1. I heard from someone that a certain Muslim country has disallowed Swiss Airlines to fly there because a cross is on the tail of the aircraft. The Swiss flag has a white cross on a red background. This was to retaliate against Switzerland’s ban on building minarets for mosques in that country. There are altogether four mosques in the whole of Switzerland.
2. Intolerance simply invites intolerance.
3. What next?
Tun
You’re very up -to-date abt the muslim country’s ban on Swiss airline.I’ve not read or heard abt that.
We should not think of retaliation but live & let live which is better.
The whole world can accept moderate Islam.
RT
Yang Berbahagia, Berhormat Tun Dr.Mahathir;
Seandainya jika ada bangsa yang paling baik hati di dunia, itulah bangsa Melayu. Kerana bangsa2 lain sihat dan sejahtera hidup di bumi Melayu dan ada pula bangsa asing yang memperkukohkan kedaulatan mereka di sebuah pulau Selatan Tanah Melayu. Apakah kita boleh menduduki dan berkuasa di pulau Tanah Besar Ch….? atau kepulauan nya? Sudah tentu tidak. Pasti kita telah diperangi dan diusir seperti haiwan.Namun puak ini bermaharaja lela dan memperluaskan pengaruh mereka marampas batu kecil di Lautan Samudera Pertiwa dan utara Tanah Melayu dengan anasir2 dan talibarut mereka. Sungguh menyedihkan. Di sebalik tertawa dan senyum mereka bersama Raja2 dan Kepala Negeru Melayu, di hati mereka penuh dendam dam khianat ingin merampas hak kita..Saya sangat sedih dan Hairan…kenapa orang2 Melayu maseh ingin berbaik2 dan berurusan dengan lanun2 asing yang bertopengkan senyuman serta berpejabat dan berpakaian coat dan tali leher? Sedangkan masyarakat Melayu di negeri itu di lontarkan seperti sampah. Apakah orang2 Melayu di Tanah Besar Melayu tidak sadar bahwa ini adalah suatu penghinaan juga kepada umat Melayu sejagat? Apakah Melayu mudah lupa atau ME_LAYU dengan sengaja atau lemah terhadap kaum penjajah itu. Masyarak Melayu yang lemah di pulau itu perlu kan bantuan untuk menjatohkan kezaliman2 itu. Apakah akan tercapai dan terlaksa bantuan yang diharapkan? Atau tetap tak kunjung tiba?
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
By S..Tan on March 25, 2010 1:33 AM
…
Thank you for the insight into your thoughts sdr ‘wajaperak’ on March 24, 2010 4:44 PM. My sound bites…
> Two sides of a coin
One man’s meat is another man’s poison. Prevention is better than cure to one, is pre emptive strike to another.
TWO SIDES OF A COIN…
THANK YOU TO BOTH YOU AND OUR ADIK WAJAPERAK FOR THE INSIGHT ‘ON’ A COIN…TERSURAT
PERHAPS, ALL OF US SHUD ALSO LOOK B.YOND AND DEFINE THE MATTERS ‘IN’ A COIN…TERSIRAT.
THE PERFECT ‘MIX’ THAT NOBODY CAN DENY.
KEEP ON DEFINING AND REFINING….FAIR AND SQUARE.
TWO SIDES OF THE COIN…HEAD OR TAIL…
THERE TO CHOOSE…
ALFATIHAH, AMIN.
Tun..
Semoga di dizinkan untuk ‘penggulungan hujah’..
Thank you Mr S..Tan for making clear your stand on the issue.
I am repeating myself again and again on “Provocateur Impression”.
I am to relate a story with Tun permission of course.My fabricated story to illustrate a point that defied the myth of “two side of coin”.
There is an island in Eastern Malaysia.Most inhabitant is a fisherman as always.They go with their daily chores minding their own business.Safety and security is utmost far from their minds.”Bread and butter” ( figure of speech ) is their only concerns.
So..when a ranking Navy personnel came to the island emphasizing on pirates attack and safe
Tun..
Semoga di dizinkan untuk ‘penggulungan hujah’..
Thank you Mr S..Tan for making clear your stand on the issue.
I am repeating myself again and again on “Provocateur Impression”.
I am to relate a story with Tun permission of course.My fabricated story to illustrate a point that defied the myth of “two side of coin”.
There is an island in Eastern Malaysia.Most inhabitant is a fisherman as always.They go with their daily chores minding their own business.Safety and security is utmost far from their minds.”Bread and butter” ( figure of speech ) is their only concerns.
So..when a ranking Navy personnel came to the island emphasizing on pirates attack and safety precaution, they just scoffed him off.
Lo..and behold..The very next day..a band of pirate came and rounded all the island inhabitant (“menjiwai” ( no proper English for this ) those feeling’s and trepidation,he or she will always guard their attitude and behaviour.Imagine he and she will shiver the ‘heat’ of hell fire even though he or she reside’s in nortnorth pole where snow’s is perpetual and not ephemeral..
Likewise,human need’s to be reminded of their attitude and behaviour’s.They cannot excused themselves of definition and terminology of one man meat is another poison.Like this instance
The judge : Why do you kill him?
The defendant : I did not your honour.I am only sending him to met his Maker
The judge : To the point of mutilation??
The defendant : That is only matter of interpretation your honour.
The judge : Ok.But do you know what the definition of the Devil?
In defining Syaitan:..
Dear Tun salam mesra harap sihat sejahtera. Kiriman membalas ulasan seorang pembela di sini dgn izin….
Thank you for the insight into your thoughts sdr ‘wajaperak’ on March 24, 2010 4:44 PM. My sound bites…
> Two sides of a coin
One man’s meat is another man’s poison. Prevention is better than cure to one, is pre emptive strike to another.
> Anti corruption.
I never heard any protest after prayers or animal head parades condemning corruption committed by Muslims. Islam may be committed to eradicating corruption but Muslims here are too busy scoring points rampaging at peaceful forums and threatening people who just want to build a house of peace? If only they threatened corrupters like this, Islam will be most loved religion in M’sia!
> Suspicion.
Distrust begets distrust. Another perpetuation of tit for tat!
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun..
S..Tan
[[Allah issue.
I refer to arguments against use of the word based on the accusation of bad intention (converting Muslims). This should be innocent until proven guilty. Take action where appropriate. A blanket ban is intolerance and blatant pre emptive strike. There are legitimate use of this word by non-Muslims]]
Aha Mister S..Tan.I am looking it from the Muslim view “prevention is better than cure”.Certain government like certain society believe’s in one own “sound mental faculty” to determines what is wrong and what is right.In this sense,they allow’s their citizen to brazenly sold open arm’s,gun,ammunition and what’s not.They also turn the blind eye’s towards prostituition and drug’s trade.The goverment believe’s the society is able to determined their own life style in “laissez-faire”.
Islam promote’s peace.This peace start’s from it’s society.So Islam protect’s it’s society from corruption.And we have managed to do that since immemorial in Tanah Melayu.That’s is why the older generation is scared of British secular education.Now most of Islam present generation is scared that this is a ploy,a platform for non-muslim to use later on.Exploiting them.S..Tan.Have you heard of the Malay saying about Belanda mintak tanah??
They are scared of the terminology of Pretext and Pretension
?Some act before sms and some moment before tension set’s in?..:)
[[The British have left. Who is the colonist?]]
Eventhough they have left,they have left some “lasting impression”. S..Tan I still see British influence here in the name of “Colonial Mentality”..Do you?…:)
[[Other countries laws can be used as a guide when we are struggling which direction to go]]
Agreed.We should adopt Arab Saudi law’s of Hudud..:)
[[ Bar council.
Ministers and govt don
Dear YAB Tun, salam bahagia harap sihat. Minta izin menjawab seorang pengulas di sini….
………MENJAWAB sdr ‘wajaperak’ on March 18, 2010 10:45 AM
> Allah issue.
I refer to arguments against use of the word based on the accusation of bad intention (converting Muslims). This should be innocent until proven guilty. Take action where appropriate. A blanket ban is intolerance and blatant pre emptive strike. There are legitimate use of this word by non-Muslims.
The Arab and Indian seafarers descendants are now in Umno and holding cabinet posts. The British have left. Who is the colonist?
Other countries laws can be used as a guide when we are struggling which direction to go.
> Bar council.
Ministers and govt don
Dear Tun,
Again I apologize for using your Blog for Discussion.
But i had to Ask HBT,
“…Joe Therapist on March 21, 2010 1:22 AM should be seeing the world with his heart, not with his ‘Agama’ closing his eyes assuming the world is fair and equal through his online!…”
I don’t get it. Does this mean i see the World with My ‘Agama’ and my eyes are closed and i assume the world is fair and equal. Correct me if i’m wrong but that’s a good thing isn’t it? If i use My Heart i will see Lies and Deceit? So kena sentiasa ada perasaan syak wasangka terhadap semua orang dan keadaan??? That’s a very stressful Life. How do you separate The Heart from Religion??
I use Religion to see the Good in All. That is what Christianity Teaches as well as Islam and Judaism and Buddhism and Hinduism and Zoroastrianism and Many more religions. And to go further, Christianity asks us to see the good in EVIL… That’s the biggest challenge.
I see the good in ALL religion. It is the people who practice them who corrupts it. Shouldn’t that be how EVERYONE should be? Respect all People and Religion. Take time to understand the Differences and Celebrate this Diversity.
I Don’t get it HBT???
And to top it all of.. You ended With “…Cash is King…”????
Thank you Tun Again for allowing me the space for this conversation.
God Bless.
Dear YABhg TUN and all readers,
It seems that, many had not really commented on the subject matter emphasised by YABhg Tun. There were more sentiments/anger driven write up intead of what Tun wanted us to think about that is, regardless to any religion, intolerance against a group of different belief may cause retaliation by other sympathizers who may or may not of the same group being oppressed at the same place or in other [places they able to do so.
Luckily, we here practice a high tolerance with each others eventhough this is a Muslim country who are not so clever in giving preaches or writing books on HUMAN Rights, Womens Lib., Democracy, Liberalization and other jargons relating to freedom as what many Christian Europeans may do (the talking and writing), but failed in practicing it in Reality.
