1. The Simon Weisenthal Centre (Jewish) has published a list of people who are classified as anti-Semitic in 2010.
2. This classification is based on the “slurs” uttered by these people against the Jews or Israel in that year.
3. I am listed among the top 10. I suppose what I had said in 2010 are regarded by the Jewish Centre as slurs but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.
5. Israel together with the US are the only countries to use depleted uranium in their bombs and shells which have resulted in all kinds of radiation diseases, among the Palestinians, especially the new-born babies.
6. If for any or all these I am considered to be anti-Semitic then so be it. But Jews clearly cannot be condemned for anything because 60 years ago the Nazis of Germany committed atrocities against them.
7. Apparently their sufferings of 60 years ago entitle them to inflicting sufferings on the Palestinians whose land they had stolen. No matter how cruel or unjust they may be no one may criticise them.
8. It is not being Semitic that is wrong. What is wrong and what draws condemnation is the arrogance, the lack of respect for the lives and rights of others, the blatant seizure of other people’s land, the arbitrary imprisonment of people, the misinformation spread by the media they control etc – which are the subject of condemnation. Whoever commits them must be condemned. And it is obvious that it is the Israelis who commit them most. Israeli oppression and injustice towards the Palestinians cannot be disputed even by those who back Israel.
9. Yes, there were acts by those deprived of their land by the Zionists, which are no less wrong and worthy of condemnation.
10. But these people have no other means to fight back against the military weapons of their attackers. If they have the tanks, the war planes, the missiles etc they would fight “legitimate” wars. But they don’t and there is a sanction on weapons being supplied to them. They have therefore to resort to whatever means they have to retaliate.
11. Admittedly the victims of their attacks include innocent civilians. But when bombs are dropped or missiles fired from afar the victims are also mostly innocent civilians, the old, the sick, the women and the children.
12. Are unexpected deaths and woundings by suicide bombers any different from the deaths and woundings by bombs, missiles, guns, tanks and bull-dozers used by the militarily well-equipped and powerful? I don’t think they are.
13. Are the people waiting to be killed by bombs and missiles free from feelings of fear and terror at the prospect of sudden violent deaths and having their bodies painfully torn apart, as are those killed by suicide bombers or primitive rockets.
14. There is no difference in terms of violence between the acts of a suicide bomber and the killings by bombs dropped from the sky or missiles fired from a distance. Both cause fear and terror. Both acts are therefore acts of terror. Both qualify to be called terrorists. State terrorists are no different from irregular terrorists.
15. Historically the Jews may have lived in the land that is Palestine. But historically the original people of America were the misnamed Red Indians, as were the Aborigines and Maoris of Australia and New Zealand. If all lands must be returned to the first people to live there, then return the United States, Latin America, Australia and New Zealand to the indigenous natives. But you won’t would you?
16. I am not anti-Semitic bcause I am not against the Arabs and other Semitic people, or for that matter those Jews who reject Zionism.
17. I am simply against injustice, against oppression and unmitigated and illegal violence.
18. If that makes me anti-Semitic then I am proud to be anti-Semitic, even though the term anti-Semitic is wrong.
Tun, I think your views are not unreasonable. What I am concerned about is how lopsided the views of Malaysians can be when it comes to Judaism, Jewish people, Israel and Zionism. I wonder how many Malaysians can tell the difference between those four entities.
I attended a Biro Tatanegara camp back in the early Noughties and I think the way the organisers taught the young minds there about Judaism, Jewish people, Israel and Zionism was worrying to say the least.
I wonder what your definition of “Negara Islam” was when you declared Malaysia being one in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. The separation of state and religion has become ever more blurred since then. I don’t mean to be patronising but I think it might interest you to know that similar debates exist in Israel. Please spare some time to read this news piece from the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14168618
Wishing you good health as always.
Proud to see the muslims are united against unjustice to islamic nations and giving all the praises to the former prime minister of Malaysia for his stand.
Fine,what about non islamic countries like Myanmar and Tibet,the injustice against the political opponents in Myanmar,and the ethnic cleansing in Tibet, would the former prime minister of Malaysia will make his stand?
Dearest Tun,
I wish to ask for Tun’s permission to add to my previous message:
The opinion I expressed in my last message under this topic is only my personal and secular opinion, and thus, I would apologize to anyone inadvertently offended by my viewpoint.
I am nobody compared to the people there who are close to G-d.
Thanks Tun.
Assalamualaikum Tun,
Tahniah, Tun tersenarai dlm Top 10, itu menunjukan bahawa Zionist itu takut dengan orang macam Tun. Semoga teruskan perjuangan Tun membela org islam yg ditindas oleh Zionist itu. Wasallam.
Dearest Tun,
I wish to express my opinion, only if you allow me:
I just think the UN must take decisive actions to place the occupied territories under UN direct rule.
It is time to act and this resolution will be acceptable to both parties. To the Israelites, they don’t have legitimacy not to follow UN resolution by continuing their occupation of the occupied territories.
To the Palestinian people, since their leaders joined forces with their Arab neighbours to attempt to infringe the UN resolution many years ago, they had to pay for it, by losing control over the territories.
At the end of the day, the occupied territories can serve as a buffer zone administered by the UN. And hopefully, these zones will flourish and serve as a role model for both nations to learn how to accept each other, before full integration can happen in the far future.
All new buildings in the territories must have at least two levels, one for the Palestinian people, and another for the Israel people.
Just like the US company which is capable of bringing together inventors from Israel and Malaysia and work on the PC chips, the US can also take a leading role in solving this problem which has lasted so long.
Just some thoughts.. which may be quite useless.
Thanks Tun.
Assallammualaikumwarhamtulahiwabarokatuh..
Tun..saya amat menghargai ruang ini dalam blog Tun..Moga diizinkan ruangan lagi..
[[amin tan]]
Thank you for your compliment]
It is not a compliment.It is a statement.
[But I don’t think i deserve that kind of praise from anybody]
It is not a praise.But a recognition.
[I can’t claim myself to be mukmin]
You are a mukmin by this fact.
Dari Said ra, ia berkata:
I do not understand,the series Crime Watch
telecast by MediaCorp shown the true crime that happened there.
That is good as to reveals a lessons learned.
But there is 1 series of terrorists,the malay guy with beared,
who try to explode his van,and was catch up by security,
was also played.The facts was none existance.
BUT was shown on Crime Watch as if it was a true story.
As if it exists.
What was the agenda ?
Dearest Tun,
May I..
Dear all,
Regardless of what many of us say here,.. action speaks louder than words.
We have been blessed by G-d via the Jewish people.
For those who are anti-Jewish, please work everyday.
Without G-d blessing us through them, we still need to work on Saturday / Sunday.
Please also stop using the PC.. The core of the brain of a PC powered by Intel.. is made in Israel. Malaysia only makes the other chipsets.
On another note, for those who are anti-US, please stop using your car.
Take your horse instead..
..and make sure your horse do not know that one day you one day your children are going to slaughter his children, and that his children will have nowhere to hide except behind the Gharqad tree, or else he will surely kick your butt.
As continuation to my comments (on 4/1/2011) on the
Dear Tun,
May I refer to Wajaperak on January 5th 2011, 4:28pm. Thank you for your compliment. But I don’t think i deserve that kind of praise from anybody. I can’t claim myself to be mukmin. I am as sinful as anybody else as we are all descendants of prophet Adam, who succumbed to temptation and thus, was thrown into this world from Paradise. My biggest wish is to die a good Muslim. And to perform another Hajj this year, hopefully a mabro one. i cannot claim myself to be an ulama. My religious knowledge is only skin deep. I am embarrassed by your praise.
In fact, I graduated from university Malaya in 1973 in Economics. In the 80’s i wrote four STPM Economic books and three became bestsellers. I have strong foundation in Economics. My Islam is only self-studied through my association and constant discussion with many ustaz from Kelantan and deep thinking and reflection after reading many books on Islam written by Muslims as well as orientalists. Let us treat every Muslim equal. No one is assured of Allah’s paradise, except Asharatul Mubashira and ahli Badr. Wallahualambisawab.
Amin Tan
Dearest Tun
may I..//By wajaperakAuthor Profile Page on January 4, 2011 2:39 PM
“Sesungguhnya kamu tidak mampu memberi hidayah kepada orang-orang yang kamu sayang. Tapi Allah memberi hidayah kepada sesiapa yang dikehendakinya’ (al-Qasas: 56)//
Thanks for correcting me on the above.I meant to say that the prophet initiated the right cause and effects to enable the Message of Islam to effectively enter the hearts of the Pagans of Arabia through God’s hidayah.Yes the prophet was helpless even with his own uncle.
Anyway takkan critic sikit dah sensitive kot? Tsk..tsk..peminat Saidina Omar mana boleh macam ni ..tak macho lah bro..apa boleh buat I cuma nampak guna mata pertama dan kedua sahaja sure lah pandangan kita jauh berbeza…
Thanks Tun
amin tan on January 5, 2011 1:35 AM
Dear Tun,
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Tun saya amat berterimakasih kerana ruangan dalam blog Tun..saya minta lagi ruangan..:)
Bro amin tan..It is me who are most grateful and happy.We got on wrong footing the first time.It is your nature of forgiving that made me appreciates your kindness.May Allah bless you Tuan Haji..
[[I am happy that you memorise certain surah in the Quran.]]
This is utmost Allah blessing for us.Not perfect though,I can use and cite them whenever neccessary.Believe me how humbling it is when my tongue is tied and could not perform when I need the recital at most.Indeed Allah is the Utmost Oft And Merciful Forgiving..
[[Indeed,memorising Quran is sunnah as the Prophet was a Hafiz. I too memorise surah Yassin and many surah Lazim because these verses constitute the Tauhid of islam, the core of Islamic philosophy. I attended 2 years of Loghatul Arabia at UIA MORE THAN 10 years ago in order to understand Quran better besides reading English and malay tafsir. I performed Haj in1990.]]
My sincerest congratulations to you Tuan Haji sir!!
Do you realizes that moderns kind of living is a truly acid test for muslim?..And yet here..you are a mukmin..
Congratulations..
[[My humble opinion is that we should not over emphasise Hadis. Hadis is the purported saying of Rasullullah whereas Quran is revealed knowledge (wahyu). Hadis is human. Quran is divine]]
This is where I respectfully disagrees with you sir.Since you have the blessing of formal Islamic education, you must realizes this nas..
Mereka yang bersungguh-sungguh mencari Ilmu dari sisi Allah akan di berikan pula ilmu yang lain ( acquired or bestowed without official mean )..Among them..
Ilmu Ladunnya..Divine dreams and inspirations..maunah..
If you would be so kind sir to share a few of this with us.Please do not feels any qualm of Nafs Lawwamah.I believes you needs to share in name of Tawwasull..
Semoga Tuan Haji Amin Tan Di Rahmati Allah.
Semoga Tuan Haji Mahathir Di Rahmati Allah.
Terima kasih Tuan.
Terima kasih Tun.
Dear Tun,
May I refer to wajaperak on January 3, 2011 8.56AM. I am satisfied and happy by your explanation on the issue of branding others as secular and anti hadith. I am happy that you memorise certain surah in the Quran. Indeed,memorising Quran is sunnah as the Prophet was a Hafiz. I too memorise surah Yassin and many surah Lazim because these verses constitute the Tauhid of islam, the core of Islamic philosophy. I attended 2 years of Loghatul Arabia at UIA MORE THAN 10 years ago in order to understand Quran better besides reading English and malay tafsir. I performed Haj in1990.
My humble opinion is that we should not over emphasise Hadis. Hadis is the purported saying of Rasullullah whereas Quran is revealed knowledge (wahyu). Hadis is human. Quran is divine. Whenever Rasullullah gave a command, his companion would asked him whether it was from Revelation (wahyu) or his own opinion. If his own opinion it could be disputed and improved. This happened at the battle of Badr. Upon reaching a certain clearing suitable to do battle with the Quraish, Rasullullah ordered the Muslim army of 313 poorly armed men to pitch camp. A companion enquired why Rasulullah chose the particular spot, whether it was a revelation or his own personal opinion. Rasulullah replied it was his own opinion. Then, the companion suggested another location to do battle with the Quraisy. The companion suggested the Muslims marched up higher so that all the wells of Badr are behind them and the Quraisy will be denied the source of water. Rasulullah happily agreed to the suggestion and they moved up further as suggested by the companion. Even though the muslim army were outnumbered and poorly armed by three to one and yet the Quraisy was decisively defeated at the battle of Badr. Another instance where Rasulullah listened to his own companions at the battle of khandak outside madinah. Upon hearing the Quraisy were amassing a huge army of 10,000 strong including allies of the Quraisy to crush the muslims in madinah. Rasulullah held a meeting to defend madinah from being annihilated. There was one Salman al-Farisi, a prisoner from Persia, who converted to Islam suggested the muslim dig a huge drain as defence against the overwhelming Quraisy. The drain was called khandak. Therefore the Battle of Khandak was the Battle of Drain. When the enemy eventually arrived at the gates of madinah, they could not cross the drain and they laid siege on the muslims and their purpose was defeated and they had to turn back to Mekah empty handed. These two instances show us very clearly that Rasulullah was not God and whatever he said may not be revealed knowledge (wahyu). He was human like us. Since he was the Messenger of God, he may not be as fallible as ordinary men like us. He was said to be maksum (guided). This is not to say all hadiths are misleading. There may be hadis daif which are disputable because the chain of narration is not reliable. On the whole, hadiths are acceptable.
May I refer to Tuacheng, January 4m 2011, 11:28AM (under THE UNITED STATES)
“AH Tan, if you are true muslim scholar, you should know better the holy Prophet teaches equality, respect and integrity, not subject others in humiliation.”
Thank you for your explanation. As I suspected, you are a good man. Your explanation is acceptable as you praise the Muslim Prophet. The only problem with you is that you have been influenced by the western media, to bedevil or demonize the muslim. However, since you said the prophet teaches equality, respect and integrity, you are very magnanimous and you address me AH Tan. In Hokkein, it is akin to brother. A very endearing name. May I ask, Tuacheng means in Hokkein big gun or big type, out of curiosity. I hope you take up my advice to start reading translated Quran. In the beginning, it may be very difficult for you to comprehend but you must wish (niat) that you truly want to understand Islam and maybe one day, you will be brave enough to go against the odds and convert to Islam. In the context of Malaysian population, it is not easy for a Chinese like you to become a Muslim and hold on to it till the end. If your aqidah and iman is not strong, you may need a very strong understanding and foundation in Islam to be able to withstand syaitan. I wish the best for you.
As regards UMNO Malay have been corrupted, it is very biased and clearly political propagated by PKR because their leaders are banned from becoming UMNO members. So, they demonize the UMNO Malays. In order to undermine the government, so that the Malays from PKR who were actually UMNO members too, could grab power at Putrajaya at PRU13. wallahua’lam
amin tan
To understand the topic of Anti-Semitism, it would be wise to separate the Jews from the Zionists which many have mistakenly regard as being synonymous. There are those Zionist-Jews (mostly made-up of the
Assallammualaikumwarahmatulklahiwabarokatuh..
Harap Tun sudi mnegizinkan ruang untuk saya..
[[While you try to tell people that Islam means peace the manner you have conveyed them however show a completely different picture of Islam, a one that I am afraid does not look so peaceful.It looks very confrontational,threatening and lacking in ‘the ways that are beautiful’ that God have advocated in the Al Quran]]
Tsk..Tsk..Mr parameswara2..How could you?…:)
Again coming back to very Islamic education.Do you wants me to explains it the hard way?..Or softer one?..I chose the later ok..?
A nation needs to be comprised by many kind of people that populated them.We needs doctor’s,lawmaker’s,countrymen,accountant,soldiers,bussinesman,etc..etc.
When Rasullah s.a.w promotes Islam,history has showed us it was well complemented by Saidina Abu Bakar As Siddiq r.a. ( Can we promotes you here?..:)Saidina Umar r.a ( I promotes myself ),Saidina Usman a.s ( Can we promotes amin tan? ) and Saidina Ali a.s ( Saudara Zulkiflee Arif maybe ? )
Meaning..It takes all kind of people to makes the world goes round.
Islam needs it politician,bussinesman and soldiers.I am the hard man and I leaves you to becomes the diplomat.
Ok buddy?..:)
[[2-I also sense a lack of love shown by you towards those you perceived have gone astray.Its like you are more inclined towards punishing and branding them with unkind accusations rather than try to understand them and seek ways to share the truth in the most logical and caring of ways as any ‘peace’ loving,God fearing people should do]]
Aha..Mr Andrewtay,Mr Hanan.Anti hadith ( kafirian ) and scores of other have given us the itch..So..? We should
Stroke them gently??
A warrants, warants the same measures of action Mr Parameswara 2.
You have forgotten this verse from Al Quran?
Biarlah orang kafir itu merasa kekerasan dari mu.
Or you have not read them??
[[3-While our Prophet from being the first and only Muslim to eventually convert the ‘wholesome’ of the tough and fierce Pagan Arabs throughout the 3 mio sq km of the Arabian Peninsular to Islam in his lifetime,you bro on the other hand seems only interested to ‘convert’ the already Muslims to be ‘kafirs’]]
Again you are sorely mistaken Mr..Rasullulah s.a.w cannot and don’t have the ability to convert anybody..not even himself!!..You have missed this completely in Al Quran..
Sesungguhnya kamu tidak mampu memberi hidayah kepada orang-orang yang kamu sayang. Tapi Allah memberi hidayah kepada sesiapa yang dikehendakinya. (al-Qasas: 56)
[[4-Do forgive me if my observations on your approach have been totally incorrect]]
Yes you do.You followed Nabi Musa a.s logic.I follows Nabi Khidir a.s practice.
[[5-Whatever that Amin Tan and I have espoused in our comments that you disagreed and considered ‘secular’ has the support of real life situations done by the Prophet Of God.Emulating the Prophet is a sunnah but following the teachings of your 40 hafiz if contrary to the ways of the Prophet is not!]]
And which part you have practiced Rasullulah s.a.w sunnah?..Have you memorized Surah Yassin by heart?Surah Al Kahfi?Surah Toha?Surah As Sajdah..to mention a few?..Islam is all about education Mr..We needs Al Quran in our chest as part of the integral and essential education..Ustaz Zainuddin my late ustaz says..In math you needs to master “sifir”.In life you needs to master Al Quran..I have not seen any of your understanding on your part and you brazenly says otherwise.It really escapes my simple comprehensions!!
[[6-These 40 hafiz can’t be any cleverer than the Prophet of God, a chosen one of God,a man who has been selected by Prof Hart,a Jew, as the No 1,in the ‘Top 100 Most Influential Man in History’.]]
You have erred big time in your judgement Mr..which is flawed without your ability to see…
Through the third eyes..
[[7-When you say that a new Sallehuddin will appear..will he come in peace or will it be a violent appearance?Will he come subjected to the laws of cause and effects which will be, as the sohih hadis suggested’ in the way of the Prophet’? Or will his, be a magical appearance supported by myriads of angels ,with brimstones pouring from the heavens and armies equipped with magical laser,Star War like weapons?Will he appear on a horseback equipped with M-16 and look like one of the Talibans or maybe,someone like Osama ben Laden?]]
Again..you erred big time.I don’t have the ability to prophecies anything about oncoming futures.It is well written by Islamic scholar this event.You only have to know where to look.And the meaning of the event.
[[8-Please let us have more insight into what your 40 hafiz/conventional education have told you about our salvation through this ‘Sallehuddin’ so that we secular people may be able to buy it and hence also contribute in whatever way we can to deliver victory to this message of ‘peace’?]]
Ditto above.
[[9-Being mostly desperate people we are always ready for hope if only you can convince us.I believe that we are also running out of time]]
Why are you desperates Mr?..Are you going somewhere?..To moon perhaps?..:)Some says and proclaimed unknowingly that Palestinian should flee like dogs and rats in name of “hijrah”.This is a well ployed real enemy of Islam to make them feels gulity of forsaking the “believed” sunnah.
The real sunnah is defending Baitul Maqdis with all might and mean.I really really envious of Palestinian because they are the chosen one to defends Baitul Maqdis.I did not question Allah choice but merely lamenting my fates here defending Islam against my so called
Brother’s..
Terima kasih Tun.
Dearest Tun
//(1) wajaperak on January 1,2011 1:15 PM and Amin Tan on January 2, 11:10 AM
(2) By wajaperak on December 27, 2010 11:55 AM
Jaquar.
..Not to worry about Palestine.A new Salahuddin will rise..Israel will enjoys 40 years more on the utmost the dreaded daily terror in the very own heart..Islam means peace Mr Jaquar..If you does not feels them emanating from my muslim brethren maybe they produce different kind of
Radiation..That kind of reeking different from us true muslim..//
Dear wajaperak
1-While you try to tell people that Islam means peace the manner you have conveyed them however show a completely different picture of Islam, a one that I am afraid does not look so peaceful.It looks very confrontational,threatening and lacking in ‘the ways that are beautiful’ that God have advocated in the Al Quran.
2-I also sense a lack of love shown by you towards those you perceived have gone astray.Its like you are more inclined towards punishing and branding them with unkind accusations rather than try to understand them and seek ways to share the truth in the most logical and caring of ways as any ‘peace’ loving,God fearing people should do.
