sometime during your premiership you would renounce your adopted Malayness and make everyone Malaysian. That would have been your ultimate achievement. That would have made you a true giant among men. You might be able to stand beside Mendela and he will recognize as a fellowman.What a waste!
salam Tun,
gud article!
take a gud care of yourself Tun
danke!
Assalamu’alaikum Warahmatullah Dear Tun,
I couldn’t agree more Sir…..This time you have touched the understanding of Islam by a lot of
Islamic scholars of the past as well as the present in which divides and separates the knowledge into
the secular and the religious ones…If we were to read (Iqra’) and look at the Quran deeply and
thoroughly, we shall find a lot of fundamental scientific and mathematical theories and
knowledge….For example, If I may Quote, the Chapter Yunus: 3-6,
3. Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (Istawa) the throne, disposing the affair of all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave. That is Allah, your Lord; so worship Him (Alone). Then will you not remember?
4. To Him is the return of all of you. The promise of Allah is true. It is He Who begins the creation and then will repeat it, that He may reward justice those who believed and did deeds of righteousness. But those who disbelieved will have a drink of boiling fluids and painful torment because they used to disbelieved.
5. It is He who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out for it stages that you might know the numbers of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create this but in truth. He explains the Ayat ( proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs revelations, etc.) in detail for people who have knowledge.
6. Verily, in the alteration of the night and the day and in all that Allah has created in the heavens and the earth are Ayat (Proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) for those people who keep their duty to Allah, and fear Him much.
So, clearly in these verses, the fundamental theories of Astronomy, Biology and History of the
Universe have been mentioned…There are lot of other examples in the Quran in which covers a lot of
other fields of knowledge besides the religious knowledge….the diffrence between Ibn Sina, Ibn
Assalam’kom Tun & CheDet’s fellowbloggers,
Sebagaimana yg saya selalu sebutkan tentang pesan Nabi SAW ” Aku tinggalkan kalian 2 perkara – Quran & Sunnahku. Jika kalian rujuk kepada 2 perkara ini, kalian tidak akan sesat selama2nya, di dunia & di akhirat”.
Untuk pengetahuan semua, saya mula mempersoalkan isu agama Islam bila saya berada di Mekah ketika menunaikan ibadah Haji ketika berumur 42 tahun. Sebelum itu saya tidak mempersoalkan lansung dan saya menjadi penganut yg taat sebagaimana yg telah diajar & ditunjukkan olih ibubapa, datok nenek, uztaz & uztaz tanpa mempersoalkan apa2. Jika tak paham, tanya dan terima bulat2 apa jawapan yg diberi.
Ketika di Mekah, dengan hidayah Allah SWT, saya mula bertanya banyak perkara atas pelbagaian amalan dan pendapat tentang Islam. Kebanyakan jawapan2 yg diberi biasanya tidak meyakinkan saya kebenarannya atas dasar:
ALLAH itu SATU dan dengan sifat2 kebesaran, kesucian & kemuliaannya, telah menyempurnakan ISLAM sebagai agama yg Allah terima. ALLAH turunkan NABI SAW sebagai RASUL terakhir untuk memimpin manusia ke jalan Allah, ALLAH turunkan QURAN yg Allah lindungi kebenaran kandungannya untuk menjadi panduan manusia. Jadi dimana kesilapannya yg menjadikan kedudukan Islam dan umatnya sekarang ini sunnguh rendah, sanggup bunuh membunuh sama sendiri, dan diperhinakan olih bukan islam sedemikan rupa?
10 tahun kemudian baru saya dapat jawapannya. Tun telah pun memberi sebahagian jawapannya. Tindakan sekarang ini ialah menyeru umat Islam supaya balik merujuk kepada pesannan Nabi SAW di atas.
ALLAH perentah supaya kita berpegang kepada “tali ALLAH” bersatu jangan perpecah belah, Kita langgar dengan konsep mazhab dan kuasa kenegaraan. Allah perentah supaya kita jangan mengamalkan sesuatu yang kamu tidak ada ilmunya, kita langgar hanya kerana kuasa dan nafsu yg ditaja olih syaitan. Allah perentah kita mendekatiNYA dengan mengamalkan ibadah2 yg di perjelaskan saperti solat 5 waktu dll supaya dapat pertolongan dan perlindungan Allah, tapi kita lalai. Allah suruh kita berdoalah kepada NYA maka akan ALLAH perkenankan, kita abaikan perentahnya tapi mengharapkan segala2nya dari ALLAH. Itu sifat orang2 Yahudi yg Allah laknati. setiap hari kita solat dan baca Alfatiha dan memminta pertunjuk dari Allah tapi kita tak paham ke apa yg dibaca?