Welcome to Malaysia the land of Peace. Amin
Fairuz Kamarulzaman
Good evening Ayahanda Tun,
Once GOD reversed, human nature will start barking and hopping like a grasshopper. I love the movie ‘God Is Crazy’ which is about a native in Africa began his search for truth when he was hit by an empty botol of Coca Cola from the sky in late 70’s. The theme song which made Coca Cola a hit product when the Corporation planned its vision of “I like to hear the world to sing a perfect harmony… Coke it is” until today.
Well, Ayahanda Tun, if we want to ‘menternak ikan2″, water must be a bit dirty, if not these ikan2 will not survive, and that’s mother nature.
Joe Therapist on March 21, 2010 1:22 AM should be seing the world with his heart, not with his ‘Agama’ closing his eyes assuming the world is fair and equal through his online!
Take care Tun Dr M. This financial crisis hit hard on those Greedy XY who made speculations. Cash Is King.
My Dear Tun,
Please allow me,
To AnakMsia,
Your Comment~it’s a Christian country for god’s sake
…Well–Malaysia is a muslim country so it can build as many
mosques as it likes if it wants to.
“such a waste of taxpayer’s money’
By the way,I doubt whether you’re truly anakMsia,Anak
pendatang maybe,–otherwise you would know where the funds comes
from for the building of mosques.(Please do more research) on the
building of mosques.Funds from illegal resources and infidels
cannot be used.No HARAM money.
Thank you.
God Bless You Tun and Family
Dear Tun,
My Apologies but i had to reply some of the Postings put against myself. My message was meant for you but i don’t know how many you actually get to read.
black_rose109
HBT / JackTheRipper
You Shouldn’t use this site to rebut Postings. I won’t Honour you with a reply. Just get over yourselves and become better people.
Sri,
Thank you for your Reply. You have been honest in your reply. I appreciate it.
Your assessment is open, knowing that we all have our problems is True. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS. Not some problems in another country. My point to Tun is WHY? Why highlight this issue? Is there no Positive messages around the world? Why create this Discord among People here? By highlighting these issues, How does it make us better?
We are responsible for what we SAY and EXPRESS. By always saying things without calculating the consequence is irresponsible. Not befitting the Leader that Tun is. WHY??
“…The Bintang Tiga or Chinese Communist was only trying to free the Malays and the West were trying to save the Malays of hard labour of plundering their own wealth..”
I don’t understand what you mean by this??? The Malays are Proud people. They Don’t need help to Achieve anything. The British didn’t come to plunder. They didn’t enslave the People. They brought modernisation here. They encouraged us to Independance. They educated the people. No one was starving. Tun’s father was a teacher. Educating the Youth.
“…Muslims were ridiculed for being backward and insensitive. Well, how would you have behaved after hundred years of oppressions by the people of the cross that came uninvited in spreading modernity to all four corners of the world. Science was lost then and there is nothing strange about it….”
No One claims Muslims are Backward or Insensitive. This is always what we here. But no one claims this. You THINK people say this. And our Leaders say that this is what is being said. But it is Not. We are Sad that the Malays are Crippling themselves by Greed and Ignorance.
“…Now the West are being haunted by the ghost of past Christmas. They are being invaded by their former slaves, as if they came in such a dominant and arrogant way like they once did…”
Again i don’t understand this???
“…There’s no mosque in the Vatican, nor in the centre of any religion…”
I didn’t mean having a Church in Mekah or Madinah. I Meant the Country of Saudi Arabia. Granted The Vatican is a Country on it’s own but to compare lets look at Italy as a whole…Have a look at this..
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That is in ROME. Considered the Centre of the Christian Catholic World. I haven’t done a search of Italy. You want to try? I’m sure if you had Muslims Working in The Vatican the would provide a place of worship for them. You doubt this? Try Writing a letter to the Vatican. They Reply. Trust me. Would the same apply to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?? Would they welcome a Place of worship if there were enough Christians there.
What frustrates me, and i’m sure most Malaysians is that we see how the People are being used to the benefit of certain quarters. Creating discord and Strife. Saying that the Muslims and Malays are being Mistreated. The only people mistreating Muslims are themselves. And we have to sit and watch this. It’s frustrating because Malays/Muslims are better than this. I lived In a Kampung for most of my childhood. I loved the people there. My school had only a handful of Non Malays from Standard 1 – 6. But we were happy. We never felt threatened by the Malays. They respected us as we did them. I had very good malay friends. Wonderful people. Some my Best friends.
We saw each other as Malaysian. Not Chinese, Indian or Malay. I respected Islam. A very Pure Religion. My Discipline Teacher was a Haji. Very good man. My mother cooked at home. She kept the Kitchen door closed if She had to cook Pork because the neighbor would walk in and would want to taste what my mother cooked. Very good childhood.
But on a lighter Note, have a look at this…
“…Pope Benedict XVI and King Abdullah have begun negotiations on opening the first Catholic church in the kingdom …”
There is Hope. There is Tolerance. THAT IS THE NEWS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSTED.
Idealess
Thank you for your support. I’m certain you are Malaysian. Let us hope that we are able to See this beautiful country grow from here. That is always my prayer…
God Bless Tun. Have a great Sunday..Again my apologies for using your site to Rebut.
YABhg Tun’
I guess it is alright for being intolerance sometime when others are not being tolerance on us.
Twisted irony indeed. Methinks the irony of the original post is lost on the Swiss. Better to situate the comments on Malaysia where a similar brand of intolerance has turned citizens against each other. I wonder where that started??
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
By S..Tan on March 16, 2010 2:04 AM
Dear YAB Tun, salam mesra harap sihat. Kiriman saya untuk tajuk sindir ini dgn izin….
SDR. S..TAN… CERMIN DIRI… BELA DAN GILA… MELUDAH KELANGIT… RESAM MANUSIA… BELA DAN GILA …SINDIR DIRI
SALAM KERINDUAN…SALAM MESRA
ALFATIHAH, AMIN.
Ayahanda Tun,
May I…,
//By osane on March 17, 2010 2:23 AM
“BH online”
Hina Nabi: Umat Islam digesa boikot barangan Sweden
2010/03/16
KUALA LUMPUR……
Ingvar Kamprad & Family, 11th billionares 2010 (Sweedish) ……. I am wondering if IKEA in Sri Damansara actually own by this man. If so, I am glad to support the call to boycot the sweedish goods.//
Dear osane,
Last week, TS Musa Hitam, in NTV 7 news, had advised all muslims in the country to be “pandai-pandai” because Mmuslim countries are neglected by the world. I have just read MStar onlinr which reported that Sultan Selangor told muslims and rakyat not to do somethings that would make ‘negeri Selangor mundur’. Sultan Selangor also told all muslims MUST respect other races in the state.
We are in borderless world, not border less world, k. osane, such news worked in 2006 & 2007. It’s going to be 3 years now, this piece of news and the style of writing would not increase BH paper’s circulation nor advertisement revenue. Berita basi cam ni dah tak laku, it’s either you change or be changed due to pandai-pandai lah.
Take care Ayahanda Tun.
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun..
S..Tan
[[…………CERMIN DIRI
> Allah issue is intolerance, perceiving bad intention without proof. Pre-emptive strike? Guilty unless proven innocent! But Indon and Brunei can tolerate?]]
What is exactly your point Mister S..Tan?Allah issue is intolerance in what sense?Bad intention without proof?
Now read this carefully.
When British came to Malaya..they insist that they want’s to trade.
The Muslim seafarer like Arab and Indian have forewarned that British will colonised the Malay Peninsular ( read: Malay Peninsular).When confronted by the Sultan, what is the British excuse?
Ampun Tuanku.We Brit’s have law’s that spelled “Not guilty unless proven innocent!”..See the similarity Mr S..Tan??..Deja Vu?
Indon and Brunei have law of their own.Have you forgotten you own advised about comparing an Apple with an Apple?
[[Bar council rampage is intolerance of a peaceful forum. But angry, rowdy, after prayers protests is right of expression!]]
Bar council is an influential “organisation” which angry,rowdy after prayers protest is not.You might consider their diferrent cause and effect where magnitude is concerns!!
[[Citizenship issue is intolerance of a citizens right to pursue equal treatment under the law (Article8)]]
And the Home Minister have failed where the PKR will succeed’s??
[[DEB is intolerance of enterprise and effort. It is divine(not earned) reward which others must pay]]
The equation have turn’s if you noticed.Penang perhaps?
[[…………BELA DAN GILA
Harap negara Islam itu bukan melawan nyamuk dgn membakar kelambu. Muka Islam tercemar krn sikap begini. Menang muslimat rugi Islam bukan kehendak agama]]
Islam is never compromised with the act of it’s follower.Never was and never will be.Islam is about and establishment the follower’s wanting them.Islam is free from any function of it’s follower or any malfunction..I guess you didn’t know..
[[Bertakwah krn agama dan akhirat. Bermusuh krn nama dan pangkat. Satu lama dan lambat dapat rahmat, satu segera dan cepat dapat nikmat. Bertakwah dahaga pahala, bermusuh gila nama]]
Mister S..Tan.Self assurance is good.But where religion is concerns, it is not good because Islamic faith is way beyond your comprehension..
Terima kasih Tun..
Tit for Tat.. Eye for Eye the world will go blind. Truly, is that what the inventor wants from his creation?. If tomorrow we remove religion from everyone, are we will die instantly?. Why religion been placed higher than the man-kind himself till we resorted to kill each other without qualm?.
To AnakMsia,
Unlike Malaysian masajid, the masajid built in Swiss are not funded by their government or by the tax money.
Thanks.
YABhg Tun,
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“BH online”
Hina Nabi: Umat Islam digesa boikot barangan Sweden
2010/03/16
KUALA LUMPUR: Seorang penyokong kerajaan menyarankan umat Islam di negara ini memboikot barangan keluaran Sweden sebagai bantahan terhadap tindakan tiga akhbar negara itu menyiarkan lakaran karikatur menghina Nabi Muhammad S.A.W.
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Ingvar Kamprad & Family, 11th billionares 2010 (Sweedish). The wealth come from hypermarket IKEA. I am wondering if IKEA in Sri Damansara actually own by this man. If so, I am glad to support the call to boycot the sweedish goods.
osane
Dear Tun,
I believe the story is the Swiss are banning the minarets, a symbol of Islam, due to fear.