3-While our Prophet from being the first and only Muslim to eventually convert the ‘wholesome’ of the tough and fierce Pagan Arabs throughout the 3 mio sq km of the Arabian Peninsular to Islam in his lifetime,you bro on the other hand seems only interested to ‘convert’ the already Muslims to be ‘kafirs’.
4-Do forgive me if my observations on your approach have been totally incorrect.
5-Whatever that Amin Tan and I have espoused in our comments that you disagreed and considered ‘secular’ has the support of real life situations done by the Prophet Of God.Emulating the Prophet is a sunnah but following the teachings of your 40 hafiz if contrary to the ways of the Prophet is not!
6-These 40 hafiz can’t be any cleverer than the Prophet of God, a chosen one of God,a man who has been selected by Prof Hart,a Jew, as the No 1,in the ‘Top 100 Most Influential Man in History’.
7-When you say that a new Sallehuddin will appear..will he come in peace or will it be a violent appearance?Will he come subjected to the laws of cause and effects which will be, as the sohih hadis suggested’ in the way of the Prophet’? Or will his, be a magical appearance supported by myriads of angels ,with brimstones pouring from the heavens and armies equipped with magical laser,Star War like weapons?Will he appear on a horseback equipped with M-16 and look like one of the Talibans or maybe,someone like Osama ben Laden?
8-Please let us have more insight into what your 40 hafiz/conventional education have told you about our salvation through this ‘Sallehuddin’ so that we secular people may be able to buy it and hence also contribute in whatever way we can to deliver victory to this message of ‘peace’?
9-Being mostly desperate people we are always ready for hope if only you can convince us.I believe that we are also running out of time.
Thanks Tun
Assalammualaikum Tun,
Mohon laluan. When we start to discuss about Islam, Melayu, Palestine many Non Muslim or Non Malay did not understand the true feeling of our heart. For example on Palestine issue, their view is always anti-Palestine for the reason I still do not understand. Why should the support the Zionist oppression than Palestinian depression??? They just blatantly un-supportive towards Palestinian just because they are not Muslim??? That is it?? The life of a Muslim is cheaper than other kind, is it??? This is what we call ISLAMIPHOBIA…
eKompute’s opinion is always the dumbest and kiasu-est…
Assallammualaikumwarahmatulahiwabarokatuh..
Harap Tun sudi mengizinkan..
[[Bro amin tan
Bro Wajaperak keep on harping Tun, Parameswara 2 and Amin tan as secular and therefore their views on islam are unacceptable.]]
Did I ever insinuates or implied any notion or nuances that Tun,Paramesawara 2 and Amin Tan views on Islam are unacceptable?..No..I did not.Never was and never will be..:)
What I did says is Islamic scholar more prominent than Tun,Parameswara 2 and amin tan have wrote countless solution in their books,studies,etc..etc and yet Muslim are still here laging behind for the simplest fact that they have not offer solutions through proper Islamic methodology..namely..
1)First.True Islamic education.Awalludin makrifatullah.
Have Tun,Parameswara 2 and bro amin tan have ever touch this subject in their writings?…:)
2)Achievement and accomplishment.
The ability to memorize essential Surah in Al Quran like Surah Yassin,Surah Al Kahfi,Surah An Najm an the likes.Memorizes,qoute and use them at will.My brethren have not touch this subject too.Maybe they have forgotten Allah dare in Al Quran..
“Tunjukkan lah bukti jika kamu orang yang benar”.
3)The management of the Mosque.
A place of modern Suffah must be made available.Yet in Housing posting Tun and my brothers did not mention the need and plight of transiet,tramp and vagabond according to Islamic perspective.
4)Micro management of economic.
Tun is well known about economic management.But what people like me and my soulmates have gather directly any benefit of Tun prominence??..It must starts from the mosque and Baitulmal.
5)Muslim shows of strenght.
We showed our unity and strenght starting gathering in the mosque.But most unfortunately Tun always adress audience in posh hotels.What about a change in making our meeting in the mosque?
This is a few instances of moves that have been overlook by Tun and my beloved brother’s..
[[Whereas Bro Wajaperak himself never reveal in clear terms what his recommendation would be or the correct approach would be]]
We must introduces measures gradually as weaning needs to be done.We wean muslims that have been deceives by themselves the proper approach that is coming back to Muslim primary education.The word is Islamic education..
[[If being secular is wrong and not islamic, then we are not exactly muslims or wholesome muslims.]]
Approaches..approaches.Most drugs addict is muslim.What have we done to address the matter??
[[Then what about the Quran says ‘Robbana athina fi dunia hasannah, wa fil akhirati hasannah, wa kina azabannar.’]]
Bro amin tan.The anti hadith is kafirian.They claimed they are doing the muslim world over good.Your Quran verses is their battle cry.But Islam is about real practices which started from the principal education.
[[However, Quran says human is daif. I am human therefore I too am subjected to human fallacies. wallahuallam. I sincerely apologize to whoever I may have hurt through my commen]]
Me the utmost weaklings!!..Though I am weak,I must uphold “amanah”.
My late Ustaz says I must passed over whatever he have inherited his knowledges to muslim in general..Therefore I am a Mualim.Standard 2 must teaches Standard 1 students and so on..The flows of Islamic education comes from the higher hierachy to lower one..Islam is this simple.
Bro and to whom it may conscience..When you prays in the Jumma’t subuh,where will you stand?..Near Imam so you could correct his Surah Sajadah and Al Insan mistakes..or
At way back saf because you don’t have the
Ability to check and correct the mistakes because you are just the blind followers?
Terima kasih Abang.
Terima kasih Tun.
Anti-Semitism: Zionism’s Indispensable Alibi
Watch as below:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScjJDQUl9dw&feature=player_embedded
The Holocaust, Anti-Semitism, etc., are all Zionist concoction, ploy and deception.
Beware of those Zionists and their proponents…, those are the real evil rascals.
Para 15 should also include Singapore.
Dear Tun,
May I refer to Wajaperak January 1, 2011. 1.15pm. Bro Wajaperak keep on harping Tun, Parameswara 2 and Amin tan as secular and therefore their views on islam are unacceptable. Whereas Bro Wajaperak himself never reveal in clear terms what his recommendation would be or the correct approach would be.
If being secular is wrong and not islamic, then we are not exactly muslims or wholesome muslims. Then what about the Quran says ‘Robbana athina fi dunia hasannah, wa fil akhirati hasannah, wa kina azabannar.’
However, Quran says human is daif. I am human therefore I too am subjected to human fallacies. wallahuallam. I sincerely apologize to whoever I may have hurt through my comment.
amin tan
BEN STEIN ACCUSES RON PAUL OF ANTI-SEMITISM ON LARRY KING :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOV0qCW7nBA
IS RON PAUL REALLY AN ANTI-SEMITE OR THE ONLY ONE WITH THE BALLS TO TELL US THE TRUTH!? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yOa7FrgUg&feature=related
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Tun saya mohon diizinkan ruang..
[[difefu Dear Ainaq, if that is the case, why do some Muslims still want so much about Jerusalem? I don’t get it.]]
Mr difefu..what were you thinking sir?This whole things have lasted few thousand years..It could not be succintly explained in few line of Tun blog or and expert opinion of Prof_Ridcully.
You must go to the library and done research regarding this subject..Or like I have mentioned earlier,seeks from the Islam expert..It cannot be more true than the old adage sir..
Seek..and thou shall find..
But I can gives you and insight about the whole matter..
The Jews were once Muslims.
They tries to fools the world over about this fact.
Please clarifies and you will understands this comprehension escapes even our good Mr Paramesawara 2..
Terima kasih Tun..
So be it Tun, so be it… and i like no. 15.
Assallammualaikumwarahmatulahhiwabarokatuh..
Tun..sudilah mengizinkan ruang untuk saya..
Mr Parameswara2
[[1-Agree with jaguar.Why should we be angry with our enemies,people who are smart enough to use their resources to safeguard their interest and their future when the Muslims although afforded by God with even much more have only floundered away their wealth?]]
I have again and again reminds you the danger of being secular.And this is the result of not practicing the true Islamic education and knowledge.First and foremost,Islam have their very own unique way of identifying issues,matter and problems that we face daily.If we don’t practices them..we will get this perceptions that the kafirian ways are applicable for muslims..
This is a definite no..no
[[5-The prophet of God when he came focused on a task of uniting people into a community.He started this mission in Medina. In spite of all the atrocities committed by the ignorant Meccans against them,they just persevered.All they were seeking was peace so that they can focus on a more important job..to unite and strengthen the community.]]
Mr Parameswara 2.Like amin tan comment on tuacheng hoping him to becomes Saidina Umar,we can safely says it is fat chance.Secondly in Islamic practice,one must realizes the true nature of proceedings.Rasullulah s.a.w tasks is not uniting people into a community.It is akin like saying..we must put the cart first before the horse and hopefully we can find solutions for this enigma later..It does not work like that Mr..
Rasullulah s.a.w job description is..
“Tidaklah aku di utuskan melainkan untuk menyampaikan akhlak yang mulia”
Unity,prosperity,peace,tranquility and whatsoever comes after this..
[[6-It was the strength through the unity of the community in Medina that eventually reduced the arrogance of the Meccans, not the endless provocation and condemnation of the enemies.Its about time the Muslims emulate this wisdom shown by the prophet.There is no other way]]
Or you could say that such beautiful moral and brotherhood finally appeals to their senses,and open their heart to the Islam light.
[[7-The real people we should be condemning endlessly from now on are only our own people,all the hypocrites those people in power,the political guys,the religious clerics and whoever that are creating schisms instead.Lets fight these people ,the real enemies with all our hearts and soul.]]
No.My emphatic no.We must condemns ignorance.It is ignorance of the truly Islamic teachings that leaves what Islam in its state today.If you or anybody feels that you know more than I am,please tell me and let me know.If you don’t know please asks from the proper authorities..If you deliberately misleading muslim in general,I will have to correct it whichever I am capable of..If after sometimes after proven times and again we exhaust all avenue of discussion..the matter will have to be resolves by physical mean..
[[8-In my opinion you should be focusing on how to get the Muslims to start working smart.Just keep doing this job until kingdom come and nothing else.Because if you can’t Tun then no one else in the Muslim World can, and the Muslims I am afraid will only be heading for more trying times]]
Again through real Islamic education.Tun have his chances and still is.But Tun like always, love to do things secular ways.Why not for the first time Tun invites all of us stay in Masjid Putrajaya for 3 days and night for a beginning..You will realizes they who walks the talks might not last the cold nights in the mosque..
And trust me..It is cold hearts who could not survives the trial and credentialing of this world..
Terima kasih Tun.
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Moga Tun sudi mengizinkan ruang..
[[Prabagaran Gopalakrishnan
Tun, maybe you can help me to understand why the Arab countries some with extreme riches are unable to help the Palestine cause. We have an Arab country that has won the bid for the world cup promising to build air-conditioned stadiums. This country i think has a local population of 200,000 which is about the same as my hometown of Ipoh]]
Spot on Mr Prabagran Gopalakrishnan..But with all due respect,you should asks a muslim expert such as Imam,Hafiz and the likes..Remember..asks and enquires only from the true ulamak which
does not wear ties and spoke brazenly about Islam!!
[[Egypt which has the boarder with Gaza has closed the boarder. Even humanitarian aid is almost impossible to pass thru this boarder much less trade. Gaza people have made tunnel to smuggle goods from Egypt at great risk. Your comment on this, Tun?]]
You ask only for Tun and for your status I can be said tremble and in awe with you and Tun persona.But Islam is all about practical.The reason have been mentioned in Al Quran and Sunnah.I truly respect your wisdom and trully hope you do not understand Islam the way ekompute emphasizes them..
Terima kasih Tun.
Dear Tun,
As to point 15, if the British didn’t come, others would surely have.
As one of the Indonesian maids told me, “you people in Malaysia is lucky to have the British.”
Indeed they did quite good in that they employed ppl to build roads without tolls.. something not even our own countrymen could match nowadays. (at that era, tar roads are the highways, don’t believe can go to Africa and take a good look at the roads condition there).
They had to take Australia and New Zealand, or else, someone else would have taken it. As to who finally took it, I could only say, G-d had the final say.
Dear Tun,
As to point 15, to be fair, North Africa and the Sahara have aborigins too, before the Arabs move in.
So this is not an issue; the whole world is practising migration anyway.
The only difference is some come with guns and others, peacefully.
Those who come peacefully should be treated as equals for the fourth generations onwards.
Those who come with guns must be dealt with according to the international laws.
Unfortunately, in those days, such international laws did not exist.
So, this was also not an issue at that time.
Dearest Tun
TuaChengAuthor Profile Page on December 30, 2010 2:43 PM
//..Who is to be blame, when you let people colonize your land???
Since Israelites/Israelis are also one of the righful owner of the land and also the one with good relations with the British, they get to take over these lands.//
1-TuaCheng may have a point here.The Jews were kicked out from this land by the Babylonians many many centuries ago.That means to say they were the rightful owners of the land but they were unfairly or unjustly robbed off their land by these conquerors.But the fact is that they,the Jews have lost the original Israel.
2-Now the same thing has happened to the Palestinians.They have been colonized by a new Babylonian people,the British.These people have been unfairly robbed off half of their land which has been returned to the Jews.And the fact is that they,the Palestinians have lost half of the original Palestine.
3-Now surely this is the will of God.That it has happened with God’s full knowledge.A situation they must also learn to accept gracefully.The Palestinians must thank God at least they only lost half when the Jews before lost everything!
4-So the Palestinians must learn how to accept this trial from their lord positively.They must immediately learn to let go what they have already lost and focus only on the remaining half they still have,for if this too is not properly guarded they will soon have nothing left for themselves.
5-The only way to safeguard this portion is definitely not by doing whatever they are doing right now.Which is not the way of people who have accepted or surrendered to the test from their lord,but more like people who doesn’t trust God but instead trust ‘someone’ else.
6-What I would recommend is of course for them to seek a treaty of any kind in the spirit of the Hudaibiyah.Or any other way that would ensure no more lives are lost.That would include becoming part of Israel if it takes as I have commented before.
7-But of course,only God knows best.Happy New Year to Tun and all chedet bloggers and may peace be upon all of you!
Thanks Tun.
Congrat !!!!!! TUN .. Only truth SHUHADAH can be on the list and YOU ARE the ONE ….
[Surah Al-Baqara .v 120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah’s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.
May Allah help you and make you succeed. He is your guardian and protector.
Dear Tun,
May I ask your kind permission to seek clarification from Ainaq, who says “Allah then Changed the direction of prayers to Mecca”..
Dear Ainaq, if that is the case, why do some Muslims still want so much about Jerusalem? I don’t get it.
I agree with most of what adamfariz says. But better a Hang Jebat than a Hang Tuah be. And let’s not be the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. Let’s look at our own backyard so that we won’t have to worry about people throwing stones.
The Qur
Salam Tun Dr Mahathir ,
1. You have said it loud and clear, and it has been acknowledged
globally.
2. One thing for sure, you have the gut to say it out. Many leaders
today don’t. I am honored to live in the era of Mahathirism,
knowing that we do have quality leader like you in today’s
world. The best thing is that you have set a precedence of the
true voice of humanity who was born in the truly Asia, from a
small country call Malaysia. Who will be your next apprentice?
3. Your voice should not reflect only as Malaysia’s stand towards the injustice, oppression and illegal violence, it should also be viewed as the the stand of the majority of the world citizen that againts those criminal acts, regardless of religions, beliefs or races. You are the mediator, the brave and the brainy one that walk the talk.
4. Agreed with you, your view should not be manipulated as anti-semitic. But if it is not, we wouldnt be popular like today. So I guess it is partially good to be in the list. We condemned what have been proven wrong and injustice. And if that will put us into trouble, let’s live with the trouble and the truth shall be revealed one day.
5.Thanks Tun Dr Mahathir for making us (those who support you) feel proud and notice. You have defined the new paradigm in today’s society againts the Zionism and also other injustice.
5. Lastly, congratulation for being the Top 10 list. That’s more meaningful than getting a Nobel Prize. You are the modern Hang Tuah. Your name will be the next generation reference for leadership, hero and intelligence figure.
Ertinya : Memberikan pinjaman (tanpa faedah) itu lebih baik dari memberi sedeqah (Al-Bayhaqi, 5/354)
Maksudnya: “Pada malam aku pergi ke syurga (semasa Israk Mi’raj), aku melihat tertulis di dalam pintu Syurga, “Setiap sumbangan sedeqah digandakan pahalanya kepada sepuluh kali, dan setiap pinjaman tanpa faedah digandakan sebanyak 18 kali” lalu aku (Nabi) bertanya : wahai Jibrail, mengapakah pemberian pinjam lebih mulai daripada sedeqah? Jawab Jibrail : Kerana yang meminta di waktu meminta itu, sedang ia masih memiliki (mampu), sedangkan orang yang meminta pinjaman tidak akan meminta pinjam kecuali benar-benar di kala keperluan.” (Riwayat oleh Ibn Majah)http://kerjaya-muslim.blogspot.com/
Selamat dan Salam untuk Tun sekeluarga.
Israel sudah menjadi angkuh dan berlagak sebagai Kuasa Besar. Yang anehnya keangkuhan itu tiada satu negara pun yang berani dan sanggup untuk menghalangnya, mahupun negara kuat Eropah dan negara Super Power seperti Russia, China atau Amerika sekalipun. Kerap kali apabila dunia mengutuk Israel kerana melakukan kekejaman terhadap orang Palestin; maka setiap kritikan dan teguran itu dilebel sebagai Anti-semitic pula.
Peristiwa Holacaus berlaku di Eropah oleh pihak JERMAN dan SEKUTU-SEKUTU yang bersekongkol dengannya. Mereka banyak membunuh dengan kejamnya orang Yahudi(kanak-kanak, wanita dan orang dewasa) tanpa belas kasihan dengan tujuan untuk menghapuskan mereka di bumi Eropah.
Sebagai bangsa yang telah dizalimi orang Eropah, bangsa Yahudi(sehingga beberapa generasi); mungkin tidak dapat melupakan dan berazam satu hari nanti ingin membalas dendam keatas orang Eropah yang bertindak kejam keatas mereka dan bukannya terhadap orang Palestin yang sebenarnya jiran dan bangsa serumpun dengan mereka. http://www.suite101.com/content/jewish-revenge-against-germans-after-the-holocaust-a321305 ).
Sebenarnya ini adalah agenda Barat yang telah ditanam dalam minda orang Yahudi itu sendiri bagi menutup kesalahan mereka. Menterbalikkan fakta supaya orang Palestin dijadikan sasaran, daripada yang sepatutnya, iaitu negara-negara yang bersekongkol dengan German (kecuali Jepun), mereka menganiaya orang Yahudi.
Barat mungkin telah menghidu lebih awal tentang niat membalas dendam orang Yahudi itu(dengan berlakunya beberapa insiden), bertindak segera menubuhkan Negara Israel yang sengaja dirampas daripada orang Palestin dan sekali gus menimbulkan suasana kemarahan orang Palestin dan masyarakat Islam sedunia.
Kewujudan Negara Israel adalah merupakan pakatan dan agenda tersembunyi Barat yang disokong Amerika(tempat ramai orang Barat dan Yahudi berhijrah) memesongkan pemikiran Yahudi(bahawa Palestin adalah musuh sebenar mereka yang perlu ditangani).
Usaha juga dilakukan bagi memesongkan tanggapan masyarakat dunia(khusunya orang Yahudi seluruh dunia) supaya tidak menuding kesalahan lampau itu terhadap orang Eropah.
Penubuhan Israel itu sengaja dirancangkan agar berlaku keadaan tidak setabil tetapi terkawal dengan bantuan Barat sendiri. Melalui
I still cannot understand this big hoo-hah about being anti-Semitic. Isn’t it a fact or am I mistaken? Or is Tun trying to say that he is pro-Semitic?
Goodday TUN,
Your views against the Israel and the US(United SUCK) country are spot on.If the Jews want to label you as an ANTI-Semetic from which that i know that you are not,by all means please let them do.
The whole world knows that Israel and US are the jerks of the world.
Personally,OBAMA is just a puppet in his own country.I don’t think he will be around for the next term.I hope a massive earthquake will hit Israel and wipe out all the babies killers in that contry.
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Assalam alaikum
YABhg Tun & all CheDet “Fellows”
About the terms of Anti Semitic. Semitic not also refers to Jewish only but also races that are rooted from Jewish of course the forefarther or forebear of the Arabs. Anti-Semite terms should be change to Anti-Israel.
Israel are the root cause of world catastrophe. Whether since our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW untill today. They create quid pro quo in order to create world uncertainties which America & Co. includes Singapore as thier “trojan horses.”
I feel proud and thanks to Allah SWT the Almighty that you’re listed in that term due to your efforts of “WikiLeaking” thier fault and errors in todays human civilization. Many of leaders particularly in the Arabs countries not dare to do as what you had done.
Jewish aka Israel only 5 millions. The entire Muslims around the world nearly around 500 millions. When 5 Vs 500, 500 become a loser. Among the Top 10 only one Muslims, that is you. Where the others? We have around 500 millions Muslims comrades. How about the Iranian President? Hopefully so listed.