Olih itu berbaliklah kepada Quran dan Hadith yg mengandungi banyak Ilmu untuk DUNIA dan AKHIRAT. Jadikan Nabi SAW sebagai icon kita. Cara? Perluaskan ngaji Quran & hadith. Tapi sayang kita telah dikejutkan dengan larangan dari jabatan agama JAIS melarang sesiapa untuk menyampaikan ilmu Quran & Hadith tanpa tauliah. Inilah puncanya yg terdekat dengan kita yg membantutkan Islam untuk berkembang dan dimertabatkan. Kita diperentahkan Allah supaya menyampaikan kepada sesiapa sungguh pun sepotong ayat ( Quran ). Tapi JAIS lebih berkuasa untuk menentukan siapa yg bolih menyampaikan. Pada keseluruhannya, Islam sekarang telah politikkan ( kuasa ) dan dikemersialkan ( keuntungan biz)
Olih demikian, nasihat dari saya yang tak siapa ni pun supaya kita semua mulai mengaji Quran & Hadith, untuk diPAHAMI dan diAMALI bukan untuk dikatham, diperlagukan, atau dihafal sahaja sebagai hiasan dan kebanggaan.
Kalau berminat layarailah http://www.yayasan-ilmu.blogspot.com untuk sekurang2nya memahami banyak perkara yg memerlukan jawapan. Atau hubungi saya di [email protected]
Semuga Allah memberi kita petunjuk/hidayah, segala nikmat kesihatan,kebahagian,ketenangan fikiran,keselamatan dan kekayaan harta dan minda. Ameen…
Agreed. I believe education and knowledge is the only way to open your minds and to move forward in life.
Assalamu’alaikum Warahmatullah Dear Tun,
I couldn’t agree more Sir…..This time you have touched the understanding of Islam by a lot of
Islamic scholars of the past as well as the present in which divides and separates the knowledge into
the secular and the religious ones…If we were to read (Iqra’) and look at the Quran deeply and
thoroughly, we shall find a lot of fundamental scientific and mathematical theories and
knowledge….For example, If I may Quote, the Chapter Yunus: 3-6,
3. Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (Istawa) the throne, disposing the affair of all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave. That is Allah, your Lord; so worship Him (Alone). Then will you not remember?
4. To Him is the return of all of you. The promise of Allah is true. It is He Who begins the creation and then will repeat it, that He may reward justice those who believed and did deeds of righteousness. But those who disbelieved will have a drink of boiling fluids and painful torment because they used to disbelieved.
5. It is He who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out for it stages that you might know the numbers of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create this but in truth. He explains the Ayat ( proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs revelations, etc.) in detail for people who have knowledge.
6. Verily, in the alteration of the night and the day and in all that Allah has created in the heavens and the earth are Ayat (Proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) for those people who keep their duty to Allah, and fear Him much.
So, clearly in these verses, the fundamental theories of Astronomy, Biology and History of the
Universe have been mentioned…There are lot of other examples in the Quran in which covers a lot of
other fields of knowledge besides the religious knowledge….the diffrence between Ibn Sina, Ibn
Khaldun and al Khwarizmi (Just to name a few) is that they took the trouble to further the research of
the knowledge that have been mentioned in the Quran. So Iqra’ in this sense has been interpreted
and elaborated by these excellent scholars into the field of research and development. Now, I believe
we can clearly see the importance of good and right translation, interpretation, perspective and also
the understanding of the Quran. I also believe this can be taken into another level where the
responsible bodies could really make a serious effort to study, learn, analyze, research and
developed all the theories and fields of knowledge/studies that contains in the Mighty Book of
Quran.
Finally i Am able to say hello to your kind self TUN. I was having a tough time logging in.