Fear of Islam “infiltrating’ the Swiss culture and landscape.
Fear of Muslim taking hold of neighabourhoods.
Fear of Terrorism on its land perhaps?
Why the FEAR…? you may ask. You all be the judge.
The swiss are at liberty to do as they wish on their own land. Leave them be.
But as we all know action speaks a thousand times louder then words. What the swiss are saying is that they (the first world, developed, enlightened, free, democratic and model) country is NO DIFFERENT to those countries that they and the world label as backward, third world, undeveloped, uncultured, undemocratic, etc..).
So The SWISS and those arrogant similar countries…DON’T PREACH WHAT YOU DO NOT PRACTICE.
For the country to ban SWISS air flight..well that must have been a third world country’s action right?
Well people…do you still think those orang Puteh countries are your MODEL country for the world into the future???
Tepuk dada tanya selera.
Dear YAB Tun, salam mesra harap sihat. Kiriman saya untuk tajuk sindir ini dgn izin….
…………CERMIN DIRI
Absolutely right, intolerance is a malicious disease. M’sia is afflicted with this disease also.
> Allah issue is intolerance, perceiving bad intention without proof. Pre-emptive strike? Guilty unless proven innocent! But Indon and Brunei can tolerate?
> Cow head parade is intolerance compounded with arrogance. Spewing threats is freedom of expression, peaceful candlelight protests disturb the peace!
> Bar council rampage is intolerance of a peaceful forum. But angry, rowdy, after prayers protests is right of expression!
> Pendatang label is bigotry and intolerance of humanity’s pursuit of equal recognition for equal effort.
> Citizenship issue is intolerance of a citizens right to pursue equal treatment under the law (Article8)
> Ketuanan is intolerance of the human race. Agama mengajar keagungan bukan ketuanan!
> DEB is intolerance of enterprise and effort. It is divine(not earned) reward which others must pay.
…………BELA DAN GILA
Harap negara Islam itu bukan melawan nyamuk dgn membakar kelambu. Muka Islam tercemar krn sikap begini. Menang muslimat rugi Islam bukan kehendak agama.
Bertakwah krn agama dan akhirat. Bermusuh krn nama dan pangkat. Satu lama dan lambat dapat rahmat, satu segera dan cepat dapat nikmat. Bertakwah dahaga pahala, bermusuh gila nama.
Salam Tun,
A very interesting news, but not known? to the main western media:
Member of the Swiss Political Party that Pushed for Minaret Ban Converts to Islam
http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2010/02/05/minarets-and-the-conversion-of-a-swiss-politician-the-real-story/
The original news in German here:
http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/27286120
Subhanallah! This is the real TIT for TAT!
To Joe Therapist
It is interesting how certain events and occurrences simply erased from everyone’s memory and certain events got highlighted and given such an emphasis that the rest are insignificant unlucky things that got out of hand, despite of good intentions, of course.
The Bintang Tiga or Chinese Communist was only trying to free the Malays and the West were trying to save the Malays of hard labour of plundering their own wealth by bringing in obedient slaves from India and China, Non Muslims of course, and everyone is asking the Malays to learn from the example of Obama! As if the slaves belong to the Malays in the first place and the Englishmen were actually gentlemen back then.
Muslims were ridiculed for being backward and insensitive. Well, how would you have behaved after hundred years of oppressions by the people of the cross that came uninvited in spreading modernity to all four corners of the world. Science was lost then and there is nothing strange about it. Why won’t it? How could it survived and nurtured? Muslims were under unashamed dominant oppressive force that not only killed and plundered, but destroyed all basis of civilisation in the Muslim world and others, in the name of the cross, of course.
Now the West are being haunted by the ghost of past Christmas. They are being invaded by their former slaves, as if they came in such a dominant and arrogant way like they once did. But that is unrelated of course. The past is the past. Grow up. You are losers. You don’t have nothing. No one in the Muslim world could invented the A bomb. No one is allowed to, see. Cause there’s already enough nukes to blow up all that exist into kingdom come! America has more than is needed to wipe out every single nations through out the globe. So does others, but having one or two, would be very dangerous and deadly to the peace of the human race, as if all the major wars and madness through the centuries were committed and caused by the dominant Muslims that tried to enslave others into humiliating submission! Don’t even think of bringing India and Spain into this. And Vlad the Impaler is enough to clear any doubts about the invading Turks.
The churches, temples and everything that is considered holy to Non Muslims are respected by Muslims. Even when sometimes it was illegally built on lands that doesn’t belong to it in the first place. Sometimes tolerance is not that appreciated but instead some still pushed for more and more. Go to Teluk Intan, Perak Darul Ridzuan, where a huge church exist side by side with a mosque to name one as an example. Go pass Batu Caves and you’ll get my point.
There’s no need to highlight Muslims’ ailments to ridicule Muslims. We have our problems, you have yours. I won’t highlight yours. We all have our own problems. Mostly because we are actually unpractising our faith to the fullest extent in the best ways and efforts. But trying to say that Muslims should be more open when everyone watched in awe of the openness in Malaysia would be as like some would said it, ‘beri betis nak peha’ or ‘asking for the thigh after being given the calf’. There’s no mosque in the Vatican, nor in the centre of any religion, don’t you get it already?
Everything should go both ways. You give some, you take some, you held some to yourself and vice versa. Denying all that have been achieved and ridiculed something that sheltered everyone in peace and harmony for almost more than 50 years would be considered as rude and inconsiderate. No Muslims in Malaysia is touching any sensitive issues regarding Non Muslims. In Non Muslim countries, things are very different. So and so, you can’t expect us to shut one eye and turn the other cheek. Some never did, for the past of the centuries or is it since the beginning of time? To begining to act like one would be an act of rudeness and humour, all mixed up in an endless confusion, for everybody to see and ponder.
Dear Joe Therapist,
Did you not read the post clearly? or did you simply not understand ” tit for tat”? Tun’s post was not to sensationalize events like you put it. Gosh.
Tit for tat means the people should learn to tolerate others more, the Islamic country didn’t allow the Swiss Airlines to fly in, like karma, before the Swiss didn’t allow minarets in the country.
A waste of taxpayers’ money to build mosques? Wld you say so too about churches and wats and temples? YOU should learn how to watch your tongue.What Tun is implying is for everyone to learn something from this incident. If you tolerate others, others will tolerate you. Treat others the way you want others to treat you. There is quiet wisdom in his words. I think you’re just shallow.
In this day and age you want the people to ignore what happens outside the country? Seriously? How can you close yourself to the world outside? Knowledge and information is key to progress and survival.
Salam Tun & Fellow ChecDet’s Bloggers,
All these happenings and developments that lead to such outcomes have been mentioned and clearly explained in the Quran and Hadith and only for those given “hidayah” ( the top of all “nikmat” from Allah ) will understand and have nothing to be surprised about.
Basically, Quran contained 3 major elements,namely; COMMANDS that need to be OBEYED, PROHIBITIONS that need to be IGNORED/DISTANCED and STORIES that need to be BELIEVED. Prophet’s SUNNAH are the guidance and AKHLAK of the highest order that should be followed.
Prophet SAW words; ” I left you all 2 things, Quran & my Sunnah. If you all follow to these 2 things, you will NOT be forever astrayed, in this life and life after”
An example, it mentioned that ” tomorrow will become worst than today”. Should we be surprised when there are in fact becoming daily happenings in front of our eyes? and yet we are all struggling to find the answers to solve the problems. The TRUTH and the TRUE WAYS are and can be found ONLY in Quran & Hadith. Period.
So why not have a peek to the following blogs: http://www.jom-ngaji.blogspot.com and http://www.yayasan-ilmu.blogspot.com among others, semuga Allah memberi hidayah kepada kalian. Insyaallah.
maybe pasukan palang merah juga tidak dibenarkan berkhidmat… kerana lambang cross pada pertubuhan tersebut…
Dear Joe Therapist,
Did you not read the post clearly? or did you simply not understand ” tit for tat”? Tun’s post was not to sensationalize events like you put it. Gosh.
Tit for tat means the people should learn to tolerate others more, the Islamic country didn’t allow the Swiss Airlines to fly in, like karma, before the Swiss didn’t allow minarets in the country.
A waste of taxpayers’ money to build mosques? Wld you say so too about churches and wats and temples? YOU should learn how to watch your tongue.What Tun is implying is for everyone to learn something from this incident. If you tolerate others, others will tolerate you. Treat others the way you want others to treat you. There is quiet wisdom in his words. I think you’re just shallow.
In this day and age you want the people to ignore what happens outside the country? Seriously? How can you close yourself to the world outside? Knowledge and information is key to progress and survival.
Unfortunately, even some Muslims don’t understands tolerance..
http://www.afiqsays.com/2010/03/banning-of-minarets.html
Dear Tun,
Apologize, just feel that I need to urge AnakMsia to migrate. Typical moron. He mentioned about waste of tax payer money on building a mosque. Woi… Malaysia ialah Negara Islam!!!!
How much do AnakMsia pay tax every year?
waste of tax payer money konon…. berambus la dari bumi Malaysia ni kalau dah semua tak kena… semua waste of tax payer money…
huhhhh….
Tun,
The world is turning up-side-down and we should not be too bothered about what other countries are doing. We should solve our problems first! In Malaysia we can see that the two religions from middle-east are teaching the wrong things to their followers. Both religions are more concern about losing-out and are using all sort of marketing programs and fear-factor to keep their followers.
So much have been said about Islam but I think Christianity is another dangerous religion that will cause world-war 3 or end-of-the-world. These two religions from middle-east are the main culprit of all conflicts of the world. Ever notice that there is no peace in that region (Middle-east). Why? I think both religion practice and preach supremacy and tit-for-tat. If only human can see that religion is a private matter between him/her/it and GOD, I believed there will be peace. Followers are confusing themselves between religion and culture. Example, minaret is an Arab
From the main story, I find such Govt so petty & immature!!
YABhg Tun,
….take out all their money from Swiss Bank??? Switzerland has always been a neutral country and you would expect them to be very open and liberal. But, thats not always the case. Not, I supposed, if it has something to do with religion. Especially, someone elses religion I mean….