Israel Must Be Wiped Out of the World Map
Adieu…
Dear Tun ,
Your prudence and vigilance amazed me . You have refreshen me the earnestness of a great man . Mahatma Gandhi the man who professed non violence and who was assassinated because of his good deeds . A good man is bad for bad people , as someone remarks .
I bummed into this guy named George Green in Kandahar , 1969 . We traveled together and became the best of friends . He was on his way back from India to the United States while I was on my way to the West . He went to the East because he was running away from the Western technology to the Eastern thinking . For me , I walked from the East to the West looking for an adventure and to challenge the unknown .
Our friendship grew on as we traveled in cooperation through Afghanistan , Iran , Turkey and Greece . We had often been engage in conversation about many subjects matter specifically about human ecology , life world and human nature . Our understanding was what were needed to be a good human being . We shared our foods and drinks . We visited many interesting places . For an example , the Islamic shine in Herat . For our personal security we watched over each other .We had developed to a truly friendship meant .
He brought up the subject about the Jews a number of times . He asked me did I ever knew about the Jews . My answer was just that I did not know them and I disliked them . I was 21 years old then . When he asked me why . My parents told me so . He was silent by that response .
He had to fly off back to Chicago . At the airport in Athens I said fair well to him . His goodby to me was a big hug and whispered , ” Ghaf you are my best friend and you are apart of my family now , whenever you decided to come to America , you are always welcome in our home , I WANT TO TELL YOU AND FOR YOU TO KNOW , THAT I AM A JEW ” .
The Jew that I did not know was my best friend . We are still friends and still keep our friendship. He and I still maintain the expression and belief , PEACE NOT WAR , from our days of the flower culture ,1969 . We have learnt our way .
Unable to accept Jews also the original dwellers of Jerusalem, Bethelehem and the Land of Zion, is pure ignorant of history.
Nobody can doubt, Jews is foreigner in these lands.
But strangely why play up the stories that all these belongs to the Palestines.
Honestly, being woely, dilapidated or outdated, that gave way for the British to colonizes these lands of Holy by the teachings of Abraham.
Who is to be blame, when you let people colonize your land???
Since Israelites/Israelis are also one of the righful owner of the land and also the one with good relations with the British, they get to take over these lands.
Talk about rightful, when Malaysia we can have many foreigners turn son of soils. What is wrong when British hand it over to one of the owners?
By the way,I dont think Mr.Mahathir is anti-semitic, he just plain selfish to play up such issues for political mileage.
We don’t have to go that far to see people labeling and disgracing others for the sake of keeping their source of income. Here in our country if you try to be a real Muslim practicing REAL way of life, you’ll be called wahabbi.
Anyways yes I’m with you Tun on this… 🙂
//By JaquarAuthor Profile Page on December 26, 2010 12:12 AM
..The battle is not with Israel or the West. It is within your own Islamic household countries who do not know how to play tough negotiating politics like Israel(US lobbying) except though the sword and whining all the time. Israel spend billions on lobbying the US and Western countries to their favor. Rich islamic countries spend billions on their own indulgence…So please stop calling the pot from calling the kettle black. Start pushing the Arab countries that you have more influence on to unite and do something for Palestine instead of whining about Isreal all the time. Get your onw household in order first. The Zioinist have, have you? //
1-Agree with jaguar.Why should we be angry with our enemies,people who are smart enough to use their resources to safeguard their interest and their future when the Muslims although afforded by God with even much more have only floundered away their wealth?
2-Its simply unwise for us to blame the Jews for doing what is only expected of them.Do we expect them to be loving the Muslims instead?Are we that ignorant not to know their attitude towards the Muslims all these years?
3-If we know that they may want to exterminate us shouldn’t it be only common sense for us to work out something to ward of these threats instead of whining and condemning the enemies?When we act foolishly can we blame the world in not sympathizing with the Muslims?Or can we blame if they also join in to hate us?
4-So if the Muslims after being blessed with more oil than any one else in this World, a great strategic location and most important of all, already afforded a great Prophet of God as their guide- and yet act so ‘unenlightened’ then they only have themselves to blame.
5-The prophet of God when he came focused on a task of uniting people into a community.He started this mission in Medina. In spite of all the atrocities committed by the ignorant Meccans against them,they just persevered.All they were seeking was peace so that they can focus on a more important job..to unite and strengthen the community.
6-It was the strength through the unity of the community in Medina that eventually reduced the arrogance of the Meccans, not the endless provocation and condemnation of the enemies.Its about time the Muslims emulate this wisdom shown by the prophet.There is no other way.
7-The real people we should be condemning endlessly from now on are only our own people,all the hypocrites those people in power,the political guys,the religious clerics and whoever that are creating schisms instead.Lets fight these people ,the real enemies with all our hearts and soul .
8-In my opinion you should be focusing on how to get the Muslims to start working smart.Just keep doing this job until kingdom come and nothing else.Because if you can’t Tun then no one else in the Muslim World can, and the Muslims I am afraid will only be heading for more trying times.
Thanks Tun
Tun,
You seem to have increased your lead time for your US/Israel/ Britain series.
So I am assuming your next write up will be probably on Blair again.
Regards, Happy New Year.
Ataturk
Dear Tun ,
Your prudence and vigilance amazed me . You have refreshen me the earnestness of a great man . Mahatma Gandhi the man who professed non violence and who was assassinated because of his good deeds . A good man is bad for bad people , as someone remarks .
I bummed into this guy named George Green in Kandahar , 1969 . We traveled together and became the best of friends . He was on his way back from India to the United States while I was on my way to the West . He went to the East because he was running away from the Western technology to the Eastern thinking . For me , I walked from the East to the West looking for an adventure and to challenge the unknown .
Our friendship grew on as we traveled in cooperation through Afghanistan , Iran , Turkey and Greece . We had often been engage in conversation about many subjects matter specifically about human ecology , life world and human nature . Our understanding was what were needed to be a good human being . We shared our foods and drinks . We visited many interesting places . For an example , the Islamic shine in Herat . For our personal security we watched over each other .We had developed to a truly friendship meant .
He brought up the subject about the Jews a number of times . He asked me did I ever knew about the Jews . My answer was just that I did not know them and I disliked them . I was 21 years old then . When he asked me why . My parents told me so . He was silent by that response .
He had to fly off back to Chicago . At the airport in Athens I said fair well to him . His goodby to me was a big hug and whispered , ” Ghaf you are my best friend and you are apart of my family now , whenever you decided to come to America , you are always welcome in our home , I WANT TO TELL YOU AND FOR YOU TO KNOW , THAT I AM A JEW ” .
The Jew that I did not know was my best friend . We are still friends and still keep our friendship. He and I still maintain the expression and belief , PEACE NOT WAR , from our days of the flower culture ,1969 . We have learnt our way .
Dear Friends of Che Det.com
The Zionist Regime has no government. In fact they set up such illegal government in the illegal settlement. Geographically speaking that settlement has been modified without the approval of the Palestinians themselves. Secondly that land originally belongs to the Palestinians who are mostly being transported to different parts of the world and thirdly, that occupied land by the Zionist Regime is simply illegal and will not be approved as holy land but instead the land of illegal immigrant …..
Salam dan doa agar Tun sentiasa sihat dan terus kuat mempertahankan falsafah kebenaran serta prinsip yang dipertahan. Perkara Tun digelar anti-sematik oleh penulis dari barat itu bagi saya tidak ada membawa apa-apa makna dan harga kerana seluruh dunia telah tahu perbuatan kerajaan dan pendokong kuat negara Izrael terhadap rakyat Palestine dan pada pendapat saya isu ini akan berakhir apabila izrafil meniup sangkakala sahaja.Penulis itu dengan sengaja memadamkan perbuatan kejam tokoh zionis yang lalu terhadap Palastine dan tidak pula dia menyenaraikan tokoh tersebut sebagai pemusnah dan pembunuh tetapi apabila ada tokoh dari mana-mana ceruk didunia yang mengkritik Izrael maka tokoh itu disebut sebagai anti-sematik atau anti yahudi.Seperti yang Tun sebut semasa persidangan OIC dulu “Jew control the world by using proxy”, Sekali lagi terbukti apabila penulis senarai itu juga adalah proxy mereka.Perjuangan Tun tidak lagi selesai, perjuangan saya juga belum selesai selagi ada hayat, saya tidak rela membenarkan “Proxy” mereka berada dibumi kita bertuah ini. Sekian
Assalamualaikum Tun Dr. Mahathir,
I personally think that the media is being used to mislead others from knowing the whole truth about the Israeli illegal occupation on Gaza Strip. Mostly the media in the US will try their best to block any articles that reflect the Zionist as terrorist. The Jewish Lobby such as AIPAC is one of those organizations that promoting the Jews community as Pro the US president and Pro Jews. Barack Obama must get the blessing from AIPAC before he can be the President of the United States of America. In other words the Jewish Lobby is crucial for the survival of any US president. As for you Tun Dr. Mahathir I am truly proud of your achievement so far. You are the only world leader who conquer the stage against the Zionist Regime. In fact you are the one who champion the rights of the Iraqis, Palestinians and all those who are being tortured to death by the Zionist Terrorist and co-joined terrorist all over the world. Allah bless you Tun Dr. Mahathir..
Dear Tun,
Please allow me to add to ALL my previous suggestions with this important ending : “.. only if that’s according to G-d’s will”.
Happy 2011 to Tun and all!
Salam buat Tun dan semua pembaca setia blog ini.
ISRAEL = YAHUDI (JEWISH ) BANGSA PENGECUT = PENAKUT !
Rakyat Palestin hanya bersenjatakan BATU tapi YAHUDI
serang guna senjata api termasuk BOM dan sebagainya
namun masih GAGAL usir dan tawan Palestin.
BETUL PUNYA BODOH DAN LEMAHNYA ISRAEL SEBENARNYA !
Cuba bayangkan sekiranya PALESTIN memiliki senjata
sehebat mereka dan apa yang akan terjadi pada ISRAEL???
(Kalau nak tahu benarkan Palestin pertahankan diri
guna senjata seperti ISRAEL – confirm dalam masa 24jam
lenyaplah YAHUDI = ISRAEL dari muka bumi PALESTIN)
WHY Palestin cannot protect thier country & life
by using weapon same as ISRAEL ?
WHO make the rules ISRAEL can killing whoever people
(Palestinian)they want?
WHY SUPER POWER Country do not take any action
against ISRAEL?
WHERE’S the JUSTICE ?????
SALUTE pada HITLER ( NAZI ) dan seluruh dunia sudah
faham kenapa HARUS PERANGI YAHUDI habis – habisan.
YAHUDI akan menyerang sesiapa sahaja tidak kira BANGSA
AGAMA & NEGARA jika tidak gunakan senjata mereka akan
gunakan kuasa Politik dan Ekonomi.Rakyat Malaysia
tidak pernah sekali-kali lupa keruntuhan EKONOMI 1998
angkara YAHUDI!
” ISLAM pasti bangkit antara lambat atau cepat dan
bongkah batu akan beritahu jika orang YAHUDI berlindung disebaliknya ” .
Begitulah HINAnya bangsa ISRAEL ini
sehinggakan BATU pun tidak mahu menjadi perisai benteng
pertahanan bangsa ISRAEL akibat dari keZALIMAN
mereka lakukan sesama manusia terutama rakyat Palestin.
BOSAN , BOSAN , BOSAN & MELUAT !
HENTIKAN sahaja semua Rundingan Damai sebab
itu semua LAKONAN ISRAEL yang menguasai
Politik dan Ekonomi negara Barat.
ISRAEL = BANGSA PENINDAS , PENIPU DAN PEMBUNUH !
WALAU HEBAT macamana pun pakar RUNDINGAN
orang BARAT tidak akan berjaya selesaikan isu
KEZALIMAN YAHUDI = ISRAEL sebab mereka tiada
kekuatan dari segi Politik & Ekonomi
terpaksa patuh setiap inci ARAHAN YAHUDI !
MEMALUKAN satu Negara Kuasa Besar tetapi
“HIDUNG YANG MANCUNG DITINDIK ” !
Free Of Charge dapat status negara PEMBULI
angkara ISRAEL !NEGARA BARAT sudah tiada
cerdik pandai ke??? MALUNYA kalau saya
menjadi rakyat negara tersebut.
NEGARA BARAT , KESATUAN EROPAH DAN SEBAGAINYA
BUKAN MUSUH NEGARA ISLAM !
YAHUDI = ISRAEL ADALAH MUSUH BUAT NEGARA BARAT
KESATUAN EROPAH DAN LAIN2 LAGI TERMASUK SEMUA
NEGARA ISLAM.
ISRAEL adalah PUNCA ketidakstabilan POLITIK
dan EKONOMI DUNIA kerana sifatnya yang
ANGGKUH anggap dirinya sahaja yang betul dan TAMAK !
CHEDET kami menyokong penuh segala usaha Tuan
terutama hal yang berkaitan dengan kekejaman dan
penindasan sesama manusia tidak kira siapa yang melakukannya
baik ISRAEL ataupun sesiapa sahaja dan setiap manusia
yang ditindas berhak mendapat pembelaan.
My last words to denied all WEST ( ISRAEL ) PERFECT solution.
” World will be safe when ISRAEL is no longer in this planet ”
Dear Tun,
Please ignore my previous message, that was just a joke.
But, the concept is still the same: if as many countries in the world who support the Palestian people well-being involve positively to help the people of Palestine and Israel, the suffering of these people in that region will be kept to the minimal.
Meaning, the Palestian people should be considered “free people” of the world, who can travel to any country who support the Palestian people as well as those countries who support the creation Israel, without prejudice. Especially so for the countries who previously supported the creation of Israel in 1948. They have the moral obligation to grant free access to the Palestinian people.
Let’s start with the Arab countries, then the US, followed by the rest of the world. Let’s help the Palestinian people in the positive way.
If these countries are scared that the influx of people will cause unrest, then please ask the UN to set up schools to educate the children there first, and have a long term plan clearly explained to them, so that they know that there is still hope in the future, and that the world community cares for them. If they know that in the future they have free access to anywhere in the world, they will be less likely to be engaging in acts that hurt others as well as themselves and their families.
Dear Tun,
I suggest the US accepts all the Palestinian people into the US soil.
Then, peace in the Middle East will entail.
Assalamualaikum Tun
ZIONIST IS NOT JUDAISM ! we the malaysians always proud of u Tun … keep on fighting and we will always behind you !
Salaam Tun, semoga sihat selalu, Insya’allah.
They have deep “agenda halus” even in Malaysia. For a start, we have been given food that are haram. Being born in the state of “Fitrah” we (our people) must be nourished with halal food so to become intelligent and be kind.
It’s been known in Malaysia dispite some NGOs disclosure that a well-known international fast food is serving non-halal food. We cannot seem to take proper action. Why? simply because somebody might be closing an eye and the best part is the Govt knows this.
We should, our people, our govt must inform the rakyat on what is Haram Halal openly. The law is in place, enforce it bravely. Why subahat with these people when our future umat’s akal is being fed with lust & greed.
Tun, pls share your thought on this with the Govt. Pls make the micro change along our strategic goals and planning, it will bear fruit in the long run. Insya’allah.
Dear Tun,
Since Tun’s comments will have a great impact on our countries’ image (and our citizens will have a hard time crossing borders of the civilized world, with endless body search etc.), and the general economic well-being of the people in this beloved country of ours, I can’t help but to voice out my opinion.
Firstly, “They had to be confined to ghettoes and periodically massacred.” is not something that should be uttered by a person with your kind of high standing. It is extremely rude and offensive. Even neutral persons of their ethnic group will find that is enough a trigger not to engage with Malaysia economic activities anymore.
Secondly, the next time you visit to the border towns in Israel, go to their police stations and ask for the bomb shells landed in the area. They will show you tons of evidence. Every action there is a reaction.
It took such an unspeakable suffering to establish the current world order. Do you expect another war of such a degree to redraw the boundaries? We do not want another world war anymore. Please accept the current boundaries and move on. Strange thing is, even Egypt find it hard to let their own kind of people in the Gaza to cross the borders, there must be some room for improvement.
There is an old saying from one of the oldest surviving civilizations: “If we retaliate for the retaliations that we suffer, it will be never ending story”. In nature, “negative feedback” will result in equilibrium. What Tun has said is “positive feedback”, which will result in more hatred, fighting, and suffering.
Let’s engage in “negative feedback” activities to alleviate th problems.
Let’s try not to fan the fire.
Dunia Islam ashik mengeluh,mengata ini mengata itu.
Dengan pa yg diperlakuka sekarang maka akhirnya kesudahannya sama.
Tidak membawa perubahan dan tidak berkesan langsung
Senjata nak berlawan dengan kata kata,maka inilah kesudahanya.
Senjata mesti bertutur denga senjata.
Maka iktibarnya Dunia Islam perlu bangunkan Ketenteraan,
memajukan teknology Ketenteraan,cara sendiri atau mengimport pakar dari luar kalau perlu.
Kita dizalimi,kita dibudak budakan.
Mengapa mereka olih memajukan ketenteraan mereka,dan kita hanya bergantung pada mereka.Seolah kita hanya boneka yg hanya dipermainkan.
Contoh yg nyata North Korea,walaupun hidup rakyat mereka ada kemiskinan,TETAPI mereka tetap membangunkan Ketenteraan mereka.
Jika tidak North Korea akan hidup di terlunjuk musuh mereka.
Seperti sekarang Dunia Islam tunduk pada Amerika,Israel,Britain.
DIsebabkan kita lemah,bukan kita salah.
Mereka kuat itulah sebab mereka dipandang betul.Dan bukan mereka betul.
Senjata perlu bertutur dengan senjata.
Kata ditutur dengan kata.
AKHIRKATA,ini semua memang sudah ditulis,
Kita yg perlu berusaha,ini urusan manusia dengan manusia.
Salam Tun..
Alamak aih.. Panjang2nya diorang nie komen… Bukan ke komen tu sepatutnya pendek dan bernas.. Mmm.. Statutnya boh ja link ke blog korang… Isk.. Isk..
Anyway.. Tun… As always.. I pround of you.. Teruskan kelantangan itu demi kebenaran dan haq…
Wow
“but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.”
“I am simply against injustice, against oppression and unmitigated and illegal violence.”
I remember people being arrest under ISA for doing all these.
Interesting is it, if you are in power in Malaysia you can practice freedom of speech while the rest of us have to keep silent of face the imprisonment or suspension from parliament.
Dear Tun,
Fantastic write up, i especially like
” I am listed among the top 10. I suppose what I had said in 2010 are regarded by the Jewish Centre as slurs but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.”
I wonder, how does malaysia biggest tyrant that curbed the freedom of speech of his own people suddenly have the gall to come up and say he is exercising his freedom of speech… geez. Guess its ok for you to shoot your mouth around, but when you were PM any body that did exercise thier god given right to free speech was detained under ISA.
” 17. I am simply against injustice, against oppression and unmitigated and illegal violence”
why i wonder Tun were you not against injustice and oppression when you were the PM, rather you served to oppress in big helpings.
How about you forget about the jews and the plight of other people and start making ammeds to all the injustice you caused in this country.
And im not sure about you being anti semitic, i do knopw you are plain outright racist. Well in my opinion.
Dear Tun,
May I refer to Parameswara 2 on December 25, 2010 1.55AM. Congratulations for such brilliant, matured, fair and balanced comment. This is truly the 1Malaysia concept as expounded by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib and Malaysian Malaysia concept. It should redeem whatever short coming in the past and let our future generations enjoy the fruits of unity and sincerity. Wallahualam.
amin tan
Tun,
Per 5. My definition of ‘Anti-Semitism’ is holding Israel to a
higher moral standard than Hamas, Hezbollah, PA, Al-Qaeda etc.
Don’t you think Israel deserves due process rather than constant
slander. This is what UNEP had to say about Israels use of DU
munitions.
‘8 November 2006
Assalamualaikum Tun,
Rather than simply listing the people that they view as anti-Semitic, Simon Weisenthal Centre should really find the root cause of the problem. Why do many people are angry and hate the Zionist Jews? Why do day by day, Israel is increasingly being isolated by the world community? Simply branding people as anti-Semitic won’t solve the problem. Instead it will make these people listed as anti-Semetic more popular as more and more people become angry and hateful towards Israel.
On another note, my friend just came back from Egypt. Anyway, he told me how life was in Egypt. One of the things he said that, in Egypt, it was forbidden for anyone to do hold open demonstration to protest Israel’s continued building of illegal settlements in Palestinian land and Israel’s continued aggression towards the Palestinians. This is how the state of so call Islamic nations nowadays.
Maybe it is more important to preserve the diplomatic relationship with Israel rather than fight the cause of the poor Palestinians. By doing this Egypt can gain economic benefits as well as pleasing the US.
Again I call for Islamic nations to return back to the Al-Quran and the As-Sunnah. The Zionists jews are enemies of Islam, and they will stop at nothing until Islam is destroyed and the Muslims follow their way of life.
What does Islam taught us about befriending the enemies of Islam? What does Islam taught us about obligations to help all Muslims? What does Islam taught us about taking worldly possessions/benefits?