After reading much of your entries in your blog i understand why you do or say most of what you do in Public. I have a better understanding for your Reasons.
This latest entry is another good example. How you see the way history unfolds itself is amazing. The way i see it is completely different. Are either of us right or wrong. No. It’s just a different perspective. And that is needed for growth.
But your article has highlighted how being closed minded has led to the ignorance of a once great Nation. Ignorance and Fear. Dare we learn from this ‘Page in History’, or do we Just make up our own Assumptions and walk around in Ignorance. Do we Have the Strength and courage to question the ‘Powers that Be’?
Hi there,
I tend to disagree with some matter of history that was told in your recent article here.
The decline of the Muslims from their peak power was not due to their negligence of non religious knowledge.
The decline started when the Muslims in Baghdad was attacked by the Mongols. This is during the Abbasiyah era.
Of course, the point of decline differs from one opinion to another.
And the decline became more serious when the Muslims began to act like non Muslims.
I do believe that you can get an even better explanation from a historian or an ulamak.
Regards
Salam Tun,
Al-quran without science is deaf…
Science without al-quran is blind….
I believed Islam is technology while al-quran is the manual…
Those ulama’s who made the fatwa definatly those who are deaf….
Salam Dr. Mahathir,
I would like to thank Allah that there is a muslim leader like Dr. Mahathir. Sir, you always inspire us.
Salam Tun,
Science, professionalism, and frauds
The practice of normal science or textbook science will not bring us to the frontier of technology. There are two prerequisites to enable non-normal (new) science to bloom, firstly knowledge and secondly the climate that allows constant disproving of hypothesis/ideas/findings to test their robustness and hence improve upon them.
Science is not the ultimate truth. We are using science to get closer to the truth. That is the dogma of science and a paradigm that scientists have to reconcile with. To quote Professor Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Atas in his book Islam and the Philosophy of Science stated that
Salam Tun
Actually from my 40 years life experience, I feel it is easy to quickly stick to a rigid routine in Islam thinking that if you follow this rigid routine everything will be OK. When you are threatened with a infinite lifetime in Hell, it is easy for people to become very scared and may not even be able to think rationally. Who is not scared of Hell? Who wants to go to Hell? Nobody…not even the bad guys!
However, it is very important to lead a moderate and tolerant lifestyle because the demands of God through Islam is not just one-time only but kita kena beribadat in a consistent and persistent manner (beristiqamah). Throughout our life, we are subject to many trials and tribulations and it may not be easy (nor possible) to maintain a perfect staate of ibadat from baligh to death.
In this light, it is good to review the lifestyle of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). His lifestyle is varied and the Prophet is not one who just stays, eat and sleep in the mosque 24 hours a day from Prophethood to death. The Prophet has fought battles, shortened prayers (at Allah’s Command) to 2 rakaat in battle, perhaps spent 10 and 20 days (upon year of his death) in the mosque full time during Ramadhan, fasts regularly but the Prophet has never been fanatic or extreme about Islam. Yes, his tahajjud is inifitely much better than ours since he can finish Baqarah and up to half of Ali Imran but we have never heard the Prophet to such extreme of finished the whole Quran in one night!
I believe the key to success for Malaysian Moslems is first to understand Islam from head to toe so that one knows how to apply the rules of halal and haram when faced a specific circumstances and one’s Islamic knowledge in Tauhid, Fiqah, Munaqahat (Domestic & Family Matters) and Mu’amalat (Public, Community and Business/Trading Matters) and Tassawwuf/Tariqat is sound. Then only can one go walkabout on this earth and try to practise a moderate lifestlye and it is highly unlikely one will go astray from The Right Path.
I believe one weakness in Malaysia at the moment is the rift between UMNO and PAS, and the secular nature of UMNO. Both parties dabble too much in politics rather that concentrating to establishing the proper Islam on a firm footing in Malaysia and concentrating in the Islamic religion. You find UMNO trading with the West and following Western banking and finance methods (although things has improved a lot now with Islamic banking). Many of my Malay friends has also admitted that many of us are now more aware of Islam and our religion now than a decade ago during the days of agogo, night-clubbing, P Ramlee and Jins Shamsuddin acting in Shaw brothers cinemas!