For a pure example of religious harmony and peaceful coexistence, you can always come to my district here in the middle of Sabah’s interior and you’ll see a Masjid with it’s minaret and a Church with its lighted 15 or so foot high Cross, not less than 300 or so meters apart. Thats a liberal country…for you.
Salam Tun
Then I think this Moslem country (if what you say is true) is very stupid indeed. In fact, it is not even worth mentioning in your blog. Again, in a country where orang kafirs rule (with the consent of God), and Moslems are the few minority, there is little we can do. At least, they have allowed us to build an additional mosque. I mean, without a minaret to call azan, it is missing quite a big feature. But without the azan, Moslems there must be diligent and committed enough to look at their watches and know when it is time to go to mosque and form a solid, united jema’ah. Solat times should be distributed to them. This will make them even stronger Moslems. And I am sure the Swiss authorities will be impressed if the Moslems show staunch solidarity. Then with this staunch solidarity, the Moslems there can do the most important thing they can do in Switzerland – to preach or dakwah the good principles of Islam to Swiss citizens. It is that simple.
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabrokatuh..
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan dari Tun..
Tun..first and foremost,I must beg an apology because I sincerely believes that you erred in this matter..
Let’s go back to time truly immemorial..
When Allah informed the Angel’s and Iblis that he want’s to create human being,Angel’s protested..
“Why? Do you want to create human that do mischief in the world and shed blood?”
After showing Angel’s Adam ability in “preparedness” to be a vicegerent in the world,Angel’s prostrate and abide.
Allah says’s in Al Quran..”I know the thing’s that you are ever not”
And Angel’s complied in submission..
Al Baqarah[32]
Malaikat itu menjawab:
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
IZINKAN,
THOUGH MOST PEOPLE WUD ENGAGED ‘TIT FOR TAT’ TOWARDS INTOLERANCE, WE WUD RATHER DIFFER.
THERE WAS THIS CHINESE MINI MARKET IN THE VICINITY OF OUR OLD HOME IN PJ AND WAS A FAVOURITE ‘HAUNT’ FOR SOME BEGGARS. ONCE WE SAW THE MANAGER PUSHED OUT A BEGGAR FROM THE SHOP AND WE ASKED HIM WHY HE TREATED THE BEGGAR SO HASHLY. HIS ANSWER WAS ‘ BANYAK KACAU SAYA PUNYA CUSTOMER LAH, ABANG’.
WE APPROACHED THE SHIVERING BEGGAR AND ASKED HIM WHY IS HE SHIVERING. HE SAID HE HAS NOT EATEN AND VERY HUNGRY. QUICKLY, WE TOOK THE STARVED MAN TO AN INDIAN RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR AND FED HIM. WE THEN GAVE HIM RM2 AND TOLD HIM NOT TO BUY ‘SAMSU’…( RM2 IN THE EARLY 80’s CAN BUY YOU A SIMPLE MEAL)
THE FOLLOWING DAY WHEN WE DROPPED BY THE SHOP TO BUY CIGARETTES, THE MANAGER APPROACHED US AND TOLD US THAT HE HAS NOT SLEPT WELL AND WANTS TO EMBRACE ISLAM..THE REASON BEING… THE SIGHT OF ABANG ATTENDING TO THE BEGGAR MADE HIM REGRETTED HIS ACTIONS..’ SAYA HALAU ORANG ITU DAN ABANG BAGI DIA MAKAN, ISLAM MESTI BAGUS PUNYA UGAMA’…
HE IS NOW A MUSLIM NAMED FAUZI BIN ABDULLAH, MARRIED TO A CHINESE MUSLIM NAMED AISHAH BINTI ABDULLAH AND BLESSED WITH A BOY AND A GIRL NOW IN THEIR TEENS.
PERHAPS, WE SHUD TREAT INTOLERANCE WITH TOLERANCE
FYI, THE BEGGAR WAS AN OLD CHINESE MAN WHO HAD A TONGKAT ( BATANG PENYAPU) IN ONE HAND AND AN ALLUMINIUM MUG IN THE OTHER HAND..
ALFATIHAH, AMIN.
Ps. ‘MALAYSIA BOLEH’ was the ‘SHOUTS’ heard during Datuk Lee Chong Wei victorious match at the All England Badminton Finals. Syabas Chong Wei and Datuk Misbun Sidek and THANK YOU for that memorable moment that all Malaysians have been waiting for a long time.
Walaupun saya bukan beragama Islam, saya pernah membaca Al-Quran dan meneiti sendiri sejarahnya dari documentari di tv dan buku sejarah. Saya berpendapat asalnya Islam menyeru umatnya ke arah jalan kebaikan. Tetapi kenapa kebanyakan umat Islam di dunia bahkan Malaysia sendiri asyik bergaduh disebabkan aspek kecil-kecilan, daripada mementingkan pekara pokok dalam hal berkenaan Islam. Sekiranya umat Islam ingin orang bukan Islam menghormati mereka, sepatutnya mereka patut menncari jalan untuk memperkasakan umat mereka sendiri daripada membuang masa bertengkar dalam hal yang pada fikiran saya bukanlah begitu penting sekali. Maafkan saya sekiranya saya menyinggung perassan sesiapa tetapi inilah realitinya.
totally agree!!! on @Joe Therapist comments.
We, Malaysia government (especially to those Muslim) is better don comment on Swiss government decision and their action banning on building minarets for mosques.
As Joe Therapist said, “Church in Malaysia not allow put the cross at the top over the mosque.
Similar like Chinese temple statues in Malaysia cannot over tall facing the mosque.
So, do we have right to said and condemn Swiss government their actions is wrong and no respect to Islam???
Confucius Quotes :
“What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others.”
“Learn to respect, before ask to respect”,
“Respect yourself and others will respect you”
what a bold move! the next step is the muslim countries should boycott the swiss made product. do not wear any swiss watches or uses swiss knife
We should all be more tolerant of each other… and respect each other… then only the world will get better
Leong Yeng Kit
Solicitor
yea yea..tit for tat.
“An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind”-Ghandi
thats the problem with every govt in the world right now. Tolerance needs to be demonstrated by one party if another intends to receive likewise.
“just because a cross is on the tail of the aircraft?” They must be kidding!!! Let say if natural disaster happened in that particular country, will they refuse the Red Cross’s assistance?
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Mr Mahathir,
Speaking of intolerances, it was under your rule that the so called tolerance between races in Malaysia was totally destroyed. Ever since then, church buildings are not allowed to be built. If you want to build one, you have to rent shoplots. Some are not allowed to have a cross in front or on top of it. This is a fact and not ‘heard from someone’.
Btw, many muslim countries like Saudi Arabia disallow any other religion to be practiced openly (i dont mean preaching to Muslims). A relative of mine who works there said that when he and other Christians gather together to pray, they have to do it secretly less they get arrested for doing so. Why ? Wheres the tolerance ?
So Mr Mahathir, pls explain.
Ayahanda Tun,
//By ekompute on March 13, 2010 11:08 PM
“Tit for tat” is another way of saying “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.” That particular Muslim country must be practising Judaism and not Islam, LOL.//
Dear ekompute,
Main kungfu lagi in 2010? Main silat lagi in 2010. Lu tarak faham lulok liam liam (betul tak abg samuraimelayu?) Wahai, sdr ekompute, pakai lah otak sebelum menjawab, lanti olang ketawa OOi…..
Assalaamualaikuum Tun.
Tun I really admire You,You simply the best.
Tell them Tun Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) is extremely tolerance,nevertheless there are always limit to tolerance.
Ask them why did Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) went to war?Definitely there are valid reason for it.
Tun May Allah bless You.
Ayanhanda Tun,
//By Joe Therapist on March 13, 2010 10:25 PM
Dear Tun,
…….
How Many Churches In Saudi Arabia?? How many Churches In Shah Alam? When The church in Shah Alam was Supposed to be built there was so much Resistance, because of it being the Islamic State??? Finally there is one allowed in Glenmarie/ an Industrial estate. And In Malaysia now, Churches are not allowed to Put The Cross at the top of the Steeple, New Churches that is, If the old ones can keep them. Quiet Discrimination. Any Similarities to What’s Going on in Switzerland?//
…..
Hi Joe The-rapist,
Do you know what is Morality & Courtesy meant in Christianity as per Malaysia National Pillar No. 5?
Do you know what is “katak di bawah tempurung?
Do you know who is Confucious?
Do you know who is ‘Nabi Mohamad’?
Do you know what is Ka-Gi-Lang? (Don’t know, ask Chua SL since he is race Teochew)
Do you know why Chedet is set up by Tun Dr M? (Dear, the answer is on your right side)
Do you know why Pakistani diplomat Akbar Zeb will not become the next Pakistani ambassador to Saudi Arabia? If you wanna know, log in Malaysian Mirror Sunday Humour on HIS EXCELLENCY THE BIG DICK because of an unfortunate matter of translation.
By the way, if the above questions can be answered, welcome to Chedet blogspot and you are definitely a qualified & professional politician in Malaysia.
If you don’t, please join the ‘Cries Babies’ Club in KL kerana BUAT TAK TAHU (due to ka-ki-lang ke?) apakah itu ahli politik, SALAH SIAPA?
Take care Joe Therapist.
From,
JackTheripper (ori from England)
Take care Sir Ayahanda Tun…….
Dengan izin Tun,
ekompute
“Intolerance simply invites intolerance.”
Errrr… is that what the al-Quran teaches?
No. As you very well know.
You can’t help posting snide remarks about Islam can you? Well, how about this one?
A mainly Buddhist army just killed 7000 civilians and imprisoned 300 000 in a recently ended war. Videos showed that some were killed in cold blood. The first of the five precepts that all Buddhists should follow is “Avoid killing, or harming any living thing.”
So it looks like the members of that particular army weren’t practicing Buddhism either.
[sarcasm] I guess the soldiers were just helping the victims along the Right Path by taking away their attachment to this world of transient things. LOL [/sarcasm]
My point is simple ekompute: when trying to judge a certain religion, sometimes it is good if we can separate the religion from the actions of some of its adherents.
You sound like a reasonably educated person; post something intelligent next time.
What next?