Ayahanda negara Tun yang di hormati dan dikasehi,
Saya ingin tahu apa kah sebab2 nye Tun ingin berjumpa dgn Sharukh Khan ketika Tun melawat India baru2 ini. What are his special attributes sehingga agenda Tun melawat india termasuk untuk bertemu beliau?
Sekian…semoga Tun dan bonda Tun Dr Siti Hasmah sentiasa beroleh kesihatan, dirahmati serta sentiasa dilindungi Nya.
Assalamualaikum…
where is barry wain, he should write about this anti-semitic thingy or current inflation in Australia that hit them very bad..
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Dear Tun,
LIST OF PERSONS ACCUSED OF BEING ANTI-SEMITES
The Jews have used the labeling of someone who speaks candidly about them and whom they dislike as an anti-semite on numerous people.
General Anthony Zinni, General George S. Patton, General George C. Marshall, General George Stratemeyer, General George M. Strong, Maj. General George Moseley, Lt. General Sherman Miles, General George Brown, Admiral Thomas Moorer, General Pedro Del Valle, Walt Disney, Charles, A. Lindberg, H. L. Mencken, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Lord Byron, Henry James, Washington Irving, Carl Jung, Jack Kerouc, Rudyard Kipling, D. H. Lawrence, James Russell Lowell, Henry Miller, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Theodore, Dreiser, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Carlyle, Henry Adams, George Elliot, Truman Capote, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Percy Shelly, H. G. Wells, Franz Liszt, Somerset Maugham, Eugene O’Neill, C Northcote Parkinson, Erza Pound, George Bernard Shaw, Richard Wagner, Robert Louis Stevenson, Sir Walter Scott, George Sand, Johannes Brahms, William Faulkner, George Orwell, President Gerald Ford, President Jimmy Carter, President Richard Nixon, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, Sen. Charles Percy, Sen. Adalai Stevenson, Rep. Paul Findley, Rep. Ed Zshau, Rep. Mervin Dymally, Rep. John R. Rarick, Rep. Jim Traficant, UN Ambassador Bill Scranton, Governor John B. Conally, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, President John F. Kennedy, President George H. W. Bush, President Harry S. Truman, Sen. J. William Fulbright, Sen. Jim Abourezk, Sen. Ernest F. Hollings, Rep. Pete McCloskey, Rep. Mary Rose Oakar, Rep. Gus Savage, Rep. Steven Stockman, Rep. Steven Stockman, Rep. Earl Hilliard, UN Ambassador Andrew Young, Defense Secretary, James Forrestall, Secretary of State James Baker, Rep. Fortney “Pete” Stark, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Mel Gibson, Michael Jackson, Gore Vidal, Mark Lande, Rabbi Elmer Berger, Marlon Brando, Steve Carlton, Robert Mitchum, Alfred Lilienthal, Dr. Billy Grahm, Peter Jennings
SOURCE The New Jerusalem
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Dear Tun,
The Power of Israel in the United States
James Petras’ New Book: “The Power of Israel in the United States”
By Stephen Lendman
10/26/06 “Information Clearing House” — — James Petras is Professor Emeritus of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York. He’s a noted academic figure on the US Left and a well-respected Latin American expert and longtime chronicler of the region’s popular struggles. He’s also an advisor to the landless workers in Brazil and the unemployed workers movement in Argentina. Along the way, he managed to find time to write many hundreds of articles and 62 books published in 29 languages including his latest one in which he discusses another vital world region he has extensive knowledge of and has written frequently about – the Middle East and specifically the state of Israel and its relations with its neighbors, the Palestinians and, most importantly and the subject of this book, the US.
Petras’ powerful new book is titled The Power of Israel in the United States. It’s a work of epic writing and essential reading documenting the enormous influence of the Jewish Lobby on US policy in the Middle East. It focuses like a laser to assure that policy conforms with Israel’s long-term goal for regional hegemony. The Lobby’s influence is broad and deep enough to include officials at the highest levels of government, the business community, academia, the clergy (especially the dominant Christian fundamentalists/Christian Zionists) and the mass media. Petras shows how together they’re able to assure the full and unconditional US support for all elements of Israel’s agenda going back decades even when that agenda harms our interests such as the unwinnable war in Iraq, any future one against Iran if it’s undertaken, and the appalling and brutal subjugation and colonization of the Palestinian people that serves no US interest whatever. In spite of it, the Lobby is able to get the US to go along with Israel unconditionally with no serious opposition to it tolerated.
The book is divided into four parts. This review will cover each one in detail, and what’s discussed will likely surprise any reader unfamiliar with the thoroughly documented account presented in it so compellingly. Petras sets the table in his introduction for what’s to come in the later chapters. He notes what author JJ Goldberg reported in his book Jewish Power: Inside the Jewish Establishment. Goldberg wrote in the early 1990s that 45% of the Democrat Party’s fundraising and 25% of that for the Republicans came from Jewish-funded Political Action Committees (PACS). Petras then updates the numbers using the ones Richard Cohen published in the Washington Post showing them now at 60% and 35% respectively, and that this funding relates to a single core issue – unconditional US support for Israel’s agenda including those parts of it human rights activists and observers of conscience judge most egregious and illegal. Petras stresses that no other single US lobby including Big Pharma, Big Oil, agribusiness, or any other one has this kind of dominant influence over the political process here. He refers to “Zioncon” ideologues and policymakers whose main goal is to make the Middle East into a “US-Israeli Co-Prosperity Sphere” under the fraudulent cover of promoting democracy in the region – but doing it through the barrel of a gun.
Petras explains the root of the Lobby’s power lies in the high proportion of Jewish families who are among the wealthiest and most influential ones in the country. He cites Forbes magazine that reported 25 –
30% of the wealthiest families here are Jewish despite the small percentage of Jews in the population overall. They include billionaires with enormous influence, and along with all others comprising the Jewish Lobby, have created a “tyranny of Israel over the US” with consequences grave enough to threaten world peace and stability, the global economy, and the very future of democracy in this country.
That democracy and our constitutionally protected rights now hang by a thread after the recent passage of the Military Commissions Act (aka the “torture authorization act” or more accurately the “US Constitutional annulment act”) that makes everyone everywhere an “enemy combatant” subject to arrest and detention out of sight anywhere in the world without regard for our (no longer) constitutionally guaranteed rights. The new law also applies to US citizens as the Jose Padilla case showed. We’ve effectively lost our habeas and due process rights even though technically we still have them.
Because of the Lobby’s power, Petras reports, the US has unconditionally supported Israel’s wars of aggression since 1967. It’s influence also led to the US Gulf war in 1991 and the second Iraq war begun in
2003, now raging out of control and seen by some noted analysts as unwinnable and causing potential irreparable economic and political harm to the nation. Nonetheless, it persists with no plan agreed on to end it. The Lobby also guaranteed this country’s unconditional support for Israel’s illegal wars of aggression against Lebanon and Palestine with all the devastation they caused and the horrendous consequences from them unresolved. The Palestinian conflict still rages under the radar, and the status in Lebanon hangs by a hair trigger ready to erupt again any time Israel decides to resume hostilities. But inflaming the Middle East powder keg to a near boiling point is the strong possibility the US and/or Israel will attack Iran because Israel wants it and the Jewish Lobby put its powerful support behind it. More on this, Palestine and Lebanon below.
Today the situation in the Middle East is so dire, Petras reports a large majority of Europeans and a growing number of Americans believe Israel is the greatest of all threats to world peace and stability. Nonetheless, the Bush administration, in acquiescence to the Lobby, has “bludgeoned” its European partners to go along with its uncompromising support for the Jewish state despite all the obvious perils from it. In this country, open debate is stifled, public figures and academics daring to air one truthfully are pilloried, ridiculed, called anti-semitic and even threatened, and no serious dissent is ever tolerated in the corporate-run media or their funded and controlled so-called public radio or PBS parts of it.
No publication is more servile to, supportive of, or more influential than the nation’s so-called “paper of record” publishing “All the News That’s Fit to Print” – the New York Times. It’s important because the stories it features prominently resonate around the country and the world. This dominant newspaper pledges unconditional support and fealty to the state of Israel whatever it does. The rest of the major media go along unquestioningly putting out regular one-sided pro-Israel uber alles propaganda with no opposition voices allowed to represent other points of view. We call that a free press – but only for those who own one. The state of the corporate-controlled media in this country is now so pathetic that Reporters Sans Frontieres (Reporters without Borders – for press freedom) just ranked the US 53rd in the world in press freedom behind countries like Benin, Namibia, Jamaica, France and Bolivia.
James Petras is a courageous independent voice who bucks this disturbing trend and refuses to go along. He proves it in his powerful and carefully documented new book that gives no quarter countering the mendacity, deceit and danger of the Lobby, its acolytes and hangers-on, and the corrupted major media. In his introduction, he calls for a “counter-hegemonic movement” to free us from our destructive “Israeli entanglements.” It’s needed to begin rebuilding our democracy and freedoms that are somewhere between life support and the crematorium. This book, he says, is his modest effort toward that goal. Because of the important information in it, it’s considerably more than that. It needs widespread exposure so people will know about it. Hopefully this review will help arouse some of them to want to find out in more detail.
Part I – Zionist Power in America
Petras begins with a discussion of who fabricated the lies about Iraq’s threat to our security and why. He mentions two competing channels of policy makers and advisors – the long-in-place formal structure of career military and civilian professionals in the Pentagon and State Department and a parallel one Bush administration neocons set up for this one purpose in the Pentagon, staffed by political appointees, and called the Office of Special Plans (OSP). It was the OSP’s job to cook the books, come up with the idea of weapons of mass destruction while ignoring the clear evidence to the contrary and contrive a fraudulent case for war against Iraq. The people in it were those in Donald Rumsfeld’s and Paul Wolfowitz’s chain of command and were closely connected to a number of influential neoconservative and pro-Israel organizations. They planned a war agenda based on lies because Israel wanted it for its security and hegemony in the region – beginning with the overthrow of Saddam Hussein followed by regime change in Syria, Lebanon, Iran and even Saudi Arabia.
Petras points out, contrary to popular belief, this war happened largely due to the efforts of the Jewish Lobby representing the interests of Israel. Big Oil opposed the idea because it feared attacking Iraq would jeopardize its business prospects with other oil-producing states in the region. Still, Israel and the Jewish Lobby got their war, and aside from the gain from high oil prices, Big Oil may end up a longer-term loser from it. US oil interests always prefer stability and normal relationships with countries where they operate or wish to and were quite comfortable dealing with Saddam Hussein without wanting to risk a war that might upset an otherwise profitable arrangement. Their fears proved justified as the war they feared created such unresolved turbulence in Iraq, it’s become too dangerous and unprofitable to undertake new ventures there except perhaps in parts of the Kurdish-controlled north. Big Oil also chafes at not being allowed to deal with the Iranians for contracts now let to its European and other competitors because US sanctions prevent them from doing business there. It’s hard to imagine those interests would ever go along with US – Israeli belligerence in the Middle East, but they dare not oppose it publicly.
Petras observes there’s never a public discussion allowed about that relationship in the mainstream nor will there ever be any, especially any hint the US attacked Iraq in service to Israel. There should be plenty of it though because the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have enraged hundreds of millions of Muslims and all people of conscience worldwide. They’ve caused the US to be seen as a pariah state and George Bush as a dangerous and morally depraved president of a failed administration. He and those closest to him like Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are reviled around the world and increasingly here at home as witnessed by the many thousands who took to the streets on October 5 in over 200 US cities on The World Can’t Wait Day – Drive Out the Bush Regime. The cost of Bush’s wars far exceed any possible future benefits from them, our security has been jeopardized, the nation’s status has been compromised, and some analysts believe the total dollar cost of the Iraq adventure may eventually top $2 trillion – an amount extremely harmful to the nation’s economy that’s now worrying key business leaders and responsible people in government.
The only clear beneficiary of the Bush war agenda is Israel. It removed its main adversary in the region and cut off the political and economic support it gave the Palestinians. Petras points out that Iraq along with Iran and Syria comprised the core resistance to Israel’s expansionist plans to crush the Palestinians
(one down, two to go), ethnically cleanse them from their homeland and seize their land as one part of a long-term goal for a greater Israel and unchallengeable dominance in the region. Israel is the only country in the world with undeclared borders. It’s kept that status to give itself maximum latitude to annex all the territory it can toward the goal of a greater “Eretz Israel” Zionists want that includes the ancient lands of “Judea” and “Summaria,” the West Bank biblical parts of Israel Palestinians claim as their homeland.
With US help, Israel removed one threat to its plan for regional supremacy, but it still faces determined resistance from the Palestinians in spite of having crushed its democratically elected Hamas government. It also faces a resilient Hezbollah in Lebanon that humiliated the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in the summer war there as well as opposition from Iran and Syria. In addition, there’s internal opposition within Israel over its war and colonization agenda because of its enormous cost plus the added insecurity it causes. It’s resulted in a level of out-migration now exceeding new arrivals as well as an erosion of the nation’s social programs because the state needs the resources for its aggression and annexation agenda. It’s much like what’s happening under the Bush administration where the people pay the price for imperial wars abroad and the moral decay and authoritarianism at home.
Obstacles and setbacks aside, Israel has pursued its goal to “democratize” the region through a belligerent policy of neutralizing its enemies in it by force. The plan they crafted is for a series of wars with its US ally taking the lead and the eventual goal of joint US – Israeli control over the entire region. Making it work depends on getting US administrations to go along, which so far hasn’t been a problem and has never been easier with the Bush administration in power and the high-level pro-Zionist officials in it with long-standing ties to Israel. They have the most important policy-making positions in government or are closely associated with the ones who do. These officials have a history of dedication to Israel’s interests even when they conflict with those here at home. They’re in the administration, the Congress as well as in the most influential Jewish organizations and lobbying groups like the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, the Anti-Defamation League and what some observers believe is the single most powerful lobby in Washington – AIPAC.
Committed support for Israel also comes from the “Jewish Diaspora” that comprises thousands of dedicated activists here – doctors, dentists, philanthropists, key individuals on Wall Street, the major banks and the Federal Reserve and other key segments of business, the major media, the clergy and academics and journalists given special prominence because of their willingness to corrupt their integrity in return for the handsome benefits they get for their unconditional public support and contrived rationalizations for the US -Israeli agenda. This kind of influence and support has made Israel by far the largest recipient in the world of US financial aid that amounts upfront to about $3 billion a year with more forthcoming any time as needed in added funding, weapons transfers and large low or no-interest loans that may never have to be repaid.
Israel also gets the unheard of advantage of receiving the latest and most advanced US arms and technology, unrestricted US market access for its products and services, free entry of its immigrants, unconditional support for its aggressive wars and colonization of the Palestinians and South Lebanese, and guaranteed US vetoes in the Security Council against all UN resolutions unfavorable to its interests. It’s also able to get prominent Washington officials and the dominant corporate-run and funded media to label all criticism of Israel anti-semitic and freely uses this ruse whenever it serves its purpose. Israel is allowed to get away with its intelligence operations here as well including its covert penetration of military bases, the FBI, IRS, INS, EPA and many other government agencies. In addition, it’s believed its agents knew in advance about the 9/11 attack but withheld the information knowing it would serve its interests to let it happen. There’s also considerable evidence high US officials either knew about it themselves or were complicit in carrying it out because they also knew it would allow them the kind of reckless free reign at home and abroad they never could have gotten any other way. This is a story that won’t go away nor should it, and one day we may finally learn all the parts of it we can only speculate about now.
Because of Israel’s unparalleled ties to the centers of power and dominant media, Petras notes it’s able get back $50 in return for every dollar it spends. That’s how it’s able to finance its military and colonial settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) on annexed land. The Jewish networks here support these practices as justifiable compensation allowed victims of the “Holocaust” (the ones noted author John Pilger calls “worthy victims”) and circulate that ideology in the corporate media. They also reinforce anti-Muslim hysteria labelling all Arabs untrustworthy, radical Islamic fundamentalists or Islamo-fascists (“unworthy” victims for John Pilger), claiming the right to arrest, torture and mete out summary justice to them in military tribunals or just attack and kill them in imperial wars of “liberation.”
The result for Israel and its people has been disastrous because the Palestinians have refused for almost six decades to accede to this abuse and have waged two Intifadas to end it. With little more than a fierce determination, their bodies and crude weapons, they’ve fought back with suicide bombings and attacks on public facilities in Israel knowing what harsh retaliation they’ll face afterward. People in the US have also paid a heavy price in the erosion of democracy and freedom. It’s evidenced by the Bush administration’s harsh legislation beginning with the infamous USA Patriot Act passed in short order right after the 9/11 attack, followed by other repressive laws and practices allowed like illegal surveillance and secret renditions of anyone targeted to torture-prisons with court acquiescence or silence about most of them.
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Walau apa pun mereka kata tentang Tun, masih ramai yang menyokong.
Dalam hal anti-semitic ini, mereka ingat ini suatu yang hina sedangkan bagi kita ini suatu pengiktirafan yang ditunggu-tunggu dan ia adalah award untuk Tun.
Tahun depan harap mereka akan mencalonkan Tun sebagai tokoh anti semitic sepanjang zaman pula.
Dan kita berharap negara ini dimasa depan akan lebih berhati-hati dengan adik yahudi di Asia Tenggara.
Dear Tun,
Your comments have been an inspirations.Thank you sir for speaking the truth and if there’s any comfort by saying this,i would like to say,You will be remembered for a thousand years for doing,being and said what was right.
Us,fellow Malaysian will never have another Mahathir Mohamad.Please lead us for many many years to come sir.Do train another one to carry your righteous legacy.
Thank you sir….
Maybe we can also give a new term for Israel / Zionist. How about “anti-human”?
Selamat dan Salam untuk Tun sekeluarga.
Israel sudah menjadi angkuh dan berlagak sebagai Kuasa Besar. Yang anehnya keangkuhan itu tiada satu negara pun yang berani dan sanggup untuk menghalangnya, mahupun negara kuat Eropah dan negara Super Power seperti Russia, China atau Amerika sekalipun. Kerap kali apabila dunia mengutuk Israel kerana melakukan kekejaman terhadap orang Palestin; maka setiap kritikan dan teguran itu dilabel sebagai Anti-semitic pula.
Peristiwa Holacaus berlaku di Eropah oleh pihak JERMAN dan SEKUTU-SEKUTU yang bersekongkol dengannya. Mereka banyak membunuh dengan kejamnya orang Yahudi(kanak-kanak, wanita dan orang dewasa) tanpa belas kasihan dengan tujuan untuk menghapuskan mereka di bumi Eropah.
Sebagai bangsa yang telah dizalimi orang Eropah, bangsa Yahudi(sehingga beberapa generasi); mungkin tidak dapat melupakan dan berazam satu hari nanti ingin membalas dendam keatas orang Eropah yang bertindak kejam keatas mereka dan bukannya terhadap orang Palestin yang sebenarnya jiran dan bangsa serumpun dengan mereka. http://www.suite101.com/content/jewish-revenge-against-germans-after-the-holocaust-a321305 ).
Sebenarnya ini adalah agenda Barat yang telah ditanam dalam minda orang Yahudi itu sendiri bagi menutup kesalahan mereka. Menterbalikkan fakta supaya orang Palestin dijadikan sasaran, daripada yang sepatutnya, iaitu orang Barat(terutama yang bersekongkol dengan German) kerana mereka menganiaya orang Yahudi.
Barat munkin telah menghidu lebih awal tentang niat membalas dendam Yahudi itu dengan menubuhkan segera Negara Israel yang sengaja dirampas daripada orang Palestin dan sekali gus menimbulkan suasana kemarahan orang Palestin dan masyarakat Islam sedunia.
Kewujudan Negara Israel adalah merupakan pakatan dan agenda tersembunyi Barat yang disokong Amerika(tempat ramai orang Barat dan Yahudi berhijrah) memesongkan pemikiran Yahudi(bahawa Palestin adalah musuh sebenar mereka yang perlu ditangani).
Usaha juga dilakukan bagi memesongkan tanggapan masyarakat dunia(khusunya orang Yahudi seluruh dunia) supaya tidak menuding kesalahan lampau itu terhadap orang Eropah.
Penubuhan Israel itu sengaja dirancangkan agar berlaku keadaan tidak setabil tetapi terkawal dengan bantuan Barat sendiri. Melalui
Thats like a China muslim claiming to be semitic and holds a right to be caretaker of mecca.
How’s this for anti-gentile racist kabbalistic attitude by the so-called “chosen people of God”. Quoted on April 26, 1996 in Jewish Week. We call their bluff and they label us anti-semitic? They are ashkenazi european jews whose ancestors the khazars converted to Judaism.
Chabad and other extremist orthodox rabbis frequently author columns in the largest Jewish newspaper in the United States, Jewish Week. In this paper you will find supremacist attitudes that any decent human being would call horrific. Examine the following quote:
Assallammualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga Tun sudi mengizinkan ruang..
[[Joel_Steinberg]]
Thank you sir for being one of the voice of moderation.Would you care to comment about the fact that Jews were once Muslims??
Jaquar..