What has happened in the Arab countries is also another matter to ponder. They only appear to be united but we have seen what Hosni Mobarak has done to our malaysian doctors in Mercy Malaysia when trying to help our Palestinian friends.
This world does not appear as it seems but we must immediately correct many fundamentals in malaysia right now (i.e. Najib and Mohyiddin as Moslems must correct) :-
(1) Gradually and progressively stop trading with the West and stop implementing a Western system of government
(2) Have resurgence of Islam with true balanced Islamic knowledge. Don’t just hear from our ulamak kampung but invite IIslami scholars from Al-Azhar and Mekka/Madinah to gve talks here
(3) Must improve Government image on Islam. Malay Muslim government officials especially leaders must give shining example of good Muslim
(4) Clean up Government and country assets from riba. Riba-tainted property is all over the place in Malaysia because the Govt has alloweed Jewish banking system and trades with the West. Even our mosques tikar sembahyang many of which are purchased in bulk from Turkey must have used Letter of Credit. This is all UMNO’s fault…tak prihatin agama, to friendly with the Chinese and absolutely kow tow to the West and bringing in the kebudayaan kuning.
Too many Muslims have narrow intrepretation of Islam. It’s either you apply all of it or non-of it. This ultimatum they offered to leaders is not facilitating effective decision making especially in todays highly globalized world.
I think religion never gets in the way of something good, only a narrow intrepretation of Islam coupled with the ignorance of today’s issues limits our integration of the Muslim Faith with our current issues…
salam tun….
semoga tun berdua dalam keadaan sihat…
saya cuma nak dengar pandangan tun mengenai isu terkini…
nik aziz nak ajak umno berbincang mengenai islam…
saya pun tak paham la depa ni….
dulu kata umno tak islam… depa islam…
dulu kata umno masuk neraka depa masuk sorga…..
la ni nak bincang apa lagi…
buat apa bincang dengan orang yang depa kata tak masuk sorga…
dan yang lebih heran bila ramai pemimpin umno sibuk nak jawab….
pi la jaga rakyat…
tak payah la dok sibuk ngan nik aziz ni….
kata nak bincang ngan umno pasai islam tapi syarat kena ada pkr dan dap….
pkr tu boleh terima lagi la…
yang dap dok tentang penubuhan negara islam tu pun nak bawak buat apa….
kalau tentang penubuhan negara islam… agak agak depa tentang tak islam?
nak bawak dua orang wakil dap yang boleh baca ayat quran tu sekali ka…
nak tunjuk walau depa tak islam depa boleh baca quran kat umno kot…
orang umno bukan tak tau cara nik aziz ni….
buat tak tau sudahla….jangan dok layan sangat…
dulu dulu dia ada pelawa jugak…
tengah sibuk geng umno dok seronok nak jadi juara layan dia..
tiba- tiba dia ‘sentot’ kata tak mau…
pi jahanamlah umno….
dan macam macam lagi…
hangpa tak ingat ka…
jadikan iktibar….
jangan dok jadi beruk mak yeh…
nanti kena juih dengan nik aziz baru termonyeh-monyeh….
jaga diri tun…
Dear Tun,
My comments may not related to this but i just feel like to alert the ringing alarm on whats going to happen to our future children education..Tun..was a Minister of Education so my concern would be understood easyly by your good self…Concern matters..FROM 70’s TO 90’s percentage of student getting A and past exam through self study and school teaching was excerlent but from 95 to date the trend for parents to send their children for extra class or tuition is “SCARY”..WHY ?..where do we went wrong..60% of students could not get through without extra teaching and this are some burdens to some low income family..lET’S put this a side..in this time of century with high tech teaching facilities how could we not achiving better teaching methotds or teaching methods that could overcome this..WHERE DO WE WHEN WRONG..TEACHERS,EDUCATION SYSTEM,STUDENTS or PARENTS ????..
Is school just a pupet figure ? Why should i send my kids to school when he needs extra teaching after school ? Is it my kids are too slow in understanding ? Is it teachers are too relax and just follow the system ? Well their so many question that is coming if we could brain storm this ?WHO SHOULD WE BLAIM….OR HOW WE COULD OVERCOME THIS….
IN FUTURE… EVERY STUDENT WILL STUDY IN CENTER AND GO TO SCHOOL JUST TO SIT FOR EXAM..WELL MAYBE THIS COULD HAPPEN..???