The Muslims should “menghayati” this verse in the quran. “Sum mum buk mun um yun fahum laa yarjiuun. Surah al-baqarah ayat 18.
Dear Dr,
It is strange to see that, lately, many good initiatives which are beneficial to the Rakyat or the country are being postponed by the Government. Many wonder whether the era of ‘flip-flop’ is coming back. Many are also concerned whether those initiatives have gone through deep and serious discussion or just ‘melepaskan batuk di tangga’ by those in power. If the government says the postponement is due to public feedback, why was public feedback not sought at planning stage?
Fuel subsidy system which is good for the Rakyat has been postponed. Then, the GST which is good for country has also been deferred. In between them, we heard that import tax for Golf Buggy has been abolished.
Rakyat is looking up to the Government to solve issues concerning ordinary people. These are the voters whose votes are required to ensure BN and UMNO win in the next election.
Why don’t you contest again this year to become a delegate from UMNO Kubang Pasu to the UMNO General Assembly? Definitely, you can bring up a lot of issues concerning Malays and other ordinary Malaysians in the Assembly. I believe UMNO leadership will listen to what you will say and take necessary action.
To you Dr, keep on fighting for the betterment of the Rakyat in this country!
Brgds,
ABSH
Salam Tun,
I’m not sure if your source is correct but if it’s true that a Muslim country is banning Swiss Airlines because of the white cross of the Swiss flag in retaliation for the minaret ban, then I think this whole thing is degenerating into a farce, a joke.
The only person making a big fuss about the minaret ban is Gaddafi; but then it’s more of a personal issue with him and nobody takes him seriously.
At any rate, minarets are a symbol of Islam, but not essential for worship. Muslims can worship anywhere.
Kepada Tun Dr M,
Sejak kebelakang ini, konflik diantara puak seagama adalah amat ketara daripada konflik diantara yang berlainan agama. Ini jelas terbukti jika kita rujuk kepada apa yang berlaku di Afganistan, Pakistan dan Iraq.
Saya amat tidak setuju dengan surat-surat khabar Malaysia yang menggunakan istilah ‘Serangan Berani Mati’ kepada mereka, yang menyalutkan diri sendiri dengan bahan letupan, lalu serang pihak sasaran mereka.
Mungkin sanggup korbankan diri adalah benar. Akan tetapi, korbankan diri hanya untuk membunuh 4 atau 5 musuh tidaklah memadaii. Adakah korbankan diri semata-mata untuk membunuh saudara-mara sendiri, bangsa sendiri dan mereka yang seagama digelar “berani”?
Minta maaf, saya tidak akan terimanya sebagai “Berani mati”, tetapi ia lebih merupakan “Gila mati”. Kalau sikap toleransi tidak wujud diantara yang seagama, macam mana kita boleh harap toleransi diantara yang berlainan agama?
Salam Tun DM,
Betul kata nenek moyang kita, Hujan Batu dinegara sendiri, “hujan emas” dinegara orang, baik lagi negara sendiri. Yang menetap dinegara orang itu terpaksalah bersabar terhadap “intolerance” mereka. Bak kata pepatah, masuk kandang kambing mengembik dan sebagainya. Pada masa yang sama negara Islam hendaklah meningkatkan kejayaan umat Islamnya supaya bukannya orang Islam yang berhijrah ketanah Eropah, sebaliknya merekalah bertandang ke negara Islam bagi mengenali dan mempelajari dan mencintai Islam. Respect has to be earned.
Seperkara lagi, apakah perlu Mahkamah Federal menyemak semula keputusannya? Apabila Mahkamah Federal sudahpun membuat keputusan, apa hal pula pihak yang terkilan tidak mahu menerima keputusan itu dengan meminta pula sekali lagi mendesak Mahkamah Federal menimbangkannya semula? Bidangkuasa semakan biasanya berlaku apabila keputusan suatu Mahkamah yang rendah itu bersifat “muktamad” dan mahkamah lebih tinggi diminta menyemak keputusan itu, atau ianya muktamad kerana pihak yang terkilan tidak merayu atau tempohnya sudah tamat. Dalam hal kedua ini, tidak ada hak untuk disemak kerana hak rayuan ada tetapi tidak digunakan kecuali jika mahkamahyang lebih tinggi berhasrat untuk menyemak integriti keputusan anak buahnya yang duduk dibawah. Perlu juga ingat bahawa dalam semakan, itu adalah kuasa budibicara hakim mahkamah lebih atas bukannya kuasa pihak yang terkilan. Apabila sudah adanya keputusan pada rayuan itu, maka perkara yang diajukan untuk dirayu itu menjadi muktamad.
Pada pandangan saya, samada 5 atau 7 hakim atau 9 hakim Mahkamah Federal bersidang pada , keputusannya tetap adalah keputusan Mahkamah Federal, tidak timbul kenapa keputusan tiga hakim mahkamah federal perlu disemak pula oleh 5 hakim pula. Apapun, terpulang untuk Mahkamah Federal melayan atau tidak, pada saya tidak perlu dilayan kerana bidangkuasa semakan adalah atas “kemahuan Mahkamah sendiri” berbanding Rayuan yang dibuat atas kehendak pihak yang terkilan. Dan apabila adanya hak merayu, tidak timbul kenapa Mahkamah yang sama perlu menyemak dan menimbangkannya lagi – seolahnya tidak menghormati dan meyakini keputusan sendiri.
Dr. Mahathir,
Sir,
The Swiss are very likely moving in the direction
of the Saudi’s. Extremist views in an extremist world.
As events such as 9/11, Madrid, London, Indonesia, Mumbai
and most recently in Lahore continue to escalate.
The world will become more insular and less understanding.
The Church burnings in Malaysia does not help your case.
You may very well blame the West while pretending (Al-Takiyah)
that the Islamic World parades around with Halos over their heads.
As the actions of Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Ahmadinejad,
Jamaat-i-Islami, etc are condoned with conspiracy theories
heaped upon one after the other. The less, facts are excepted
as truth. There are however voices of reason. I have yet to
hear you rally around Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri or Dr Nasoha Saabin.
Those who would offer a different ‘Paradigm’ to the situation.
Peace be with you
Tun
Tun yang di kasihi,
Di bawah adalah petikan dari komentar bernama “Zulkiflee Bin Arip”
“sama ada kita mahu mengaku atau tidak,kita sebenar nya menghadapi perang antara Islam dgn kafir,tepat seperti yg difirmankan oleh Allah Subhanaullah Ta’ala ketika meghukum Nabi Adam a.s dan isteri nya Siti Hawa berserta Iblis Laknatullah untuk keluar dari Syurga dan turun kedunia”.
Al-Quran itu maha benar. Tetapi terjemahan di atas belum tentu benar. Terjemahan tersebut sangat merbahaya dan boleh merosakkan keamanan dunia.
Orang Islam semestinya mempunyai akhlak yang sangat mulia dan memberi kemakmuran kepada seluruh isi alam.
Sesunguhnya perang yang paling besar adalah perang dengan diri sendiri iaitu nafsu yang terdapat dalam diri kita.
Keimanan tidak perlu dizahirkan.
I m not too sure whether this AnakMsia & ekompute ader masaalah IQ rendition but why so shallow thinking that you pick on religion issue when Tun was merely implying intolerance will takes us nowhere…and here you two making a religion slant mindlessly…why so suah koo one…wouldnt know what you expect to acheive lar but i think if we were to argue mangkok like you we surely will lose out to your experience…TUN..you’re THE man
My Dearest Tun Always,
Looks like if someone played up about religion and it seems obvious that oneself in its capacity will want somewhat to be defensive regardless of their religious background and regardless of their knowledge and the issues will later be manipulated into debating who is right or wrong.
Well, it’s obvious that there was no threat at all to the Cristian in Switzerland and its government since there’s only total 4 mosque in the whole of Switzerland and a bunch of Muslim’s which is obviously a small community and there was NO news of any bombings to any Churches nor Schools nor any demonstrations and its obvious that there was NO threat to human rights on the audio that came from the minarets and yet the government of Switzerland made the stand.
There was NO story in the news that these bunch of so called Muslims has used the minarets as a beacon or a transmission tower to transmit information or data to its allies if there is and there is NO evidence to even imply the facts.
As per say by implementing the laws to stop the Muslims from preaching through loud speakers that was probably on the minarets has proven the Swedish government in taking proper measures correctly in defending its citizen NOT to listen to the small bunch of Muslims.
AS per say, The Churches has provided food and shelter for all without using calls using minarets and for all citizen NOT to be fooled by the calls of the Minarets since the Mosque could not provide what the churches has been providing.
As per say, The minarets is a safety hazards for its aircraft when landing and taking off which has proven the government of Switzerland of its strict safety measures for its aviation industry.
AS per say, The minarets is likely to be used by the bunch of Muslims there to be station on top of the minarets as “snipers” in the events that these Muslims were to take terrorist activities.
As per say, The Swiss government is worried for all its citizen regardless of its religious background that the minarets might be used as a jumping platform for suicides and its precautionary matters proves
AS per say, These minarets has deprived its citizens of directly sun light and has breach the human rights acts
As per say, The Swiss government wants equality for its citizens an to have buildings of the same heights as prove of its human rights activities
AS per say, Precautionary matters has been taken to avoid these bunch of Muslims beings to avoid them of “bagi betis nak peha” situation in telling them their rights
Last but not least, The minarets has portrayed otherwise of true swiss culture and arts and has tarnished its image as a renown Cristian dominated country.
The retaliation by some Muslim dominated country to stop the “flying cross” from flying into its airspace is in its right context of defending its citizens not to be “Cristian ed” every time a swiss aircraft flies into its airspace depriving its Muslims dominated citizen of its human rights as well as telling the bunch of Christians in their country to avoid them of “bagi betis nak peha” situation in telling them their rights, “for god sake its a Islamic Nation by the way old chap”.
Well humans it can go on and on and on and on and TIT for TAT is not the answer as per what TUN wanting to imply to his readers. The response is very very obvious when playing up with religion the way reactions came from all the readers thou the topic was not totally reflecting Tun’s stand since his vocal response to religious issues was never against any other religion UNLIKE DSAI in yoUtube when talking about Islam in an interview by western TV which clearly indicates his fondness to provide answers to questions pertaining to religion in flip flop manner which portrayed himself as a non believer.