What you have said is very true indeed.But we,Muslim does not play the game with the rule something like lobbyist.Islam thrives on the realization of the believer themselves.If they don’t realizes the folly of not upholding Islam by their essence,this is what are going to befall them..
Not to worry about Palestine.A new Salahuddin will rise..Israel will enjoys 40 years more on the utmost the dreaded daily terror in the very own heart..
Islam means peace Mr Jaquar..If you does not feels them emanating from my muslim brethren maybe they produce different kind of
Radiation..
That kind of reeking different from us true muslim..
Tq Mr Joel_Steinberg
Terima kasih Tun.
saya anti yahudi
Dear Mahathir
As the saying goes, Might is right. The Jews are a mighty people. Otherwise, the state of Israel will not have come about.
This also applies to our lives as a people within Malaysia. When you were prime minister, you were always right. This is because you are most powerful person in Malaysia at that time. People who went against you or disagree with you were dealt with under the ISA or sack from their job. This even applied to the judiciary.
Salam Tun
Salam Tun,
Anti Semetic now days are being use to counter any criticism against Israel especially those related to Israel atrocities against Palestinians. In fact Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli minister, admits that the holocaust and the “antisemite” accusation are used to manipulate those who criticize Zionists
Please watch :-
“It’s a Trick, We Always Use It.” (calling people “anti-Semitic”)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA
BUT at least you did not go around the globe Apologize to the Zionist after you had been labeled as anti Semitic. One who apologize to the Zionist is one who may had special interest with these Zionist group. Or maybe one best friend is a well known pro Zionist, Pro Israel operative.
LETS See whos best friend are mentioned is in this video( at min 1:04):-
Wikileaks exposes Zionist Treachery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgI1aph7AsE
Oh yes…. Well said Tun…
Dearest Tun,
I am so proud of you. One does not need to carry weapon to be a hero. Please stay healthy. My prayers are to both of you and Tun Siti.
Salam Tun,
That is absolutely right Tun. They who hate or ignore Islam will refuse to believe this as they refuse or reluctant to accept the truth about faith. Even the Prophets were also not spared with some fall martyr during the process. Well, so be it.
The truth will come to us sooner or later and the Judgement day is definite. May we’re all blessed with the Mercy of Allah, and so do you Tun…
Salam tun.. All hail Tun! I agree that no-body is an anti-semitic, when they appreciate those who is against this zionist laknatullah’s action.. How can you be part of the anti-semitic, when you respect the jews who hated this zionist’s actions? Zionist, Orientalist, One-Eye star, whatever they are call, they will always be what they are.. They will always manipulate.. It is their fear of a possible turn-over, that lead them to re-act this way.. They have fear, Tun.. They are inferior due to your intellectual..
It seems nowadays, their cover-ups are blowned.. slowly..
These power-craze society who sucks on blood, who uses puppets to take control of money and power..
The truth will, in the end, prevail..
Unfortunately, only those who has the intention to learn, will finally learn..
Those who ignored these, will be lost by these zionists’ interest.. stuck in a synthetic world, made up of fantasies and dreams full of lies..
1) Thank you for a good, interesting and free reading material.
I have been following for a long time but this is the first
time I am posting a comment.
2) I notice that as at 3.40 am 27/12/2010 there is not comment.
I wonder whether those who post comment normally do it during
office hours only – not on weekend or public holidays.
3) Small time businessman running a small office cannot afford
the time.
4) I sincerely hope I do not offend anyone.
Salam
Dear Ayahanda Tun,
The first time ever, nobody dares to say anything… people are just to scares to say anything on your topics this time. Mind you they killed 4 US President…. attacked USS Liberty and many more. People fears are quite understandable.
Maybe they are already here in Malaysia, ready to grab anybody dares to speak against them. Or are these really shows that Simon Weisenthal Centre is just as powerful … Allah knows better.
Again please take care, we all still need you. w/sallam
Dear Tun,
A real Good Samaritan
One act of kindness that befell British writer Bernard Hare in 1982 changed him profoundly. Then a student living just north of London, he tells the story to inspire troubled young people to help deal with their disrupted lives.
The police called at my student hovel early evening, but I didn’t answer as I thought they’d come to evict me. I hadn’t paid my rent in months.
But then I got to thinking: my mum hadn’t been too good and what if it was something about her?
We had no phone in the hovel and mobiles hadn’t been invented yet, so I had to nip down the phone box.
I rang home to Leeds to find my mother was in hospital and not expected to survive the night. “Get home, son,” my dad said.
I got to the railway station to find I’d missed the last train. A train was going as far as Peterborough, but I would miss the connecting Leeds train by twenty minutes.
To this day, I won’t hear a bad word said about British Rail
Assalaamualaikum Tun.
Di harap sihat selalu di samping keluarga.
Tun you simply amazing, we are extremely proud of you.
Ramai pemimpin termasuk pemimpin pemimpin kita juga hanya mengeluarkan kata kata mengutuk israel zionist,bila nak kehadapan semua nya takut.
apa pun tergadai.
Tun you are simply a true leader,berani menegakkan keadilan walau pun pahit atau pun di kecam.
Tun we really miss your leadership.
Semoga Allah mencucuri rahmat kepada Tun,Amiin
Assalamualaikum TUN.
Long Live TUN DR MAHATHIR.
To Hell with the Jews who are the world most racist people.
Even early Christian during the Prophet Muhammad time have warn about the Jews who are not happy with the Choice of an Arab being the last and final Messenger and Prophet. The Jews only want someone from among the Jews to be chosen as the Final Prophet. So they say that Prophet Muhammad is not the final Messenger and they are still waiting till today till doomsday.
They think the choice is theirs, not God.
Hindraf only knows to blame others about Their problem, but not themselve.Think wisely and you can help yourself out of the situation you are in.There is no need to go to the street to protest.
Thanks TUN for all your words of wisdom.
Well said Tun. I personally do not believe that by criticising injustice merits you the title anti semitic.
Dear Tun
Hope you are well and had a good trip to India. I’m sure your visit to Kerala and the meeting with SRK in Mumbai must have been memorable.
Tun, maybe you can help me to understand why the Arab countries some with extreme riches are unable to help the Palestine cause. We have an Arab country that has won the bid for the world cup promising to build air-conditioned stadiums. This country i think has a local population of 200,000 which is about the same as my hometown of Ipoh.
Egypt which has the boarder with Gaza has closed the boarder. Even humanitarian aid is almost impossible to pass thru this boarder much less trade. Gaza people have made tunnel to smuggle goods from Egypt at great risk. Your comment on this, Tun?
The fact is the Sunnis of Saudi,UAE, Quatar are weary of the Shiite’s of Iran more then the Israel. The fact is the Sheiks of Abu Dhabi are happier buying Manchester City Football Club then helping the Palestine cause. The fact is Arab nations are have deep rooted hate among themselves that they consider the Palestine issue as secondary. The fact is Saudi, UAE and Qatar trust US more then Syria and definitely more then Iran.
Therefore my point Tun is do we need to get involved in this regional conflict which has been going on for centuries. This is nothing new in the middle east just as Tun dismissed a reader by saying tribes in Darfur have been fighting each other for centuries and there is no humanitarian crisis there.
Furthermore how are we able to help the Palestine other then sending cooking oil, band aid, sugar etc to Palestine. Give the fund to the Red Cross and they can get the help to Gaza.
Hope Tun can look at the problems at the citizens of Malaysia especially the poor who are struggling to make a living. We need Tun more and Tun can help the poor more then the impact Tun make in Palestine.
dear Tun, Let them say whatever they want to say, People can talk as they wish, u have handle so far well on this in your era as P.M and even Now.
I wish there will be a true story like the comingsoon movie in 2011 L.A which attacked by the so called aliens. I hope there will be something like that will happen in israel, so that they will start to realise that god is angry with them.The punishment must be from the Nature disasters.
No one else, no country can fight against them even Obama, he has limits. He cant againts israelis.He needs them to stay for another term.
I urge all muslims or even for those who disagree with israelis act, please imagine the above thing happen to them and when many people do this hope it will become reality, dream what you want to dream, dream as israel government collapse. The entire government broke and u.s.a defence is broked by this attack too.
How nice to see if that happens.
best of luck
Salam Tun,
You may find this ebook quite interesting:
‘The Synagogue of Satan’ by Andrew Carrington Hitchcock.
Dearest Dearest
And we ARE proud of you for being brave to speak the TRUTH no matter who you speak against.
We are proud to have a Malay Muslim leader who stand up to the powerful who have abused their positions to misinform and brainwash the world just to safeguard their selfish interests.
1400 Prophert Muhammad preaches One God
Face Juruselem in Their prayers
When they migrate to Medinah Jew has some political and economic power
Prophert Mohammad offer friendship and made a treaty of cooperation
Jews breach all the trust
Allah then Changed the direction of prayers to Mecca
This the signal the beggining of the end of cooperation
The climax is at one time the contemplate of assinating The Prophert
Then contemplating/planing of betrayal during the battle of trench… to attack behind line of Muslim Defence
Jews miss to be partner in spreading of one God and later Islamic Empire…
Inspite of that they gather in Spain during Caliphate period when there were driven from Eastern Roman Empire. They manage to cooperate in Muslim Civilization until the fall of Spain they were subject to Chritians Inqusation when Spain fell to Chritians King
Now they are in power in Palestine . They are repeating what happend 1400 year ago colloborating with Meccan Polytheist instead of Muslims in Medina —they are agaist what Isa preached Loves Thy Neighbour. When they have OPPORTUNITY THEY MISS IT. Time will be against them again.
Assalamualaikum Tun,
1. Congratulations sir! You are among the top 10 person in the world who lead and speak up about justice and truth that everyone simply not dare to speaks up.
2. Come what may, i’m on your side in this stance!
Nicely written.. as always..
QUOTE: “The Simon Weisenthal Centre (Jewish) has published a list of people who are classified as anti-Semitic in 2010. I am listed among the top 10. I suppose what I had said in 2010 are regarded by the Jewish Centre as slurs but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.”
While I agree that humans ought to be given the right to free speech, such right, regrettably, is not readily available in Malaysia until recently. Lim Kit Siang for one, and there are many others like him, who would have being glad to be merely labeled as anti-Malay or anti-Muslim (even though he is definitely not) than to be sent to Kamunting without the slightest chance of defending himself.
By the way, we claim Islam to be our official religion, even though “Islam has laid down the principle that no citizen can be imprisoned unless his guilt has been proven in an open court. To arrest a man only on the basis of suspicion and to throw him into a prison without proper court proceedings and without providing him a reasonable opportunity to produce his defense is not permissible in Islam”.
However, many things that are not permissible in Islam continue to be practised in Malaysia. In giving due respect to Parameswara 2’s comments in a previous post, I will not harp on the Ketuanan Melayu issue, but there are still corruption, scandals after scandals, abuse of power, telling blatant lies, distorting national history, religious intolerance, dishonesty in measuring NEP performance (using par value instead of market value to ascertain wealth), etc, etc. to contend with.
Let us be happy to be merely listed. It would be sad if anyone were to be detained for two years without trial, merely for exercising his right to free speech to speak up against what he considers as injustice.
http://www.ilaam.net/Brochures/Brochure-07.html
Dear Tun,
The US administration has no balls. They are being controlled by the Jews. They are cowboys with “cow brains”. Make no mistake about it. In actual fact, these American “cowboys” are stupid lot who are being bullied by the Jews for many years. All the previous American presidents including Obama are lame duck presidents. What a pity and what a shame!! They claim that their country is the most powerful country in the world and yet they never realise that all their policies particularly on foreign policy are being manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.In reality, the United States is being run by these Israel lobbyists who could influence the poor American cowboys who should be their president of America. These cowboys are being made like stupid fools by the Israeli government to the extent that by giving full support to the Israelis is causing the security of the US at stake!! The terrorists all over the world will continue to knock at their doors when there is opportunity to strike at any time of the day. The US will continue to face this threat until such time the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is resolved.
If you manage to grab a book entitled “Israel Lobby” then you will realise the whole truth of the Israeli agenda and how they more or less control the Congress by influencing policies to favour their interest!!!
Salam Tun,
Bangga juga saya bila dapat baca Tun masuk dalam list yg dinyatakan. Tak macam sorang lagi mantan TPM yg dipuji oleh nereka.
Cuma boleh Tun kupas permasaalahan Anti Semitic ni.
Pemahaman saya Semitic ni berkaitan dengan anutan seseorang dengan agama dari langit (lebih tepat ajaran Abraham).
Kalu gitu kita ni pun sememangnya Semitic juga. Kita yang Islam, beriman mengakui Abraham itu adalah Nabi Ibrahim A.S.
Cam ner kita leh anti dengan pegangan agama kita lak.
Bodo juga Zionist ni…
Salam Tun,
The truth is, whoever has the relative means to inflict harms, they are right. They can do whatever they want and, build logics to back up the arguments. These Zionists are beyond reproach, the question that begs the answer is, what are going to do about it? Going to war with them is definitely not the answer. Probably, we need to grow smarter, manage the economy and business better. Choose the deserving right people, less politicking and most importantly, have a clear mind. We haven’t tap the fullest from those you have had helped created, those sent to boarding schools and then overseas.
That’s my thoughts, Tun.
Salam Tun,
16. I am not anti-Semitic bcause I am not against the Arabs and other Semitic people, or for that matter those Jews who reject Zionism.
1. The term anti-Semitic is quite obvioucsly an invention to potray that anything against Jews is wrong. Jews feel they inherit this from the sins of the Nazis.
2. So if a single Jews person bombs, steals, rapes, torture, or do any single thing deemed wrong by any sane human being, and one speaks against that single jew, the one who speaks is labelled anti-jew or anti-Semitic. Thus the honor given to you, Tun.
3. Granted the Nazis were inhuman, but if out of that comes another inhuman philosophy, i.e. anti-Semitism, then there is actually no human progress.
4. If what is meant by anti-Semitic is anti-ethnic cleansing, the world may agree. But i suspect it applies only to the special case of the specially chosen people, the jews. Meaning it is okay if harm is done on other ehnicity. If it’s not jews, then it is not anti-Semitic. It is just not so good, that’s all.
5. Why the listing of the anti-Semitic. Simply to have a jew version of the Schindler’s list ?
6. I would have thought the Jews having had it so bad would actually learn of the reason the world has special hatred for the Jews. Not that i agree to this hatred, and not that it is good. But the jews has to understand that their belief system is against humanity. The Japanese, the Nazis and all world conquerers had similar belief systems. They all believed they were the chosen people. So Jews, ask yourselves, why is it the world so dearly love to hate you ? Is it money ? Is it ego ? Is it ciscumcision ? Or maybe it is because you consider yourselves separate from other human society, i.e of a “higher order” ?
7. Many Jews are not at all like that. They don’t scramble for anti-Semitic crys as soon as they are in difficulty. They live in peace and wish the world peace. They take pride in their religion, and regard learning as the highest noble achievement in their religious practice. And they themselves are high achievers. So who then are these Jews who cry wolf ?
8. Like America being hijacked to further Semitic causes, i suspect the Jews themselves have been hijacked by their fellow bethrens for some politically and personally advantageous agenda. For we know there are good Jews who stand for what is good and right for the human spirit. So maybe there should be a list of these Jewish hijackers. Maybe call it Semitic-Hijackers list.
9. Peace can only come about if there is earnest dialogue. The good Jews need to emerge and show goodwill as it should be. Or maybe it is too risky for them to surface ? Only the good Jews themselves know better.
10. Coming to 2011, it may be a good idea if we all leave the idea of racial superiority and specially chosen people behind, and live as John Lennon and milliions others had imagined.
A Happy New Year to Tun & Family.
And not forgetting fellow commentors.
Thank You Tun.
There is a lot of truth in your saying Dr M. However, it does not take a genius to see that you are indeed bias towards Israel and the West. I am American of Malaysian parentage and do see the injustice of the Zion regime towards Palestine. Not all Americans support the Zionist regime and not all Israelis are Zionists too. By you speaking out against Jews is truely anti Semitic.
There are a lot of peace loving Jews that do want peace in the holy land and live peacefully besides the Palestinians. However, the hawks on both sides are winning the battle against peace. With you speaking out against Jews gives them more cannon fodder to play up the hatred. Zionist will say that the Palestinians have support for unfriendly foreign govt. leaders like you and must battle them. Hamas will play it up that they can continue war against Israel as they have the support of you.
This is all the wrong way to approach things. Why do I not see the Arab countries get together as a united front to pressure the West through economical sanctions (oil)or negotiations to get what the Palestinians want. Is it that these Arab brother countries are so corrupted or doesn’t care about the Palestinians enough? You tell me. The average Moslem will complain about the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel but do nothing and go back to daily living.
The battle is not with Israel or the West. It is within your own Islamic household countries who do not know how to play tough negotiating politics like Israel(US lobbying) except though the sword and whining all the time. Israel spend billions on lobbying the US and Western countries to their favor. Rich islamic countries spend billions on their own indulgence.
So please stop calling the pot from calling the kettle black. Start pushing the Arab countries that you have more influence on to unite and do something for Palestine instead of whining about Isreal all the time. Get your onw household in order first. The Zioinist have, have you?
Commendable. We reject TERRORISM and INJUSTICE..that is all to it!
Just as how Web 3.0 is conquering us, they already started their conquest with Games of ZY*** to make us divert the attention from the facts and be more violent.
Don’t they learn Guv?? No?
Subhanallah!
Dr R Azrin
http://www.azrin.info
(Back again!)
Dear Tun,
This is a very clearly explained stand point. It is very rational.
2. I have to tell you that for about a decade during my younger days, people were talking bad about you. It is sad to reveal that some of those people were supposedly religious.
3. The way we were taught last time was to listen to the teachers. Whatever teachers say were supposed to be correct. There was minimal room to express disagreement or one’s point of view.
4. In the mosques or religious schools, we were trained to obey as words of God and any matter pertaining to religion could not be disputed. We eventually failed to differentiate personal opinions from religious teachings. Many of us absorbed personal opinions together with religious teachings.
5. Thinking about it, PAS has effectively brainwashed many people. I just hope that the younger generation today has the ability to think and analyze.
Salam
1. Saya bersetuju dgn pendpt Tun. Org2 kafir akan sentiasa melihat kita naive dan membuat keputusan berdasarkan pemikiran mereka yg laknatullah.
2. Kita tidak perlu risau akan tindakan mereka krn ia adalah sebahagian dari proses komunikasi mereka dgn musuh2 mereka. Mereka sentiasa mencari modal utk membidas dan menindas bdasarkan dari bisikan hati mereka (org kafir).
3. Dunia telah menyaksikan pembohongan dgn jelas dan nyata. Tetapi, gagal utk bertindak sebaliknya. Pelbagai harapan dan janji palsu dibuat oleh penindas dan yg ditindas tetapi, masalah sebenar masih belum selesai.
4. Ianya berlaku di Malaysia sbgmana kita melihat nasib org melayu yg ketinggalan dr segi sosioekonomi dan kesihatan. Bangsa pendatang lebih maju, kaya & sihat dari masyarakat pribumi. Tetapi org melayu tidak bertindak cemburu dan dengki mereka terus berusaha utk menyaingi pertumbuhan bangsa2 pendatang.
5. Bangsa2 pendatang lebih diminati dan disukai oleh pelabur luar kerana, mereka dilihat lebih sihat dan berdaya saing. Mereka diberi kepercayaan utk menjana ekonomi.
Congratulation Tun! Everyone wish to be on the list. You always steps ahead 🙂
Congrats for making top 10 the list, it shows us that your words are loud and clear to them
*** The Fate of an Honest Intellectual
by: Noam Chomsky
Excerpted from Understanding Power, The New Press, 2002, pp. 244-248
http://www.chomsky.info/
I’ll tell you another, last case
Dear YAB Tun Dr. Mahathir
All muslims love Jews and Love Christians, as Our Religion instructs us to.
There are those within any religious groups in the world that pursue their own self interest and financial gains under the cover of Religion or ideology.
I am a Muslim and I dont hate any Jew or Christian or any other religion for that matter.
I dont believe in war or violence.
I think intellectual debates of any topic are healthy.
In reference to the subject matter i find Professor Norman G. Finkelstein and Professor Noam Chomsky, both Brilliant Jewish Scholars, have addressed these type of sensitive subjects with class, knowledge and intellectual authority. Please allow me to share the works of Professor Finkelstein with the readers, by posting an article from Haaretz dated March 30, 2001.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=11
Ha’aretz on The Holocaust Industry
Ha’aretz Magazine. Friday, March 30, 2001
The Finkelstein polemic
‘The Holocaust Industry,’ Norman Finkelstein’s controversial book, has quickly achieved best-seller status in Germany. Finkelstein, who denounces the Jewish establishment for extorting billions of dollars from Swiss banks, tells Ha’aretz: ‘You can’t accuse me of inciting anti-Semitism. I’m only the messenger.’