THANK YOU
May god bless you with good health and long live…Tun
Regards
db kumar
Assalamualaikum Tun.
Hos satu dokumentari pasal sejarah ketamadunan Islam telah berkata bahawa kita tidak perlu malu untuk mengaku dari mana ilmu ketamadunan itu datang kerana ilmu adalah kepunyaan semua ketamadunan.
Seperti yang diceritakan oleh Tun ini.Dari tamadun lain umat Islam belajar dan dari tamadun Islam juga tamadun Eropah belajar.Pi Mai Pi Mai Tang Tu.
Dulu ada perkara berkenaan perubahan pergerakan orbit yang telah diciplak dari buku sains Islam,tapi ada seorang ahli saintis Islam yang berusaha menyahut cabaran untuk membuktikan bahawa pendapat itu adalah salah.
Buktikan dengan kehebatan pengetahuan, bukan dengan tuduhan menciplak dan buat bising satu dunia tentang keburukan penciplak.Sampaikan apa kesudahan masalah ini?
Lebih baik minum teh dengan PM.
Terima kasih Tun.
Dearest Tun,
I have been hoping (all these years) that those religious schools (tahfiz, madrasah etc) could produce scientists. Islam and science is connected unlike other religion(s). My hope strengthen with Muhyiddin Yassin as the current education minister and a new personale who is well known as a “pendakwah” and a non political person as the Minister in the Prime Minister’s department. I may sound an idealistic but I believe there is room for an idealistic person like me in this country. I believe it is about time that the Muslim community especially in Malaysia to embrace Islam as a way of living, starting from minor things such as the manners in aeting, visiting etc and caring for neighbours.
Salam Tun, Hope both of you be in a very healthy condition…
May the day which come forward lead us to a new era of Science and Islam…
This is the next brief, simple but yet meaningful explanation from you about the situation asked by the commentator, from which you have already ‘speak’ bout it before this… I’m following your blog from the beginning of it up until now and will always continue doing it…
Hoping that the ‘specific’ commentator understand the answer that you give but at the same time a lot more viewers will open their mind about this issue… It’s about time, supposedly long time ago that we, Malaysian’s Muslim, should already open up our mind and take the issue as well as the positive side of it for us to be more respected and well received in such area…
I’m currently trying to make myself understand the philosophy and history behind all this ‘Science and Islam’… Hope to hear more from you about this topic, especially on how we, the Malaysian’s Muslim can improve ourself yet be visible in this arena…
All the best to you Sir, which I can get a chance to personally met you, along with a lot more whose same as me, dreaming off meeting our idol…
p/s : Like’ the idea propose by our 6th Prime Minister in meeting his so called the ‘online’ supporters through the Tea Time Talked… Looking forward for it…
Assalamualaikum wrt buat ayahanda dan bonda.
1. Very well explaination, Tun. I just hope that your message can be heard to all muslim in the world. Just like you said, I think Malaysia should take Iran as an example for science and technology. Iran, as the world know, became the ninth country in the world sent their own satellite by using their own technology at their own launcher. But Malaysia still need to borrow outsider’s technology to launch our satellite. Compare to Iran, our economy probably wouldn’t support us to build our rocket launcher. But as time passed, Iran which has went under the war with Iraq, saw boost advancement in science and technology. It is proven when the number of publication on scientific research has increased tenfold which ranked first in the world. Most Iranian scientists publish their journals with high impact factor which proven to show that Iran has the quality and equality in science and technology and recognized by the world.
2. These journals mostly are not written in Arabic language or Persian language or other language but they are all in English language. If our journals in scientific research were written in Bahasa Melayu, I wonder, could the world recognize us; Malaysia as leading country in science and technology. But, I think, even if we write those journals in English, we still need more efforts in order to be a leading country in science and technology. Just now, the science and math has been reverted into Bahasa Melayu as medium language for teaching those subjects, I believe I share with your opinion, our country has taken a wrong path to move forward as developed country in 2020.
3. BN would see the future, people especially from educated ones will support them for no more. I’m afraid if PKR leads this country. But, for UMNO, it’s over. I just can pray to Allah so that our beloved country will go to the right path in the future.