My Dearest Tun Always, as a lay man I forward my apology in the manner of my comment and hope to just prove a point in the context of my human rights privileges.
Typical muslim mentality, and we will be loathe and hated not love and respected. Shame.
Red Cross banned. Red Crescent approved.
Red and white banned. Green and white approved.
Y.Bhg Tun,
Itulah lebihnya negara kita Malaysia. Berbanggalah apa yang ada. Sungguhpun begitu masih ramai umat Islam seluruh dunia dengan pelbagai mahzab berkumpul di sini mengerjakan kewajipannya.Tempat meletak kereta amat terhad menyebabkan banyak kereta disaman. Berbeza dengan negara kita apabila acara keagamaan kita tetap bertolaransi. Fikir fikirkanlah.
ur implying tat our gomen shud stop malaysian frm goin there too? yea sure, go ahead n we’ll see wad happen. as far as i knw, there’s oni a handful of muslim pop in switzerland, so y bother building hundreds of mosque like in msia? such a waste of taxpayer’s money.
intolerence? talk about dozens of churches burnt in msia. we don hear da org putih go around burning mosque wheneva they’re ‘angry’ do they? tu kerja orang gila saja~
i don see wats da big deal about having cross on their flag; no.1 being, its their country and 2,its a christian country for god’s sake.
Salam Tun,
Short posting but so meaningful.
“Tit for tat” is another way of saying “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.” That particular Muslim country must be practising Judaism and not Islam, LOL.
“Intolerance simply invites intolerance.”
Errrr… is that what the al-Quran teaches? I thought Islam prides itself for teaching tolerance. Cyberistan.org says: “Before the coming of Islam, tolerance had never been preached as an essential part of religion… The tolerance within the body of Islam was, and is, something without parallel in history; class and race and color ceasing altogether to be barriers.”
Obviously Cyberistan must have interpreted the al-Quran wrongly… either that or the Muslims today are not practising Islam.
Perhaps a better response would have been to withdraw all that Muslim loot stached in Swiss banks or to ban Swiss made commercial brands but perhaps the Swiss action should have been ignored and we should concentrate on the betterment and economic revival of Muslim states most of whom have third world development indicators
Dear Tun,
How Many Churches In Saudi Arabia?? How many Churches In Shah Alam? When The church in Shah Alam was Supposed to be built there was so much Resistance, because of it being the Islamic State??? Finally there is one allowed in Glenmarie/ an Industrial estate. And In Malaysia now, Churches are not allowed to Put The Cross at the top of the Steeple, New Churches that is, If the old ones can keep them. Quiet Discrimination. Any Similarities to What’s Going on in Switzerland?
Switzerland has learned from the mistakes of other Countries in Europe. Because where Religion is concerned, there is one in particular that when you give in to them they take ALL or AS MUCH as can be. “Bagi BETIS nak PEHA”.
In England, rights have been given to all religions. So one in Particular insists that everything must be HALAL and the rest must run to provide. In a hospital that has no male Doctor’s, This person can INSIST on having an all female Medical team because it is AGAINST her religion to be treated by Male doctors. So the whole Hospital must run to Provide this service to this person, on the pretext of religion. Really?
In Holland (was it Holland/Denmark?) they insist that their children Need to wear a head scarf or it is unconstitutional. The Irony was these were Kindergarten kids. As THE constitution insists on Equality of religion for all. They had to comply. As was the situation in France. They tried the same thing in Australia but the government did not cave in. “We are all Equal”, “If you don’t like it, Leave”.
Now as a good Politician/Debater that you are, you have always tried to twist the story and say Malaysia is a Multiracial/Tolerant/Equality for all. And there are a lot of Temples and Churches The difference is that something was allowed before, is denied now. Why the Discrimination now?
Switzerland is AFRAID. If you give in to one issue now, what else will they ASK. What MORE? And tell me if there are no Minarets then the Muslim Faithful cannot Pray? I saw a group of Faithful Praying in Semenyih recently. They were on the Top Floor of a shopping lot. The windows were open and i thought odd for a group of muslim men together. I was puzzled? Then I realized they were praying. It touched my heart that this group were praying together. I believed they were foreign workers. Then i asked the question, Why not go to the Big Mosque nearby? Were they discriminated? Are Muslim Foreign workers Discriminated by Their fellow brothers here in Malaysia? I Have not been to a Mosque, Unlike some Reporters Who Feel it is their right to Attend a Church service and Desecrate something that is so sacred to Christians. So i Don’t know What the crowd is like at a mosque, but are there Foreign workers there? Bangladeshi’s, Indonesian’s? Indian Muslims? Are they Welcome? Do Muslim Me and Woman go out to meet Fellow Muslim Men from other countries, who have no money or status, and welcome them with open Arms
You are sowing seeds of hatred. Of Discrimination. Highlighting issues that are up to a sovereign country to agree or deny. Switzerland is a Christian country. Up to them if they Want to Allow or Deny. What would be an Outrage is if they deny the Muslim Man or Woman to Worship. Are they doing this? No!!
Now a certain country denies them entry to their country because of the CROSS. The same here where the RED CROSS had to be changed to RED CRESCENT. What is to be feared of the CROSS? For most people it is a SYMBOL of hope, of Redemption, comfort. But to others there is Fear? Just a Symbol.
And People here, who are Ignorant Will read and get angry. For not Knowing the Full story. They look to you as to them you are all wise. But your Views are distorted. Skewed by a very one sided, Myopic view of events. Why is it a lot of Malay Muslims who leave the country Dread coming home. Because they See the Truth. Something you will never Put forward. For fear People will stop Listening to YOU. You will not be relevant.
Here’s My last thought. There is a Mosque in BM. A big one. I don’t see many people attend the Service there. Just in front of the Mosque is a road, You can see youths racing on their motorcycle. Our term “MAT REMPIT” applies here. Further down the road is a Housing estate, There is a park there and here you can see many Young Youths smoking, In Couples. Can you instead get The Mosque to be involved in helping or reaching out to them. Not just here can the Men from Mosques all over the country reach out to all these people. Helping them. If YOU spend your time to develop these YOUTHS, Malaysia will be on the right road for the Future… Can you Spend you energy and efforts to rehabilitate our Youths and Families? Instead of sensationalizing Events that have nothing to do with US MALAYSIANS..
FOOD FOR THOUGHT TUN,
God Bless, Have a great Weekend
That is very true.You get what you give.Oppression.
If what Tun heard is true, I must agree on no. 2.
assalamu’alaikum Tun,
sama ada kita mahu mengaku atau tidak,kita sebenar nya menghadapi perang antara Islam dgn kafir,tepat seperti yg difirmankan oleh Allah Subhanaullah Ta’ala ketika meghukum Nabi Adam a.s dan isteri nya Siti Hawa berserta Iblis Laknatullah untuk keluar dari Syurga dan turun kedunia.
“Allah berfirman,turunlah kalian dari syurga itu bersama Iblis sekali,sebagian kamu menjadi musuh oleh yg lain…”
surah Thaha ayat 123.
sebab itu hari ini kita melihat demikian banyak nya permusuhan ditunjukkan terhadap Islam atau apa juga yg bersangkutan dgn Islam diserata dunia.segala macam bentuk serangan dilancarkan terhadap Islam yg kita lihat sejak ratusan tahun dahulu hingga kini bukan lah secara kebetulan.dari Andalus dulu hinggalah kepada bumi Palestin yg mengandungi tapak suci Al Aqsa,dan kemudian Kashmir,Xinjiang,Pattani dan Selatan Siam,Mindanao dan kerajaan Islam Sulu,Pulau Batu Putih malah Pulau Singapura itu sendiri,semua nya ini menunjukkan kerja satu tangan yg lebih besar dari tangan Benjamin Disraeli atau Winston Churchill atau Roosevelt atau Stalin atau Mao Zedong atau Bush atau Thatcher-Major-Blair atau Pope atau Kissinger atau Lee kuan yew.tangan yg satu ini jauh lebih besar dari kombinasi kesemua tangan-tangan kejahatan terhadap Islam.tangan yg satu ini lah yg menggerakkan kezaliman Namrud,Firaun,Haman dan Samiri.inilah tangan Iblis yg mengatur perang terhadap Islam.
perang ini pada asal nya bukanlah terhadap Islam dgn kafir tapi sebalik nya perang antara mukmin dgn iblis.iblis lah yg mencipta kafir dari kalangan orang-orang mukmin yg digelincirkan nya.apapun agama manusia,pada awal nya dan pada dasar nya adalah Islam,menyembah Tuhan yg Esa dan mengikut ajaran Nabi-nabi yg diutuskan untuk sesuatu bangsa,mungkin Confucius,mungkin Zoroaster atau mungkin Krishna atau Isa…kemudian diubah-ubah menjadi seperti apa yg dapat kita lihat hari.
agama yg pada awal nya dicipta Tuhan sebagai aturan hidup untuk manusia kemudian diubah oleh campurtangan iblis menjadi agama yg mencipta tuhan-tuhan yg boleh dipilih untuk fungsi nya.ada sebagian agama orang-orang kafir yg membolehkan mereka memilih tuhan mana yg
hendak disembah berdasarkan keperluan semasa mereka.demokrasi dalam beragama? atau meritokrasi dikalangan tuhan? tuhan yg lebih berkebolehan mengabulkan doa akan jadi lebih marketable? wallahu a’lam.
kejayaan Iblis memang sangat luarbiasa.kekafiran begitu meleluasa dan keupayaan kerajaan-kerajaan Islam untuk menentang nya amat sedikit sekali.kita ditekan dan dibuat untuk tidak berupaya melawan.selain kekuatan hebat tentera Iblis dan kelemahan besar umat Islam,dikalangan kita sentiasa ada pengkhianat di berbagai peringkat…dari golongan yg paling rendah seperti penagih dadah dan penzina yg memilih hidup sedap dari hidup senang,dan golongan sederhana seperti pemakan rasuah hinggalah golongan paling atas yg sepatutnya duduk dineraka paling bawah yaitu pemimpin yg melemahkan perpaduan dan kekuatan Islam.nama saja Islam,tapi kelakuan melebihi perangai orang kafir.Islam inda nas,kafirru indaullah.islam di sisi masyarakat tapi kafir disisi Allah.
tapi disebalik semua ini,kita dilarang bersikap pessimist.sebalik nya ia adalah peluang bagi kita mengukur konsistensi kita sebagai umat Islam ditengah-tengah ancaman kekafiran yg begitu hebat ini.kalau diukur dari kadar bom yg di gugurkan,Iraq dan Afghanistan akan bangkit jauh lebih hebat dari Vietnam atau Kemboja,malah Insya-Allah,lebih hebat dari Jepun atau German.Anak-anak Acheh yg dididik oleh Tsunami,hilang ibu atau bapa atau kedua nya sekali akan jauh lebih hebat dari generasi Teuku Chik Di Tiro.ini adalah hukum Sunnatullah,hukum sebab-akibat,hukum cause and effect.dan Sunnatullah tak akan berubah.Fa inna ma’al ‘usri yusra,Inna ma’al ‘usri yusraa.