By Yair Sheleg
When “The Holocaust Industry,” by Prof. Norman Finkelstein was released in the United States and Great Britain some nine months ago, representatives of the Jewish establishment evidently decided that killing it with kindness was their best strategy. The book viciously attacks them for exploiting the Holocaust for their own needs, and in order to establish a line of defense for Israel. But they decided against responding too strongly to the accusations, hoping that the storm would soon abate. The fact that the author was Jewish and a child son of Holocaust survivors undoubtedly contributed to their decision.Nevertheless, this low-profile approach is changing in the face of the book’s immense success in Germany since its release there two months ago. In a telephone interview with Ha’aretz from his home in New York, Finkelstein claims that 130,000 copies were sold in the first four weeks after the book’s German-language translation arrived in the bookshops. For comparison’s sake, after nine months on sale in the U.S. and Britain, “The Holocaust Industry” notched sales of 18,000 and 12,000, respectively.
Just what is Finkelstein claiming in the book? First, as he already makes clear in the first few paragraphs of the introduction, he differentiates between the “Nazi holocaust” – in which millions of Jews and other victims were exterminated – and “The Holocaust” – the well-known public “persona” of the event, the image that he alleges is nothing but the product of propaganda of the Jewish establishment.
Second, Finkelstein claims that the interest in the Holocaust by the Jewish-American establishment dates only to the aftermath of the Six-Day War, and in any case is not rooted in authentic Jewish motives, but from the Jewish establishment’s collaboration with the interests of the American administration. As soon as the American administration started to consider Israel a strategic asset, the Jewish establishment in the U.S. seized on the Holocaust as a line of defense for the Israeli occupation.
Not coincidentally, in the introduction to the book Finkelstein thanks Prof. Noam Chomsky, one of the world’s most famous linguistics experts and an anti-Zionist Jewish intellectual, who has similar beliefs.
Third, Finkelstein analyzes and sharply criticizes the exploitation of the Holocaust for financial profit. He singles out the author Elie Wiesel as having reaped personal benefit. But Finkelstein also assails the general Jewish campaign to restore property and/or to arrange compensation for assets stolen during the Nazi period. He views the campaign and its methods as “those of extortionist gangsters.”
Who was murdered?
“The Jewish establishment,” he tells the interviewer, “was in a rush to shake down the Swiss on the banks issue, and used pressure exerted by agencies of the American government – [saying] that if they didn’t pay up, they would be boycotted in the U.S. There is an extortion racket at work here, and for this alone the extortionists should have been thrown out of public life.
“They also put the pressure on to reach an agreement with Switzerland before the Volcker Committee [the international committee that investigated the dormant bank accounts] released its report, because the agreement gave them $1.25 billion, even though it later turned out – according to the Volcker Committee – that the maximum value of the dormant accounts came to a few hundred million dollars.”
Finkelstein even alleges that the Jewish establishment is exaggerating the numbers of survivors. “How is it possible that in 1997, when they started talking with the Swiss humanitarian fund for destitute survivors, they put the number of survivors around the world at a quarter-million, and now they’re talking about close to a million?”
Someone who frequently quotes his mother, both in the book and the interview, Finkelstein quotes her now, and asks, “If there are so many survivors, who exactly was murdered in the Holocaust?”
Not surprisingly, Finkelstein’s book has recorded notable commercial success in Germany. A public-opinion poll held by the newsweekly Der Spiegel found that 50 percent of the public “partially agrees” with the allegations made in the book, 15 percent “completely agree” with them, and only 24 percent “are opposed” to the claims.
Criticism about people exploiting the Holocaust for purposes of personal publicity or monetary gain has been voiced for years, as has the somewhat coarse statement (which Finkelstein attributes to Abba Eban) that “there’s no business like Shoah business.”
Nor is there anything new about how the Holocaust has taken on a disproportionate role in shaping the identity and agenda of the American Jewish establishment. Finkelstein’s book was published only a year after Jewish-American historian Peter Novick’s “The Holocaust in American Life,” in which Novick aired some similar accusations, but his book was received rather warmly, even by representatives of the Jewish establishment. In the introduction to his book, Norman Finkelstein mentions Novick as having influenced his own writings.
But Novick is not at all pleased to be on the receiving end of Finkelstein’s bear hug. He wrote an article about Finkelstein’s book for the German newspaper Die Welt, which was entitled “Hate Campaign of a Zealot.” In an interview with a Polish newspaper, Novick stated that Finkelstein is distorting the facts, was anti-Zionist and “displays a paranoid belief in some sort of global conspiracy of the Jewish elites in the U.S.”
Perhaps as a result of Novick’s harsh criticism, in the current interview Finkelstein opted not to cite Novick’s contribution to his own work. Instead, Finkelstein mentioned Holocaust researcher Raul Hilberg as someone who has influenced him. Although the subject of some controversy himself, Hilberg has earned a great deal more respect in Holocaust history circles than Finkelstein.
Overriding hatred
Finkelstein’s detractors seem to be disturbed mostly and foremost by his style. “The most conspicuous fact in the book is the hatred,” says David Witztum, the Channel One journalist who was the first member of the press in Israel to interview Finkelstein. “Hatred for every establishment Jewish organization, be it the State of Israel or the Jewish establishment in the United States.”
“This is not research; it isn’t even political literature,” says Prof. Israel Guttman, formerly the chief historian of Yad Vashem. “This is a lampoon, which takes a serious subject and distorts it for improper purposes. I don’t even think it should be reviewed or critiqued as a legitimate book. We should consider it nothing more than an anti-Semitic lampoon.” In a similar vein, the German historian Prof. Hans Momsen called it “a most trivial book, which appeals to easily aroused anti-Semitic prejudices.”
As for Finkelstein’s allegations themselves, opinions are divided. There are some critics who reject them out of hand. Ilan Steinberg, the executive director of the World Jewish Congress (WJC) who spearheaded the campaign to have Jewish assets restored, scorns Finkelstein’s claim that the organization pocketed funds that had been intended for Holocaust survivors: “Not only is the claim itself an out-and-out lie, the source on which it is ostensibly based is distorted. Finkelstein quotes an interview with Edgar Bronfman, the president of the Congress, that appeared in the German newspaper Die Zeit. According to Finkelstein’s quote, Bronfman said that from all its various campaigns, the WJC had received a sum of $7 billion.
“First of all, it is unusual for an academic researcher to use a quote from a newspaper interview as a reliable source. But aside from that, he quotes him incorrectly: Bronfman has said that the public campaign on this issue yielded compensation totaling $7 billion – and that not a single penny of it was going to the WJC. If he can’t even quote accurately, how is anyone supposed to take his book seriously?”
Raul Teitelbaum, a member of the board of directors of the umbrella organization of Holocaust survivors in Israel, also vehemently rejects Finkelstein’s claims that the WJC pocketed money that was supposed to go to the Holocaust survivors, leaving them only a few crumbs.
To bolster his claim, Finkelstein once again brings up his mother’s name, noting that for all her years of suffering in the Holocaust, she received only $3,500.
Teitelbaum: “The Swiss banks and the other organizations who negotiated over the indemnity payments dragged out the discussions for a long time, which is why the money has not yet begun to be paid out, even though some of the agreements were signed a long time ago. So how can he talk about thievery by the Jews?
“As for the money that Finkelstein’s mother received, he should blame the Germans for that. In the original reparations agreement, they insisted on paying only ‘members of the German culture,’ and gave a German test to anyone who asked for compensation. It was only about 10 years ago, in the wake of the struggle waged by our organization in conjunction with the Jewish establishment, that they agreed to grant a small amount of compensation to the other survivors, as well. So he should be thanking the Jewish organizations for the money his mother got, and not abusing them.”
Teitelbaum also rejects Finkelstein’s claim that the Jewish establishment extorted the Swiss. He feels the opposite is the case – that the Swiss paid much less than they should be paying: “The agreement with the Swiss banks essentially compensates the Jews only for the dormant accounts held in commercial banks in Switzerland. Nevertheless, the Swiss stipulated that their signature on the agreement absolved them of any additional payments in the future – including any compensation for the sale of gold by the Nazis to the Swiss government and the central bank, and the artworks that were stolen and found their way to Switzerland.”
Read Kant in Yiddish
Elie Wiesel, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate, took the time to write an article in Yedioth Ahronoth in response to Finkelstein’s claim that he has gotten rich from his lectures about the Holocaust. Wiesel claimed that most of his lectures are not even about the Holocaust, but rather culture and literature, and that when he does lecture on the Holocaust he either waives his speaker’s fee or transfers it directly to a charitable institution.
The row between Finkelstein and Wiesel has deteriorated to personal mudslinging, with Finkelstein seeking to prove Wiesel’s “cheating” with his written claim that he had read Kant in Yiddish in his youth. Finkelstein says Wiesel is lying, since Kant was never translated into Yiddish. Wiesel has responded by citing the exact name of the book and the publishing house, so as to prove that it is Finkelstein who is the liar.
But Finkelstein is not ready to give in yet, and told Ha’aretz that he had looked into the matter and found that Kant’s book “The Critique of Practical Reason” was indeed translated into Yiddish, but that his book “The Critique of Pure Reason,” was not.
Splitting hairs notwithstanding, some scholars are saying that even if Finkelstein’s style is indeed unendurable, there is a kernel of truth behind some of his claims. Prof. Michael Brenner, who teaches Jewish history and culture at Munich University, is one.
“There is a nucleus of justified claims in the book, including the stuff about the compensation issue, the lack of transparency of the Jewish organizations that are handling the matter, and the Holocaust obsession of the American Jewish establishment. Nevertheless, in order to gain a proper understanding of these claims, Novick’s book was definitely enough. Finkelstein’s style only makes it harder to accept these claims,” says Brenner.
David Witztum joins the chorus: “The book has a core, a nucleus of allegations of real substance, but I would put it this way: That which is interesting in the book is not original, and that which is original is worthless – it is a heap of distortions and facts taken out of context.”
Prof. Moshe Zimmerman of Hebrew University’s German history department, who has himself been the target of some criticism about style, argues that Finkelstein’s biggest problem is not the content of his claims, but the style in which they are written: “What is irritating about him is his caustic style and choice of words. The claims themselves, both those that attack the centrality of the Holocaust in Jewish-American identity and the compensation affair, contain at least a kernel of truth.”
The lone wolf
Brooklyn-born Finkelstein, 48, is the third and last child of parents who survived the Holocaust. Both spent the initial war years in the Warsaw ghetto. His father, Zacharias, was subsequently sent to Auschwitz, while his mother, Maryla, went to Majdanek. After the war they met in a displaced persons camp in Austria.
His parents always struggled to earn a living. Zacharias Finkelstein was a factory worker and his wife raised the children while they were young, and then worked as a bookkeeper in a bank. All their lives, they continued to yearn for the Jewish world of Warsaw from which they had been forcibly torn away. Evidently, both parents, but especially his mother, had communist leanings, although Norman Finkelstein states that they did not officially belong to any ideological movement.
David Witztum is convinced that the family is the root cause of Finkelstein’s hatred for the Jewish establishment and Israel. “As I see it, this book is not research. It is the cry of pain of a wounded person, and as such it is absolutely authentic.”
In the course of the interview, Finkelstein describes growing up in a bitter and distrustful home: “My parents didn’t trust anyone else in the world – only themselves.” So much so that even after they separated relatively late in life, his mother – although herself dying of cancer – cared for his father, who had Alzheimer’s.
“Despite the fact that they were already living separately, she wouldn’t agree to have him institutionalized, and took care of him at home until the last moment. She also made us children visit him every day. She said that after everything he had gone through in his life, she wasn’t going to let him die like a dog.” Both parents died in 1995.
As ironic and paradoxical as it may seem, Finkelstein is also sustained today by the Holocaust – or at least by the public debate over it. His academic career previously never had anything to do with the Holocaust: Finkelstein teaches political theory at Hunter College of the City University of New York, and specializes in the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Prof. Benny Morris of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev claims that Finkelstein has not made any unique contributions in his field of academic expertise. “He has not published any research to date that might be called a ground-breaking contribution. Essentially, the only book he published in the field is a collection of articles he wrote over the years, which do not make any unique contribution either, except for an interesting analysis of some research studies by other scholars,” says Morris.
“Incidentally, in one article he also critiques my book ‘Birth of the Refugee Problem,’ claiming that I did not draw all of the appropriate conclusions regarding the State of Israel from the facts that I myself reveal in my book. My impression is that he is more of a pro-Palestinian propagandist than a serious scholar.”
Finkelstein bridles at his depiction as an anti-Zionist: “It’s a superficial term. I am opposed to any state with an ethnic character, not only to Israel.”
Anti-Semitic label
Four years ago, Finkelstein made his first appearance on the Holocaust scene. This was after the big controversy that broke out in Germany surrounding publication of “Hitler’s Willing Executioners,” the book by Prof. Daniel Goldhagen – another Jewish scholar whose parents are Holocaust survivors. Goldhagen alleged that the entire German people, and not only “the Nazi regime,” were accomplices in the destruction of the Jews. Finkelstein wrote a caustic attack on Goldhagen (which eventually spawned an entire book), even accusing him of racism against the German people.
It was Finkelstein’s first taste of publicity in Germany.
Finkelstein’s book has made big waves elsewhere in Europe. A media debate has sprung up in connection to the book in Britain, where The Guardian published excerpts in installments. Finkelstein says that the recently released French edition was showcased in a two-page spread and editorial in Le Monde. So far, he says, the book has been or is being published in 13 languages, including Portuguese, Polish, Swedish, Danish, Romanian, Japanese, Dutch, Turkish and Arabic. At this stage, at least, no one is talking about a Hebrew translation: “The publisher doesn’t have an agent in Israel, and he told me the publishing houses there have shown no interest.”
Israel Guttman says it is not coincidental that the book has been relatively well received in European countries. “These are the countries that are being required in recent years to pay out large sums of money as compensation for assets stolen during the Holocaust, so Finkelstein’s allegations are falling on fertile ground.”
Finkelstein attributes the book’s flop in the U.S. to a lethal book review by Israeli scholar Omer Bartov that appeared in the New York Times Book Review. “The New York Times Book Review has two dominant social functions: identifying for other book supplements which books should be reviewed, and indicating to librarians around the country which books are worth purchasing. As soon as my book was labeled as being anti-Semitic, the editors of the other book supplements and the librarians knew that it wasn’t worth it for them to even get close to the book.”
In any event, the “Finkelstein Polemic” has made the author, originally a leftist radical, into a darling of the extreme right (which only by dint of the strict German law does not call itself by the more explicit term of “neo-Nazis”). The book was not very well received by critics in the mainstream German media. In parallel with its publication a “competing” book appeared, containing articles that counter Finkelstein’s claims.
How does it feel for him to be a favorite of the radical right in Germany?
“At first I was very puzzled by it,” says Finkelstein, “and then I realized I wasn’t responsible for it. It was the actions of the Jewish establishment. You can’t accuse me of encouraging anti-Semitism. I am only the messenger who reports on the actions of the Jewish establishment, actions that are encouraging anti-Semitism.”
Many people familiar with the subject believe that the tremendous popularity of the book in Germany derives from the fact that the “simple” German masses are fed up with apologizing for the Holocaust, and even more so for paying for it.
Moshe Zimmerman, however, thinks there is no link between this sentiment and Finkelstein’s popularity. “The reason his book is successful has to do with the immense sensitivity to the entire subject of the Holocaust in Germany. This helps to explain why more books about the Holocaust are sold in Germany than in any other country, Israel included. And it also explains why Goldhagen’s book, which raises completely different, if not diametrically opposed, allegations, was even more popular than Finkelstein’s.”
The book’s huge success nevertheless raises questions about the policies of the Jewish establishment. Is it not responsible for some big blunders that caused the book – distorted and problematic as it may be – to be received so enthusiastically?
“The Jewish establishment made a few big mistakes, not out of the malevolence that Finkelstein attributes to it, but some difficult mistakes, nonetheless,” says Raul Teitelbaum. “The first mistake was to consent in the original reparations agreement to the German demand to compensate only ‘members of the German culture.'”
Only in Israel were other survivors compensated, through the Finance Ministry, from reparations funds that were transferred by Germany to Israel, but this was not the case elsewhere in the world.
“This left the majority of Holocaust survivors living outside Israel incredibly frustrated,” he adds. “Second, the establishment erred when it took the Holocaust survivors out of the negotiating picture. And third, there is a problem with the huge gap between the billions of dollars that have been bandied about in recent years and the fact that the survivors haven’t yet received a thing, and when they do get something, each will receive only a small amount. This gap is the cause of frustration and generates rumors that the Jewish establishment is profiting at the expense of the survivors.”
But the most disturbing question has to do with the wide-scale campaign in recent years over the restoration of Jewish property in Europe. Hasn’t this been a Pyrrhic victory, as some people in the know had cautioned, because of which remembrance of the Holocaust will eventually be identified with large-scale monetary demands – justified though they may be – rather than with the ethical and moral implications?
Guttman, who from the outset opposed the compensation campaign, is convinced that the answer is yes: “I have no doubt that if not for the property campaign, no one would be willing to pay even half-a-cent for this book. It was a big mistake. At most, an effort should have been made to see if compensation could have been secured through quiet discussions. It shouldn’t have been made into a dramatic public struggle, as if it was the ultimate redress for the Holocaust. It only reinforced the feeling that the Holocaust is simply a means of extorting money and status.”
Conversely, Ilan Steinberg, as one of the leaders of that struggle, is equally convinced and resolute that in spite of it all, it was a battle that had to be waged: “The philosophy of our organization is unequivocal: After the Holocaust and the wars of Israel, we will no longer be silent. We will not continue to be the silent Jews only so that others shouldn’t say bad things about us. We will fight for our justice, and we will constantly remember that anti-Semitism should be blamed on anti-Semites, not on the legitimate struggles of Holocaust survivors and heirs of the victims.”
The father, the son and Prof. Guttman
Concealed within the larger ideological drama of the conflict between Finkelstein and “the Holocaust establishment,” is another, more personal drama. One of his father’s closest friends was Prof. Israel Guttman, the former chief historian at Yad Vashem (in his book, Finkelstein mistakenly calls him the director of Yad Vashem), who is now one of Finkelstein Jr.’s arch-critics. Guttman and Zacharias Finkelstein met in the Warsaw Ghetto, and formed a deep friendship while being held in the Auschwitz death camp.
Guttman relates that after the war they were in the same displaced persons camp in Austria, and were involved in the illegal effort to smuggle Holocaust survivors to Palestine. “We planned to immigrate together to Israel and settle on a kibbutz,” he recalls.
The plan went awry after Guttman was sent to Italy one day. By the time he returned to Austria, his close friend had fallen in love with a woman with a visa for the United States, and had gone with her to America.
Guttman had a hard time finding forgiveness: “As an ardent Zionist, I had no contact with him for many years. I only decided to renew contact when I made my first visit to America. After that, I stayed with him whenever I visited the United States.”
In the course of these visits, Guttman also met Norman Finkelstein (who lived with his mother following his parents’ break-up). He remembers the arguments between father and son about the father’s Zionist friend.
In the introduction to his book, Finkelstein mentions the relationship, without noting Guttman’s name. “With bitter disappointment, my father eventually admitted that this man had also been corrupted by the Holocaust industry, selling his beliefs for power and profit.”
Today, the strained personal relationship between these two antagonists prevents either from publicly speaking about the complex relationship between Israel Guttman and Zacharias Finkelstein.
“I’ve already said as much as I am going to say about it,” says Norman Finkelstein. “Practically to the end of his life, my father admired Guttman as a very idealistic person, a belief that was shattered at the end of his life. Out of respect to my father’s memory and his feelings for Guttman, I do not want to say any more about it.”
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Salams Tun..
Selamat Meyambut Hari Natal utk penganut Agama Kristian..
Historically.. Malaysia give back to the Malays.. Hahhaaahhaa..
Anti- Semitic la pulak..
Cerita mula dari zaman Firaun.. Semasa Nabi Musa AS.. Memimpin Kaum Yahudi..
Tak dinafikan.. Mereka ini golongan Cerdik Pandai.. Lawa dan mempunyai Kekayaan serta Kuasa..
Mereka ini telah menjadi the Chosen Only dari lain2 kaum.. Habis.. Bangga lah mereka..!
Oleh kerana perangai pelik mereka ini dan oleh kerana telah dipilih menjadi contoh..
(baik ka.. tak baik ka.. Allah lebih Mengetahui)
Maka Allah telah menjanjikan Dunia kepada mereka..
Tapi harus di ingat..! Dunia sahaja ya..
Puak ni memang Degil.. Bongkak.. kerana tu jadi Bodoh.. sbb dah berasa diri tu hebat sangat dan tiada lagi sehebat dengan mereka.. tapi depa tak sedar laa kan.? Orang mabuk mana boleh tegur.. Dia ajalah yang betul..
Menjatuhkan Hukum ikut suka.. dan mengikut kehendak Nafsu mereka..
Kalau nak diikutkan Israel ini tak ada negara.. Malah Eropah tak sudi pun terima mereka..
Walaupun Palestin ini merupakan puak yang memusuhi mereka dahulu.. Dengan ajaran agama yang ada pada mereka..
Palestin membenarkan puak Yahudi ni tumpang di tanah Palestin..
Sikit demi sikit.. Tahun demi tahun.. Sekarang puak Yahudi ini berkembang dan sekarang ingin menguasai Baitulmaqadis.. seterusnya Dunia laa..
Siap tubuh Negara lagi.. Di buat pula cerita.. ini tanah memang Hak depa..
Dari zaman Nabi Musa hingga sekarang dah bertahun lamanya..
Apabila Allah memilih Nabi terakhir dari golongan keturunan Nabi Ismail AS.. dan bukan dari golongan mereka..
Mereka amat marah dan tak dapat terima kenyataan.. Lalu diubahnya Agama ikut suka hati mereka sendiri.. Dibuatnya rencana nak hapus Agama..
Agama Kristian pun diubahnya supaya mengikut kehendak dan propa mereka..
Baiknya Agama Islam sejak Nabi Adam lagi telah dijanjikan supaya Terpelihara..
Maka.. Agama yang selama ini diturunkan kepada kita sejak dari Nabi Adam lagi.. dan Nabi- Nabi setelah nya hinggalah..
Kepada Nabi junjungan kita sekarang sukar dan mustahil di ubah.. Ini Kalam Allah..
Nabi mana yang tak bawa agama Islam.? Semua bawa.. tapi dok kena pelekeh dek Manusia..
Vanity Tun.. Vanity…
Tak kira Tok Haji, Ulama, Pak Menteri, Ketua Kampong.. semua kalah dengan Vanity sekiranya Asas tak Kukuh..
Dapat pangkat, kuasa dan elaun… dah lupa.. Tu baru sikit..
Perkara sama berlaku di negara kita cuma puaknya berbeza..
Cuma kita boleh memperkukuhkan Kepercayaan kita terhadap keadaan semasa..
Yang hanya Dia berkuasa sepenuhnya.. Dan kepada Dia juga kita akan dikembalikan..
Tak kira bangsa asalkan Faham Fakta dan Percaya kepada yang Benar..
Yahudi ni contoh yang paling Baik kepada Manusia yang suka melawan kehendak Tuhan..
Salams Tun.. Harap Tun sihat2 selalu..
InsyaAllah berjumpa kita hendaknya di suatu hari.. Sehingga tibanya hari itu..
Saya mendoakan Tun dan isteri Selamat dan Ceria selalu..
I am proud to be a Malaysian who supports Israel’s cause to exist.
Let the Palestinians burn. Israels has the right to extinguish these rats.
Salam,
I’m very proud of you.
Wonder where Shakespear’s ranking as a jew-hater is? He wrote literatures on Shylock and others where jews were depicted in very negative terms. Perhaps there is no posthumous ranking.
In one of their religous books a picture of Noah is shown naked in stupor slumped on a chair being covered with blanket by his (two) sons! If they can degrade our beloved Prophet Noah in such atrocious light they can potray worst things about people. For them to ‘kill’ someone is easy, just make stories of scandals and other modes of character assassination.
The fashinable ladies of Madras flocked to see an exquisite figurine
from China covered in a glass case. It was only displayed a few hours a day in the exhibition. The owner said other items are for sale but not the figurine because it is one and the only one. However, on the last day of the show it was sold at a very handsome price and the owner made a killing. It was revealed to Frank Swettenham who visited the show that the figurine was bought cheap made of special wax. Swettenham said something about the businessman, a jew.
Dearest YAB Tun,
1. Not bad Tun. No. 3 in the top ten list. This means they LISTEN to you and they read your blog. Actually, they are afraid of you.
2. They are labeling Tun with the term
Salam Tun,
Don’t even bother about the list. For them killing innocent people is justice while being anti-Semitic is cruel. If they can be anti-Islam or anti Palestine, I don
Salam,
Tun ke India dapat jum shah Rukh Khan..glamor gak mamat ni kan ramai pemimpin nak jumpa ngan dia.
Ini satu kempen amal jom kita sama beramal
Malam Amal Setulus Kaseh Bersama Maher Zain
http://bloginfo4uall.blogspot.com/2010/12/malam-amal-setulus-kaseh-bersama-maher.html
‘For Jews celebrating Chanukah as a wonderful moment of national liberation, we must not put out of our minds the national liberation still being struggled for by the Palestinian people, but instead use this holiday to commit to supporting them while protecting Israel as well.
Both communities [Jews and Christians] might use the holiday season to combat growing Islamophobia in the United States and challenge those who are showing a willingness to let the Right set the public agenda in the coming years.
Chag urim sameyach-happy holiday of lights.
Chag Chanukah sameyach-happy Chanukah.
Merry Christmas.
Happy Kwanzaa.
Mubarack Eid.’
Dear Ayahanda Tun,
The Star Online News……
I. Saturday December 25, 2010
Dr M
it is everyone’s right to express free speech, but to publish in public, is a form of hate. the mentality of western press doesn’t like freedom of speech specially when someone else uses it against them.
Well said Tun and take care.
Salam Tun,
Teruskanlah menyatakan kebenaran. Usaha Tun adalah satu jihad.
Ya Allah, panjangkanlah umur Tun, amin.
Salam bahagia Tun.
The conflict between Israel and Palestine is about what’s history dictated then, and being the rightful owner claiming it now.
Some historians have mentioned that the slab of land in conflict was given to the bala bala Allah whom have been grateful for their deeds in protecting the spread of Islam in this region then. It was also mentioned that the bravery and strategist savvy of the God’s armies must be recognised, and therefore the slab of land here is given to them as an appreciative gesture.
This piece of history is absolutely interesting to know and understand.
Fast forward to current time, it seems that the only middle-man who is mediating the conflict is the US. And they being the highest aid contributor to the Palestinians too. But does the aid actually goes to the folks on the streets? At the moment, is seems that there is no one else who could and would stand up for the people of Palestine except for a trickle few who tried to make a political inroad and popularity seeking for themselves.
In this case, one would simply asked the reasons why the rich Arab countries nearby are not lending a helping hand to the Palestinians.
Why are the rich Arabs neighbors not helping this small country when they have boasted their richness by having the most expensive Christmas tree in the world, the most units of stratospheric buildings, the amazing acres of man-made green tufts in the middle of a desert, and many more materialism spoils credited to their list?
What are the core reasons for them to remain silence about their infancy neighbor and fellow Muslim brothers and sisters there? Is it because the country does not have a capable Government, or perhaps it has not shown itself as being a reliable and genuinely capable-d self governing?
Sometimes one felt a bit strange to read about folks from afar joining hands to rallied for cash and aids, risking their lives in trouble waters, leaving family members behind to fend for themselves just to travel to this peninsula to deliver aids that only a few trucks’ loads worth of aids that probably does not even reached the common folks there. And whereas folks from bordering neighbors hardly bet an eye lid on the Palestinians but rather built high walled fencing to keep themselves away from this chaos neighbor.
Why does this vigilantes choose this hard way to proof the support to the Palestinians? Is it being a bit foolhardy by doing so logically? The only gain one got from this is some recognition in their own country. A shot at fame which lasted as long as the news goes by.
Perhaps this is the “inspiration” for doing this good deed? One can’t help but would incline towards this assumption since the result of such as action would hardly have made a difference to the lives of the Palestinians. It could in turn construed as either politically mileage gaining and for oneself’s popularity achievement. I am sorry if this offended anyone but that’ s what almost all layman out there thinks.
Why not this folks instead of doing such extreme activities try lobbying to the UN via their respective MPs and Government to make the Arab’s rich to form some sort of an organisation to look into the plight of the Palestinians? You could write petitions at the many Arabs embassies in Malaysia.
These Arabs rich could easily form a UN/Arab bannered team to co-govern the country to help nurture the nation back to economic health, and weed out the extremist who could have been the “dalang” of all this anti-co-existence with the Israel. Under the UN/Arab supervision, all negotiations of land, health of the people, and nation building could very well be fast-tracked instead of depending on snail phased US-mediated discussions. I am sure with the rich Arabs flexing its muscle a bit, it will definitely get some positive attentions from the world leaders.
Perhaps this could be the better solution for Palestine at the moment?
But meanwhile, do the logical way if one want to ease the pain of the Palestinians. Channeled the funds via official channels/embassy, rather than risking your lives and indirectly pitting the Government against the regime from time to time. Let’s wise up on this.
As the citizen of a country, one need to help the country growth positively, and not strain the Government so much so that its core priority of governing the nation is spread thin.
Salam bahagia.
Assalammuailaikum Tun
Hear, Hear Sir
We are behind you, in fact there are millions behind you and we will support you to the hilt.
You are one in a million who would can stand up to the bullying Jews.
May Allah pelihara usia Tun and his graceful spouse and give both of you a long life and good health
Thank you
Dear Tun,
Thank you for making Malaysia the greatest place to live in the world.
To all Malaysian, Happy New Year and may all be blessed with a joyous and prosperous 2011.
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Well, it’s exactly as what I had once written in one of my entries in my blog. All the mentioned lands, should, or I’d rather say MUST, be returned to the first people who actually ‘touched’ them.
REFER TO THIS LINK for reference:
http://aksaraketiga.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/budget/
But one thing, ayahanda Tun – doesn’t this statement of yours mean our belovered motherland of Malaysia should be returned to the long-abandoned then-and still now ORANG ASLI?
As deeply patriotic as I am, and am still; I cannot hold this thought from lingering in my mind since like.. ages. Haih…
So Ayahanda Tun – What say you?
Dearest Tun
//3. I am listed among the top 10. I suppose what I had said in 2010 are regarded by the Jewish Centre as slurs but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.//
1-Tun it hurts me when people criticize you irrationally but we have to respect free speech.Its their God given rights to have an opinion that is different from yours.Its truly annoying when people would just insult you with their lopsided truths that just can’t be reversed.Yes Tun the non Muslims in Malaysia are generally not on your side when Israel/USA is concerned .
2-They actually adore America for all the great contributions it has delivered the world.The awesome internet,all the other numerous great inventions that have made life so beautiful.There is this great culture promoted through Hollywood and elsewhere,pop music,rock,rap underground,etc,etc.which have invaded every corner of the world.So how USA or Israel can harm the world as Tun has reported just simply beats them.Whatever these people say about others on the other hand, will be taken ‘hook, line and sinker’ as gospel truth.
3- Most of the non Muslims esp the English missionary school educated Chinese are already Christians and even if they are not,they are already Christian in their forms by having Christian names so naturally out of their ‘esprit de corps’ they will side with the generally Christian Americans.Since the Americans are supporting Israel so too will they.If the Americans hate the Muslims, so too will they.
4- To make it more difficult for them to support you Tun is this great hatred they have in you for all the perceived injustices you have effectively inflicted upon them in this country.The discriminatory policies that you have introduced to help out your most beloved Malays with all your heart and your soul.I know Tun you do not buy this empathy or be in their shoes nonsense but in reality Tun you have actually done great injustice no matter how you may justify them that you have not.
5-For example if a very poor Malaysian Chinese or Indian really needed a scholarship he/she must be helped if you had been a kind and fair God fearing Muslim leader.But sad to say the policy of helping Malays during my time had been usually very rigid and unjust.There are many Malays who do not deserve these scholarships from among the Malay elites who have got them.But there are just many very qualified but needy non Malays who were just ignored as though these citizens destined by God to be born in Malaysia has no feelings whatsoever.
6- So once they hate you to the core Tun no matter what you do you will always be wrong.Whatever success you may claim for yourself will be refuted but whatever is bad even not done by you will be attributed to you nonetheless.And there is no need to clarify anything as they will be ‘deaf,dumb and blind’ to your counter arguments anyway.So in retrospect I am sorry to say that they may be right that you are actually not quite credible to be talking about other peoples injustices no matter how serious the degree may be.
7-Tun,I also do not see what good is all these continued bashing of the Jews and America is going to do us.Its not good for our economy.Its definitely also not good for our national security.I think its not even good for the inter racial relation for our own highly diverse people, majority of whom are already spiritually Americans that may comprise maybe more than 50% Malaysians.
8-What do you really hope to achieve out of all these Tun?That the USA will mend its ways after hearing your criticisms? Israel will no longer harm Palestine?That they will immediately give up their occupied territories back to the Palestinian people? No such thing will happen Tun.For all you know they may even decide to accelerate or aggravate their activities in Palestine /Middle East further just to spite you.
9-So why don’t we try something else Tun.Why don’t we try to win the hearts and souls of the Malaysian citizen first.I would recommend you attempt to champion a new Malaysian constitution based on the Medina Charter bringing in complete justice and equity to all Malaysians.Following the way of the Prophet is a ‘sunnah’ you cannot say no to.Fight corruption and deliver true God fearing values with all seriousness and devotion so that we Malaysians will all support you unconditionally when you have to talk about injustices elsewhere,the next time.
“Merry Christmas to all Christian bloggers and Happy Holidays to the rest.May Peace and the blessings of God be on all of you.”
Thanks Tun
Dearest Tun
//3. I am listed among the top 10. I suppose what I had said in 2010 are regarded by the Jewish Centre as slurs but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.//
1-Tun it hurts me when people criticize you irrationally but we have to respect free speech.Its their God given rights to have an opinion that is different from yours.Its truly annoying when people would just insult you with their lopsided truths that just can’t be reversed.Yes Tun the non Muslims in Malaysia are generally not on your side when Israel/USA is concerned .
2-They actually adore America for all the great contributions it has delivered the world.The awesome internet,all the other numerous great inventions that have made life so beautiful.There is this great culture promoted through Hollywood and elsewhere,pop music,rock,rap underground,etc,etc.which have invaded every corner of the world.So how USA or Israel can harm the world as Tun has reported just simply beats them.Whatever these people say about others on the other hand, will be taken ‘hook, line or sinker’ as gospel truth.
3- Most of the non Muslims esp the English missionary school educated Chinese are already Christians and even if they are not,they are already Christian in their forms by having Christian names so naturally out of their ‘esprit de corps’ they will side with the generally Christian Americans.Since the Americans are supporting Israel so too will they.If the Americans hate the Muslims, so too will they.
4- To make it more difficult for them to support you Tun is this great hatred they have in you for all the perceived injustices you have effectively inflicted upon them in this country.The discriminatory policies that you have introduced to help out your most beloved Malays with all your heart and your soul.I know Tun you do not buy this empathy or be in their shoes nonsense but in reality Tun you have actually done great injustice no matter how you may justify them that you have not.
5-For example if a very poor Malaysian Chinese or Indian really needed a scholarship he/she must be helped if you had been a kind and fair God fearing Muslim leader.But sad to say the policy of helping Malays during my time had been usually very rigid and unjust.There are many Malays who do not deserve these scholarships from among the Malay elites who have got them.But there are just many very qualified but needy non Malays who were just ignored as though these citizens destined by God to be born in Malaysia has no feelings whatsoever.
6- So once they hate you to the core Tun no matter what you do you will always be wrong.Whatever success you may claim for yourself will be refuted but whatever is bad even not done by you will be attributed to you nonetheless.And there is no need to clarify anything as they will be ‘deaf,dumb and blind’ to your counter arguments anyway.So in retrospect I am sorry to say that they may be right that you are actually not quite credible to be talking about other peoples injustices no matter how serious the degree may be.
7-Tun,I also do not see what good is all these continued bashing of the Jews and America is going to do us.Its not good for our economy.Its definitely also not good for our national security.I think its not even good for the inter racial relation for our own highly diverse people, majority of whom are already spiritually Americans that may comprise maybe more than 50% Malaysians.
8-What do you really hope to achieve out of all these Tun?That the USA will mend its ways after hearing your criticisms? Israel will no longer harm Palestine?That they will immediately give up their occupied territories back to the Palestinian people? No such thing will happen Tun.For all you know they may even decide to accelerate or aggravate their activities in Palestine /Middle East further just to spite you.
10-So why don’t we try something else Tun.Why don’t we try to win the hearts and souls of the Malaysian citizen first.I would recommend you attempt to champion a new Malaysian constitution based on the Medina Charter bringing in complete justice and equity to all Malaysians.Following the way of the Prophet is a ‘sunnah’ you cannot say no to.Fight corruption and deliver true God fearing values with all seriousness and devotion so that we Malaysians will all support you unconditionally when you have to talk about injustices elsewhere,the next time.
“Merry Christmas to all Christian bloggers and Happy Holidays to the rest.May Peace and the blessings of God be on all of you.”
Thanks Tun
Salam buat Tun Mahathir dan sekeluarga,
Setelah saya membaca kesemua penulisan/ucapan Tun yang boleh didapati di pasaran dan selama 8 tahun saya mengikuti apa jua ujaran-ujaran yang terdapat didalam penulisan Tun,khususnya didalam Buku Tun yang terkenal iaitu “DILEMMA MELAYU”
a)Dapatlah saya simpulkan bahawa penulisan Tun lebih mirip kepada “MEIN KAMPF” tulisan Adolf Hitler.
b)Penulisan kedua-dua buku itu dilakukan dengan jujur dan ikhlas atas harapan untuk menyelamatkan masyarakat umum.Tetapi”the market are always bias”
c)Corak pemerintahan Tun lebih kurang sama dengannya,pemerintahan yang mementingkan kebajikan rakyat seperti pembuatan kereta nasional dan pembinaan lebuhraya.Pemerintahan yang mendidik rakyat supaya percaya kepada diri sendiri dan berdiri dengan kaki sendiri tanpa mengharapkan orang lain.
d)Tulisan tidak mampu melakukan keadilan untuk menceritakan apa yang Adolf Hitler dan Tun lakukan.Sehingga kini tiada sesiapa pun yang dapat menirunya.Malah George Soros sendiri pun tak terfikir bahawa ada juga orang yang mampu mengatasinya..
d)Maafkan saya Tun kalau penulisan saya ini menyinggung perasaan Tun dengan menyamakan Tun dengan Adolf Hitler.”Ethnic cleansing” telah digantikan dengan “positive discrimination” ataupun bak kata orang AMERIKA “affirmative action” supaya terbela nasib orang Melayu.Tun yang menanggung beban untuk orang melayu.Tapi melayu mudah lupa.Benar kata Tun itu.
e)Saya percaya nama Tun tersenarai didalam The Simon Weisenthal Centre diantara carta 10 orang Anti-Yahudi disebabkan cara Tun mirip seperti Adolf Hitler.
f)Syarikat kereta VOLKSWAGEN pun ingin memiliki sebahagian PROTON.Itu telah menjelaskan kesemuanya.
g)Minta belas ihsan Tun kalau saya nak mendalami apa yang Tun ada.Nak bertanya Tun dahulu mendalami dengan siapa?
Terima kasih buat Tun dan sekeluarga. 🙂
Salam Sejahtera Tun,
1.Bila kita berlaku adil mereka kata kita gila.Bila berbuat sebalik nya ‘thumbs up’ kerana berada sama dalam kelompok mereka!
2.Bukan kah anti-semitic di wujudkan oleh yahudi sendiri untuk kamus mereka?Kemudian mereka momok-momokkan untuk di guna-pakai dan di terima di Amerika kerana pengaruh mereka bermula di sana. Akhir nya satu dunia tunduk dan dapat di kawal,melihat realiti di terbalikkan mengikut persepsi dan perspektif mereka dalam apa jua keadaan.Allah dah beri amaran dan peringatan,siapa mereka sebenar nya!Hanya Islam tulen yang akur perintah Allah.
3.Saya sokong sepenuh nya pandangan Tun kerana ‘The term anti-Semitic itself is totally wrong’.Langsung tiada keadilan untuk orang-orang Islam mahu pun pada yang cuba menentang mereka.
4.Untuk pengetahuan Tun,saya sentiasa dari masa kesemasa berdoa dan bermunajat kerana ‘tidak terbendung sakit nya hati akibat perbuatan-perbuatan kejam pemimpin-pemimpin mereka terhadap rakyat dan bumi Paletin’.Hanya Allah yang tahu dan saya telah ‘share’ luahan hati dalam blog Umi Hafilda,rasa yang sama tapi berlainan munajat doa.
a’kum
the jews are the tribe that has been in problem with everybody mostly to the muslim since ancient time.
they’re using the holocaust incident as an excuse to gain sympathy from the rest of the world, which is a very lame excuse and unacceptable.
countries all over the world have their own black history and hard times but at least they move on and not keeping to blame their hard times as a barrier to succeed anything.
while the jews still using the same very-stupid excuse not only to gain sympathy but to do cruel things, uncivilized act, supporting violance, and many more crimes against humanity continuously (especially to the muslim).
the Holy QURAN mentioned in detalil about the jews. to beware of them.
they’re the tribe that cannot be trusted in any way.
just imagine it like this, even the prophets send by ALLAH also they can condemn, deny and ignore, what and who are us to them (jews) to not to do the cruel things?
if this is the case for a person to be label as anti-semitic, i would love and proud to be labelled for it.
ALLAH bless all.
Dear Tun,
As usual you are good with word, that is a gift from Allah. What you think wrong might be other wise in others view.
Right and Wrong is a very subjective matter and total depend on the affected parties.
You will list down 1million points to indicate Jew are devil and in return Jews will do the same to Muslim.
Recent Wiki-leak pointed that Muslim’s are not united. Stop blaming Israel. Allah given one of the most valued weapon to Muslim (oil), it’s more powerful then any boom man-made. Muslim nations in Middle East fail to use that, they become puppet for USA. So, why keep blaming Israel/USA.
Send your views/comments to Muslim leader in Middle East.