Insya-Allah,masa kita untuk mempengaruhi dunia sudah dekat.kita tak perlu mengharamkan swissair mendarat dibumi kita.buat masa ini yg perlu kita lakukan adalah memperkukuh ukhuwah dikalangan kita,mendidik saudara-saudara seagama kita yg tersasar dan kalau perlu,ISA-kan mereka untuk kepentingan agama,bangsa dan tanahair,iaitu penagih dadah,pemakan rasuah,pemimpin yg suka berfoya-foya(dan kerabat diraja yg menyalahi agama?)atau pemimpin yg memecahbelahkan perpaduan atau kekuatan bangsa dan singkirkan pemimpin yg lemah.ini semua harus kita capkan sebagai pengkhianat negara,bukan sekadar pesalah biasa.
terimakasih Tun.
YABhg Tun
Protest, embassy closure, passport banned, product banned, deposits withdrawal, ethnic elimination etc..
Manusia Biasa
Salam Tun,
Manusia sekarang dah jadi perangai budak budakan.Perkara pertanda (sign) menjadi balahan. Ini berlaku kepada orang orang yang kononnya bertemadun sapeti EU. Satu hari esok susu cap ‘blue cross” haram diminum dan juga setiap jenama mempunyai “cros” saperti baju baju sukan. Pokoknya yang mulanya depalah.Depa bodoh, kita pun nak ikut.
Sekian terima kasih
Tun yang di kasihi,
Sekarang ini orang Islam telah berpecah belah. Orang Islam di Malaysia jugak telah berpecah belah angkara orang-orang yang telah mengangkat dirinya sebagai ulamak. Nik Aziz, Anwar Ibrahim dan ramai lagi telah memecah-belahkan orang Melayu Islam demi memuaskan nafsu diri.
Tun sangat berpengaruh dan ramai peminat. Hanya Tun yang dapat memperbetulkan keadaan.
Saya mohon Tun memperjelaskan kepada orang Melayu Islam, “Ulama Yang Hakiki” bukan diukur dari kepetahan membaca Al-Quran (bahasa Arab), tetapi orang yang dapat mentafsirkan maksud Al-Quran dengan ketepatan 100%. Sebagai contohnya “2 + 2 = 4”. Tiada siapa pun dalam dunia ini akan mengatakan jawapan nya selain dari 4.
Tun yang dikasihi,
Majoriti orang Islam telah tersasar jauh dari ajaran Islam yang sebenar. Mereka membesar-besarkan perkara yang titik benik dan tidak menghiraukan perkara yang pokok.
Rasulullah diutuskan untuk memperbetulkan akhlak manusia. Akhlak Rasulullah adalah Al-Quran dan Al-Hadis.
Ajaran Wahabi merebak dengan pantasnya di Malaysia sekarang ini. Mereka sangat merbahaya dan boleh memecah-belahkan orang Melayu Islam. Mohon pihak berkuasa ambil tindakan segera sebelum terlambat.
Nik Aziz dan Anwar Ibrahim juga telah banyak memecahbelahkan orang Melayu.
Nik Aziz tidak layak dikategorikan “Ulama Pewaris Nabi”. Kenapa? Telalu banyak bukti-buktinya dan tidak perlu dijelaskan. Beliau membaca Al_Quran dgn lancar dan bunyinya memang sedap didengar. Tetapi beliau mentafsirkan mengikut nafsu beliau semata-mata.
Al-Quran ada 6,666 ayat. Tetapi jika air laut 7 lautan dijadikan dakwat dan segala pokok-pokok kayu di hutan rimba dijadikan pena, masih belum mencukupi untuk menghuraikan isi Al-Quran.
Orang Islam yang sebenar akan memakmurkan seluruh manusia. Tidak kira Islam atau bukan Islam.
Sekarang ini orang Islam lah yang merosakkan imej Agama Islam.
Salam Sejahtera Tun & Sekeluarga,
Apakah kita di Malaysia sekarang hendak bermain dengan permainan TIT FOR TAT juga?
– satu untuk kamu, satu untuk saya ?
– bukankah orang Melayu & Bumiputera sudah banyak dapat melalui DEB/NEP? kata mereka. Jadi buang 3 yang dah ada untuk orang Melayu dan Bumiputera, bagi 10 untuk kaum-kaum lain. Negara ini negara apa?
Adakah DEB/NEP itu sememang salah & silap ? Atau dasar sememangnya amat baik, tapi disalah gunakan (salah implementasi) oleh perompak negara ?
Perlukah NEM / MEB yang masih tidak jelas butirannya hingga kini? Adakah kita kena terima saja apa yang pemimpin kini hendak laksanakan? Baca DI SINI dan DI SINI, kemudian minta tolong NYATAKAN UNDI anda di:-
http:://tersenarai.blogspot.com atau klik di bawah
Economy Policy – What Do We Want?
Terima kasih.
“SATU BANGSA, SATU NEGARA, SATU BAHASA”
salam tun
it’s like what goes around comes around..They get for what they paid.
The swiss have succumbed to the global Islamophibic campaign.
good days to you tun.
just one simple question.
WHY ARE MOST OF THE ELECTED LEADERS MENTALITY SO SWALLOW? I THINK HUMAN RACE WILL BE DOOM IF WE DONT CHANGE OUR MINDSET.
thank you
Tat for Tit, then Tit for Tat & again Tat for Tit. No one live forever, not even mother Earth.
Dear Tun Dr M,
Religion is personal and sensitive to those who practice a particular religion. Many followers have the ‘Kiasu'(do not want to lose face) attitude when it comes to conflict and difference of opinion between religions.
Even within the same religion, there are different sects, where the conflict between the sects is much more intense and emotional. If we observe, the conflict between between various sects of a religion is far more extreme than the conflict between major religions of the globe.
It is my humble opinion that, all this is due to selfish interpretation, misinterpretation and ignorance of the real teaching of one’s religion.
If,and only if, the people follow their religions in the proper manner without applying selfish thoughts, appreciate the good values of other religions and do not provoke religious conflict, I feel we all could co-exist peacefully and harmoniously.
SALAM BUAT TUN BERDUA MOGA DIRAHMATI ALLAH S.W.T
1) KALAU KITA TIDAK MENGIKUT SEGALA PERKARA YANG TERTULIS DALAM AL-QURAN (KATA-KATA ALLAH S.W.T)KEMUNGKINAN TAFSIRAN DARI HADIS-HADIS TELAH BERMAHARAJALELA DI DUNIA INI.
2) KITA PERLU INGAT HADIS-HADIS INI ADA YANG SAHIH DAN TIDAK SAHIH MALAH SUSAH UNTUK MENGEKALKAN 100% DALAM BENTUK AYAT YANG ASALNYA DARI PERTUTURAN NABI MUHAMMAD S.A.W.
3) TIDAK SEPERTI KATA-KATA ALLAH S.W.T. MALAH TELAH DICABAR CUBALAH MENIRU ATAU MENAFIKANNYA PASTI AKAN MENERIMA PEMBALASAN KALAU TIDAK DI DUNIA INI PASTI AKAN TERLAKSANA DIAKHIRAT.
4) KERANA KECELARUAN OLEH HADIS-HADIS YANG TIDAK KUKUH INI MENYEBABKAN SESEORANG ITU TIDAK TAHU MANA SATU PERKARA YANG PATUT DI DAHULUKAN DAN YANG MANA PATUT DI KEMUDIANKAN.
5) PERKARA YANG WAJIB,HARAM,MAKRUH ATAU HARUS TELAH DI RACUNI OLEH KELEMAHAN OLEH HADIS-HADIS YANG TIDAK SAHIH.
6) MENJADI SELAMAT KALAU SEMUA MANUSIA LEBIH RAMAI MENGAMBIL PENDEKATAN MELAKSANAKAN PERKARA-PERKARA WAJIB UNTUK MENGHAMBAKAN DIRI KEPADA ALLAH S.W.T DARIPADA MEREKA YANG TIDAK SABAR MENGHUKUM ORANG LAIN (KUASA ALLAH S.W.T)MENGIKUT FIKIRAN SENDIRI.
7) SIFAT PERKAUMAN ATAU MAHZAB-MAHZAB INI TERBENTUK JIKA KITA TERLALU BANYAK BERMAIN DENGAN HADIS-HADIS DARIPADA BERPANDUKAN KEPADA KATA-KATA ALLAH S.W.T.
8) KERANA HADIS-HADIS INI TIADA JAMINAN SEPERTI KATA-KATA ALLAH S.W.T AKAN KEPASTIANNYA JIKA DIBANDINGKAN DENGAN AL-QURAN. DISEBABKAN PANGKAT,JAWATAN KADANG-KADANG SESEORANG PENDAKWAH ITU LEBIH SELAMAT BERMAIN DENGAN KATA-KATA HADIS SEBAB DIRI TAHU LEBIH SELAMAT ATAS DOSA DALAM MENGHARUNGI HARTA DUNIA INI.
9) JADI SOAL LAMBANG SALIB PADA BENDERA REKAAN MANUSIA INI ADAKAH SATU PERSOALAN BESAR YANG AKAN DAPAT MERUNTUHKAN JIWA YANG BERSEMBAHYANG DAN BERSERAH DIRI KEPADA ALLAH S.W.T?
WALLAHU’ALAM
Tun
I’ve not heard or read about such an absurd act, so it’s quite surprising.
For discussion sake, lets just say if these claims are true, thank goodness we live in a country where everyone is tolerant of each others religion and spiritual belief…and that we don’t get bogged down over pettiness…
would you say we are the most tolerant and fair society Tun? If not, why not?
Didn’t our founding fathers and leaders past and present constantly strive for making Malaysia a fair and equitable multi-ethnic environment?
If not, why not Tun?
(Ravi)
Good Morning Tun,
Islamaphobia is rampant not only in Europe, but is US as well.
http://bit.ly/d2dkfD
what is they are going to ban next, red cross society. that’s really stupid, when intolerance met with intolerance, it become war.
Some leaders nowadays just lack the required amount of common sense.
Salam Tun,
Indeed, it’s extremely worrying to see this kind of intolerance being repeated all over the world. In my humble opinion though, generally speaking, in the beginning, we are all quite tolerant and accommodating to each other. We only became intolerant due to the influence of others with less than noble intention.
The unreasonable voices normally started in the minority but they grew louder via coordinated movement and by playing on people’s fear. Take the Swiss’s minarets case for example, the ban was pushed by mostly the right wing group who somehow or rather had deep religious bias against the construction of the minarets. The Swiss constitution itself should have prevented the ban from ever being passed but just like how it is in Malaysia, those with knowledge of the law can manipulate it to fulfill the ill intention of the few.
I can just pray and hope that the same situation will never happen in Malaysia.
By HBT on March 13, 2010 9:34 AM
Ayahanda Tun,
May I
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//By gunse007 on March 9, 2010 4:06 PM
Li,
you said
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just one question, from the scale of 1 to 10 (1 is the worst), how do you think mahathir compare with mahatma gandhi (or mandela or martin luther king), since you brought up the name.
I wont even give 1 if it cant go any lower. I am sure you will give 10 for mahathir even when all ppl know he dont deserve it.
thats ayahanda for you…
i will give 8.5 to lim guan eng (for kes ISA rahim thambi chik)
i will give 8 to anwar ibrahim (if he jailed again, i will give 9 or 10)//
To gunse007,
Perhaps this OPINION … from Malaysian Mirror will lighten you
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//Legal lion roars and mauls Share
Martin Jalleh
Friday, 12 March 2010 11:34
OPINION THE integrity of the judiciary has been badly mauled by a legal lion who does not mince his words no matter how high or mighty a judge thinks he is.
In recent comments in news portals, former Court of Appeal judge N H Chan has called certain members of the judiciary ‘incompetent’ and even ‘an idiotic bunch!’
Chief Justice Zaki Azmi and the judges at the Palace of Justice have remained mum, mute and mumble amongst themselves as Chan methodically makes them out for who they really are and the mockery they have made of the law!
The respected, renowned and retired judge is very frustrated, fed-up and furious at how the judiciary which he had served so faithfully has been reduced to a farce run by those he called legal and intellectual frauds or ‘imposters.’
With each passing compromised judgment Chan unhesitatingly hits out at judges with an increasingly sharper sting.
He leaves no stone unturned, no errant judge uncovered. They can ‘no longer mask their hyperbole judgments with unintelligible garbage.’
Fools on the bench
Chan said in his latest scathing critique that the rakyat is “stunned by the ignorance of our judges of the highest court in the land.”
This, he claimed, was seen in the recent Federal Court
Dear Tun Dr Mahathir,
You may choose to retaliate as soon your heart feels bad. The Swiss was so wrong in their decision. The Muslim countries retaliated so to give some small impact to teach them a good lesson.
Anyway it was a good starting point where Muslim countries united.
next will be Muslims condeming Muslims on the caning of Muslim woman for pre-marital sex. Oh wait…it is already happening!
Another article worths reaching out for Tit For Tat, Ayahanda Tun, copy and paste from Malaysian Mirror…….
Revving to go on the F1 track Share
Krystle Lim
Friday, 12 March 2010 20:22
KUALA LUMPUR – Expectation is high on the Malaysian camp as its Lotus Racing F1 team prepares to rev up at Bahrain’s Sakhir circuit this weekend, when the 2010 Formula 1 season kicks off.
The team has big plans to seize a world championship in future but for now it remains modest of its chances though it is prepared to spring some surprises.
Speaking at a press conference here on Friday, the eve of the team’s departure for the first leg of the circuit, team leader Tony Fernandes said Bahrain is a hard race to start.
“It
Assalamualaikum Tun,
For Muslims, the banning of of minarets in building mosques is an infringement of their religious rights.Although there are only 4 mosques in Switzerland, it is not quantity but what it signifies. It is tandem to an insult to Muslims around the world.
There was a time during the golden ages of Islam, Muslims are regarded as of a higher, civilized and educated society. At that time, non-Muslims prefer to live in Muslim countries rather than non-Muslims countries. The Muslim countries showed more tolerance towards non-Muslims than non-Muslim countries.
So, how due Muslims today get back the glory of past Muslim civilizations? They must get knowledge and be united. Only a united powerful knowledgeable Muslim civilization would gain the respect of others. If we are united, knowledgeable and strong, other countries will think ten times before instituting laws that infringe Muslim rights.
It is because we are weak and fight among ourselves people take advantage over us.
When (new) mosques don’t have minarets, Muslims can use them nevertheless. And when a certain airline cannot fly to a certain country, other airlines will serve the travellers. Of course, banning airlines and minarets is emblematic of intolerance. But I suggest we refrain from exaggerating the matter and make overly pessimistic hypothetical predictions.
Intolerance only invites intolerance from the intolerant.
If the story were true it shows that the Muslim country involved is very silly….. Swiss International Airlines is now owned by Lufthansa – the Germans! Hahahaha.
Dear Tun,
A more serious issue is the race or competition in the vicious cycle of retaliations – to do worse than the previous act (of violence) by the other party.
Another alternative is to logically (exercise wisdom or Hiqmah) evaluate the costs(including the extent allowed by one’s religion) and benefits(including to the future generations should the cycle of retaliations escalates in intensity).
Should the arabs learn from the Japanese eperience – realise your current strength and QUIETLY work very hard to achieve a long term goal? Better to lose a battle in order to win a War?
why dont you all ban people from using phone and laptops not to forget using the planes as all is built by the kafirs….
the swisss airline ban is nonsense if true…
Ayahanda Tun,
From the Star Online…..
//Saturday March 13, 2010
Not a practical idea
THE Education Ministry has announced that sports activities will be made compulsory in all schools starting next year and each student will be required to select a game.
Assuredly, there are merits in promoting sports activities and a sports culture in schools.
But has sufficient thought been given to the practicality of making it compulsory for every student to select a game?
Consider a normal secondary school with 2,000 students.
If this school has facilities, equipment and coaches for 10 games, we are talking about 200 students taking part in one game on the average.
Now, take badminton as an example.
If you have two pairs playing doubles in a court and another two pairs taking turns during any training session, you will need 25 courts for all players.
Even if you have five sessions, you still need five courts.
How many normal schools have that many badminton courts? One training session a week is no way to produce champions!
What about football, with 22 players on the field during a game?
If each team has 20 players, there will be five teams. If all are to train at the same time, two fields are not enough.
If training is on different days, you will still need a field.
How many schools have a proper football field?
Making it compulsory for students to select a game is not new.
Years ago, the ministry made it compulsory for every student to select a game, join an academic society and be a member of a uniformed body.
Schools complied but only on paper.
Most students registered three activities and that was about all that had happened as most schools had neither the facility nor the ability to cope.
The idea of compulsory mass participation was simply not practical.
Let the schools decide on what games they can have based on the resources available.
Let students who are inclined and have potential make their own choice.
Making it compulsory for every student to select a game is neither beneficial to the students nor practical.
Compulsory mass participation is not the way to produce champions.
Sports champions, like all other endeavours, are made of the better endowed, or even the elite few.
If the objective is to promote a sports culture through mass participation in sports activities, consider other methods.
First, we should consider requiring all schools to seriously carry out
Good morning Ayahanda Tun,
3. What next?
Answer: Intolerance simply invite Stronger Opposition Party.
If Malaysia is like the Muslim country which Ayahanda Tun mentioned, it’s okay that they ban the Swiss Airlines, maybe this certain muslim country is dominated by muslims and rich, which does not need FDI and can stand on the feet. According to TS Musa Hitam, muslim countries are being neglected by the world, and he advised muslims to be “pandai pandai”. Like what Ayahanda Tun asked, ‘what next?’
Take care Ayahanda Tun.
Dear Tun Dr.,
Every action effects a (counter) reaction.
For the moment (i.e. within the internet chats & forums) to say that – a certain Muslim country has disallowed Swiss Airlines to fly there because of
The Swiss do not ban mosques from being built, just the architecture of tall minarets that do not conform to the Swiss scenery.
Islam and Judaism is the most intolerant religions. Why must one convert to their religion before they can marry a Moslem or Jew? Why can’t someone keep their religion if they wishes. I married a Malay Moslem and I’m Christian. We do not force the religion on each other but her parents do not accept our marriage. We do not force any religion on our kids and let them decide for themselves. One has become a Christian and the other a Atheist. We both accept that and let them decide for themselves. That is tolerance.
Its a matter of time where any symbols of ARABISM in each and every citizens of europe will be prohibited.
So prepare for the worst.
My advise to arabs (moslems/christians)and moslems of other races who adhered to the Sunnah Of Rasulullah SAW in dressing ( Turbans/ Kurtas/Gamis/Jubah/Beards )living in european countries to think seriously of leaving those countries before its too late because those dressings symbolised ARABISM and NOT THE RELIGION OF ISLAM as understood by most europeans through the teachings of the orientalist.
Arabism is the enemy of europeans created by the zionist where they have succeeded in instilling the fear of terror of ARABS in their small heads/brains.
0436 hrs March, 13, 2010
Remember that europeans will not make The Religion Of Islam as their enemy because at this moments those moslems who are practicing Islam Liberal are their allies.
And the Prophet Of Islam Liberal in Asia in particular is Brother Anwar Bin Ibrahim.