Salam TUN dan semua
saya amat bersetuju dengan pandangan TUN, itulah mainan Yahudi yang telah masuk dipelusuk jiwa umat manusia di Malaysia ni.Sehingga tidak tahu menilai mana yang buruk dan mana yang jahat.
sekian
http://pantausblog.blogspot.com
Assalammualaikum Tun,
Great! youre top 3 and I so proud to heard it, keep going Tun until top one mybe in next year:) It our obligation to condemn Israel what they did to Palestinians also his blood brother USA:( Their relation between them that cannot been reveal by any political professional and absolutely it about religious. One day Islam will liberate Palestine and i always ask my Lord that im one of a them. That time they understand the meaning of righteousness terminology:D Well done Tun…salam!
Great post sir. Stalwarts like Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, Richard Falk, Gilad Atzmon (all jewish) are also called anti-semitic because they criticize the zionist state. Even Richard Goldstone of Gaza genocide report, who himself proudly says zionist is also branded anti-semite. They have no regard even to fellow jew like Emily Henochowicz who was shot for resisting in occupied Palestine.
I think this link http://www.judyandreas.com/archive20.html is a must for everyone to read about their acts. Have a great stay in India.
Salam Tun,
People can call you anything, but, we as your supporter will always be with you and we really appreciate everything that you did for this country. Thank you tun for everything. Just ignore those fools that are against you because we are always with you 🙂
Defining Tun Dr Mahathir as anti-Semitic is as easy as adjudicating the 100 metres final in the Olympics game. Because what is clear is that Simon Wiesenthal Centre (SWC) has already laid down the criteria as to what constitutes anti-Semitism. SWC decides who is anti-Semite, not the anti-Semites themselves. This has even gone so far as to make Holocaust denial, an offence against public peace and order in most European countries.
There is no point in using free-speech defense; whether one is ignorant or knows that the speech will cause offense. The aftermath of the speech, the consequential hullabaloo is indicative of its abhorrent nature. In other words, the speech has served its purpose. And recently SWC graded the anti-Semite public speakers into a top ten list. There is also free-speech in the grading or assessing of other peoples
Assalamualaikum YABhg. Tun,
First and foremost, Sir, I would like you to know that I am one of many many many Malaysians that is very-very proud to have such a brilliant, visionary and most charismatic leader such as yourself, Sir. (bak kata budak-budak sekarang, you are super awesome, Sir!).
Like you Sir, I agree that the world (according to the US, that would be them) right now is so “apologetic” to the Jews to the extend that what ever wrong doings are (no matter how blatant and violent the deeds are) the Jews are AND will never EVER be the ones to be held accountable or blamed for that matter.
It is just as you said Sir, what happened to the Jews over 60 years ago was so appalling that the world (according to the US, that would be them) feel symphatetic and apologetic for them and thereafter decided to be their champions.
But having said that, Sir, we as Muslims, have our own equally, if not, more so, important role in this sad conflict. We as Muslims have this weakness of not being able to unite with one (strong) voice to address this matter to the world. Billions of us around the world, some (or more precisely, a large number of us) are even among the wealthiest in the world are not able to come together and be the much needed champions of our brothers and sisters, father and mother, sons and daughters in Palestine.
To me, that is the most sadest
Dear Dr. Mahathir,
Not all Jews are crooks, I for one wish to help the oppressed and gift you some truth (if you don’t already know).
One of the biggest best sellers in Israel is a book by a well-known and highly respected Israeli historian at Tel Aviv University, Shlomo Sand.
The book being: “The Invention of the Jewish People”.
Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the ancient Land of Israel and that a “nation-race” of Jews with a common origin never existed
It states that the progenitors of the Palestinian Arabs were Jews
Sand writes that the story of the exile was a myth promoted by early (Eurpoean) Christians to recruit Jews to the new faith.
So, given all this, who is really the anti-semite?
Joel
Salam Tun,
Depa ni semuanya samseng sebab depa ni kaya dan mempunyai senjata yang lengkap. Depa boleh menghina sesiapa sahaja didunia ini. Tetapi yang lebih sedih sekali umat Islam yang terlebih dahulu bertemadun kini menjadi bahan kehinaan depa. Ini ialah sebab umat Islam dilalaikan oleh kekayaan yang diberi olih Tuhan dan benci sesama sendiri. Kalau diperingkat global Saudi dengan Iran.Kalau diMalaysia Anwar Ibrahim dengan Najib.
Depa ni semua dimain oleh saitan.Zionis dan USA bapak saitan.
Salam Tun,
Wow…I didn’t know that the Simon Wiesenthal Centre published who’s who for the so-called anti-semitic people. I would like to know the criteria to be listed as top 10 in this “prestigious” list. Maybe the centre should publish it so that all of us can be educated in learning what is anti-semitic. Perhaps the other party can publish the list of “anti-islamic” and rank it too.
Tun, no matter what, you are still the person I admire for having the guts to tell off Israel and the US. I don’t know what others may think but I think it’s rather cool to be in the top 10 of the Simon Wiesenthal list Tun…
SALAM KASIH DAN SAYANG
AYAHANDA RAKYAT TUN
Izinkan,
Ayahanda Tun adalah antara insan Allah yang mengamalkan Zat sifat Rasul NYA iaitu IKLAS SUCI JUJUR DAN BENAR dan juga atas Zat Sifat KASIH dan SAYANG kurniaan NYA, Ayahanda sentiasa berjihad menentang segala kezaliman dimuka dunia yang fana’ ini.
Mahathir, namamu mekar segar
Seperti mawar dititis embun pagi
Manis dikata
Hilangmu ku cari
Pergimu ku nanti
Pulangmu ku tunggu
Kau layak menerima anugerah
Rimbun pelindung untuk semua
AYAHANDA tutur penghargaan bangsa
BONDA untuk isteri tercinta
Kami yang lemah ini hanya mampu memohon kehadrat ALLAH SWT agar umat manusia mulai sedar dan insaf dan mengenal akan ZAT YANG TERSIRAT DALAM KALIMAH
‘BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM’
(Allah SWT Yang Maha Pengasih dan Penyayang)
ALFATIHAH, AMIN.
‘Yang tersurat itu Pengetahuan, Yang tersirat itu Ilmu’
Dear Tun,
I fully support you in the above argument. You have been trying to highlight the atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli regime since 1948 until today. The one sided conflict in favour of the jews has brought about daily inconvenience, discomfort, fear, trauma, injuries, death and humiliation on the Arab Palestinian population.
The state terrorism inflicted upon the arab palestinian population is cruel and inhumane. The daily roadblocks, humiliating body search and the construction of walls in the arab sector of Jurusalem is just simply bully and wholesale torture of a society.
Palestinian Islam Yassin and his brother Mohammed were killed by an Israeli air strike in Gaza City. This is state sponsored extra judicial murder with impunity.
With all these crimes against humanity, Israel has the cheeks to say who is antiSemitic and who is not. When Hitler embarked upon his mission to exterminate the whole Jewish population in the world, yes, we must condemn such cruel and inhuman act of the Germans. Now, the Jews are doing exactly the same sadistic and cruel crimes upon the arabs, and they have the cheeks to list down our hero Tun Dr Mahathir as 10 most anti Semitic hit list for an air strike at Perdana Foundation or Seri Kembangan. If that be the case, I would like to join Tun to be in the Jewish hit list so that we can mati Shahid in Subang Jaya.
Tun, you are a brave man. Brave man dies but once, but coward dies many times.
amin tan
I cannot shake this feeling of shock.
So, I must teach you all something that the zionist media including the malaysian ones do not want you to know:
Muslim democracies have never voted in right wing nutjobs to power the way the Americans, Canadians, French, Swiss, Dutch, Israelis, did simply to keep someone else out, The indians did it in the past and it is continuing in, i believe, the State of Gujarat.
In democratic countries where there are muslim majorities, there is freedom, Jews in Iran are higly successful businessmen, lawyers etc..
The targeting of minorities began with the American-Saudi-Israeli-Pakistani creatin of Islamism Global Jihad. That’s the truth.
This was never the case up until the 80s. In fact, Israel created Hamas because the Palestinians were too united under Yasser Arafat and the secular PLO with both Christians and Muslim participants.
Perhaps Anwar Ibrahim will help the Chinese Zionists and Hindu hate-mongers topple the Asian and Muslim friendly Malaysian government. Maybe then, some of you will learn.
You learn the easy way or the hard way. Under Dr. Mahathir, you guys had it easy.
Joel
Dear Dr. Mahathir,
You are perhaps the most successful leader in modern Asian history. You lead the transformation of a backward third world agro-society to one of the most successful economic giants in Asia.
Your performance during the Asian economic crisis still cannot be repeated by any of our western leader.
Beacuase of your phenomenal leadership, and no one else’s, Malaysia will become a developed nation soon.
You should’nt even address the weasels at this fascist hate-group. They consider everyone of the 20,000 raped and murdered in Shabri and Shatilla as anti-semites. So, nothing to worry about. they dno not represent the Jewish community, but what blind hate. I look forward to a time when they or their descendants are hauled before an international criminal court for genocide, mass torture, gassing, chemical attacks, terrorism etc.. Perhaps then, the Jews will have peace. Amen.
on another point, I am apalled by the sheer stupidity of the Malay Islamists who fail to see that the opposition they joined is after their necks as well!
Also, the detailed and tactical deconstruction of events in israel and occupied palestine such as the brutal murder of the American teenager Rachel Corrie (no, not muslim, but a good christian small town girl who loves Jesus) is hurtfully shocking. These narratives are devoid of any humanity and come straight from the Israeli PR wing!
The rank hatred of muslims among Chinese and increasingly among extremist hindu groups in Malaysia is truly an eye opener.
Unbelieveable!
Joel
My Salam to Tun and Tun Dr Hasmah.
How proud I am of you. You are among the very few who are audacious enough to speak up.
Thank you Tun.
Your Quote ” I am simply against injustice , against oppression and unmitigated and illegal violence”
How about extending the same measure to us common Malaysians.
In your 22 years of rule did you follow any of the hallowed principle that you so espouse for the Palestinians? I think not.
Your rule was peppered with injustice, mismanagement and what not.
Like the Malay saying” Kuman di seberang laut nampak, Gajah didepan mata tak nampak'”.
That sums up for me what you really are.
Israelis committing injustice against Palestinians should be rightly condemned. Should it not be also the same yardstick we should use for you?
Take care and have a happy new year.
If that is what anti-semitic means… than I AM ANTI SEMITIC!! so sue me…!!
Salam,
Well said Tun.
Wan.
Jerusalem in the Qur
SALAM BUAT TUN BERDUA MOGA DIRAHMATI ALLAH S.W.T
1) RIMBAEMAS PASTI TUN SEORANG YANG TEBAL MUKA DAN TIDAK AKAN MENGAMBIL PEDULI AKAN GELARAN YANG DIBERIKAN. SEBAB ITU TUN BOLEH BERJAYA. MALAH PANDAI MENULIS DAN MENEPIS KEMBALI APA YANG DIKATAKAN PIHAK LAWAN TUN.
2) MALAH GELARAN YANG DIBERIKAN PIHAK LAWAN DALAM NEGARA SENDIRI PUN TUN BALAS DENGAN TULISAN BUKAN DENGAN TINDAKAN.BANYAK PEMIMPIN YANG BEGINI SELAMAT DAN TERUS BERJAYA.
3) WALAU BAGAIMANA PUN ADA TINDAKAN BEGINI BOLEH MEMBAWA KEBURUKAN KALAU IA TERSILAP TAFSIR TERUTAMANYA OLEH PENGIKUT YANG EXTREM. GOLONGAN INI BUKAN SAHAJA BERCAKAP TETAPI BERTINDAK MENGIKUT PENDAPAT SENDIRI ATAU CAKAPNYA DITINDAKKAN OLEH PENGIKUTNYA.
4) SEBAB ITULAH DALAM ISLAM PANDUAN AL-QURAN DIBERIKAN UNTUK UMATNYA MENGIKUT KATA-KATA ALLAH S.W.T. ISLAM IALAH YANG MENGIKUT KATA-KATA ALLAH S.W.T. DAN INI TERMASUKLAH PEMIMPINNYA.
5) NABI MUHAMMAD S.A.W IALAH NABI YANG TERAKHIR MAKA TIDAK ADA LAGI NABI SELEPAS ITU. PEMIMPIN YANG KEMUDIAN HANYALAH SEORANG PENGIKUT YANG JUGA WAJIB MENGIKUT SEPERTI RAKYAT LAIN WALAU PUN MENDAPAT GELARAN KHALIFAH. JADI PEMIMPIN SELEPAS ITU BUKANLAH MAKSUM YANG PENDAPATNYA BENAR SERATUS PERATUS.
6) PEMIMPIN-PEMIMPIN SELEPAS NABI S.A.W TIDAK DILINDUNGI DARI MELAKUKAN DOSA MALAH PENDAPAT YANG DITERJEMAHKAN TERUTAMA SEGALA PERJUANGAN NABI UNTUK DICONTOHI TERUTAMA DALAM PEPERANGAN BUKANLAH PERINTAH ALLAH S.W.T KEPADA KITA.
7) KISAH-KISAH PEPERANGAN NABI MUHAMMAD S.A.W IALAH PERINTAH ALLAH S.W.T KEPADA NABINYA MENEGAKKAN ISLAM. NABI MENDAPAT WAHYU KETIKA DIA BERPERANG. DARI CERITA KEKUATAN LAWAN HANYALAH JUMLAH BILANGAN TETAPI DARI SEGI KEKUATAN LEBIH KURANG SAMA SAHAJA KELENGKAPANNYA. MUNGKIN SEBAB ITU ALLAH S.W.T MEMBOLEHKAN NABI BERPERANG ? WALHAL KEKUASAN ALLAH S.W.T MAHA BERKUASA UNTUK MENGHAPUS MUSUH-MUSUH ISLAM.
8) IKTIBARNYA KITA KENA FIKIR BAHAWA PEPERANGAN BUKAN KEHENDAK KITA SEKARANG KERANA INILAH MUNGKIN JALAN-JALAN KEMUSNAHAN MANUSIA DIBUMI INI.KITA TIDAK AKAN DIBANTU KERANA IA BUKAN WAHYU YANG DITURUNKAN KEPADA KITA SUPAYA BERPERANG. KITA TELAH TAHU KEMANA AKHIRNYA MEREKA YANG KAFIR AKAN DIHUMBANKAN.
7) NABI PERNAH BERHIJRAH UNTUK KEMBALI KUAT, MALAH SANGGUP MEMBIAR KAUM KAFIR MEREBUT HARTA DUNIA KERANA IMAN KEPADA ALLAH S.W.T. SANGGUPKAH RAKYAT PALESTIN BEGITU ATAU ITULAH CARA PILIHAN MEREKA PENTINGKAN TANAH PUSAKA SEHINGGA SANGGUP MENGADAI NYAWA ANAK-ANAK KECIL, WANITA DAN GOLONGAN TUA.
8) MANUSIALAH YANG MENCETUSKAN PEPERANGAN DISANGKA MENEGAKKAN ISLAM RUPANYA KERANA HARTA DUNIA.
WALLAHU’ALAM
Salam Tun,
Totally agree with you Tun. It is the same problem with Malaysia.. When we are defending our rights… we will be labelled as racist.. Perhaps now is the time where we need to go with attacking strategy.
To condemned what the jews did to the Palestinians is wrong. To defend the act of the retaliation of the Palestinian is also wrong.
The retaliation from the Jews on what had happened to them 60 years ago is totally wrong. What really does not make any sense is that they choosed to retaliate to the Palestinian. What did the Palestinian do to them beside permitted them to settled on their land???
Selalu jaga kesihatan Tun and Tun Siti juga. Semoga Allah sentiasa merahmati Tun. InsyaAllah. Anakanda doakan Tun sentiasa sihat dan dipanjangkan umur. Amiin.
Salam Tun & bloggers,
Allow me to comment point by point
1.We,the non-Jews should also create a top 10 list of the atrocities/destruction/disasters by Jews
2.These should be based on action by Israel govt and their “allied” countries like US and UK
3.As a Malaysian I’m very proud to hear that you Tun are listed,and your act against terrorist Israel/Jews is consistent for the past 3 decades or so
4.Your critical voice against oppression of Palestine/Gaza are very much appreciated by the world over,and your concerted effort by mobilizing aid through Perdana Foundation truly touched the heart of the people
5.The used of depleted uranium is utterly puzzling considering the long term affect.It should be banned together with land mine and cluster bomb
6.Jews used Holocaust as an excuse to justify their action,even though some historian argued the existent of Nazi’s gas chamber/killing field
7.Palestinian were forcibly evicted from their homeland,building and farm destroyed to make way to country called Israel
8.Even the Al-Quran mention the brilliant brain of the Jews,hence explained the dominance of their enterprises from finance,communication,entertainment etc.These explain the almost unlimited resources towards “Greater Israel”
9.Palestine with the opposite situation,the lack of resources,together with sanction were labeled terrorist by Jews’ controlled media
10.Imagine if Muslim countries were united and start supporting Palestine like how USA did to Israel
11.The term ‘collateral damage’ were coined to justify the killing of the Talibans: almost anybody with turban,including the Sikhs if they are not careful
12.We’ve heard umpteenth time that most of the time the bomb dropped by drone or unmanned aircraft hit a convoy of wedding party or ordinary people mistaken for Talibans
13.And how about pre-emptive strike?
14.Anti-Semitic or not,let the humanity be the judge,because Tun you will be remembered as a fighter for the weak and injusticed
15.May Allah bless you
Wassalam
“…but I was merely exercising my right to free speech to speak up against what I considered as injustice.”
But we all agree, and this is something you yourself have often said nad that too in recent times, there is no right of absolute free speech. Those who claim to live in civilized societies must exercise caution and restraint and not utter vitriolic and inflammatory comments, especially veteran and senior politicians.
“..the arbitrary imprisonment of people, the misinformation spread by the media they control etc..”
Perhaps you who imprisoned hundreds arbitrarily without charge or trial under the ISA and made misinformation an art form in M’sia by controlling the PRess and instituting the PPPA and enforcing the Sedition Act against purely political opponents would care to explain your double standards?
“There is no difference in terms of violence between the acts of a suicide bomber and the killings by bombs dropped from the sky or missiles fired from a distance. Both cause fear and terror. Both acts are therefore acts of terror. Both qualify to be called terrorists. State terrorists are no different from irregular terrorists.”
This is pure and utter nonsense! You mena there is no difference between between say, what the Allies did in defending universal freedom in WW2 in bombing Dresden and Hisroshima to bring the Nazis and Japs to their knees, and what suicide bombers did in killing innocents in WTC in NY, London, Bombay, Bali, Jakarta etc.?
It takes a peculiar demented mind and mentality to equate those who fight and combat to uphold freedom, democracy and rule of law with suicide bombers and terrorists; a mind that defends terrorism only where 1 particular religion is concerned!
dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race
Salam Tun,
I would not be surprised that one day, another so-called holocaust will happen on Israel again. If it does, then Israel deserves it fully.
Salam TDM and all;
Thank you for highlighting the points. Sesungguhnya ramai kita nie yg mudah lupa. “Walasri innalinsa nalafi husz, illallazi na amanu waamilusalihah, watawa saubilhaq iwatawasaubissabr”…Amin.
The atrocities by the Israeli are allowed to continue year after year to justify what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust.
However, there are questions of whether the Holocaust really happened to the extend of what they are propagating or is it just staged for bigger plans to occur such as the existence of the Israel nation by taking someone else’s country.
Salam Tun,
Seemingly the Jews are trying hard to issue a provocation against those who opposes them.Bet they thought it is the best way to appear like ‘an innocent flower,with a serpent’s nature underneath’..an excellent mask to justify their ruthless act against the helpless Palestinians!
Salam dear Tun,
Well put Tun..nuff said
Not to forget. Check out these comments mention by the 4th iranian president..
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm
dr m.. after 22 years being in power. im sure you’ve seen a lot. either from this part of the world or the other.
I quote
” 17. I am simply against injustice, against oppression and unmitigated and illegal violence.”
Do tell me that youre not bias. That the only country at war is Israel against every neigbouring Arab country?
this other quote brings loads of confusion on your part.
“8. It is not being Semitic that is wrong. What is wrong and what draws condemnation is the arrogance, the lack of respect for the lives and rights of others, the blatant seizure of other people’s land, the arbitrary imprisonment of people, the misinformation spread by the media they control etc – which are the subject of condemnation. Whoever commits them must be condemned. And it is obvious that it is the Israelis who commit them most. Israeli oppression and injustice towards the Palestinians cannot be disputed even by those who back Israel.”
How did the Israelites first got their country and independence? Through what means do you know? Do you understand the agreement between the neighbouring countries? Have you not read your news to see how many times over and over again people go against their own agreements and are jeolous over the prosperity of another.
The Jews are one of the most highly acclaimed group of people due to their never die ability, the ability to rise above tough circumstances and to what is this owed?
Only the U.S. is supporting them? Seriously…Even in our country with so much support. Are we prospering? Is there an abundance felt everywhere? What’s the perception? Are we not being helped at all?
Do tell.. Pardon me for the lack of possibly mindedness when writing this. Am just expressing my lack of freedom of speech..
Zionists will even name Jews who are critical towards the over hype of the Holocaust as “anti-Semite”. Here are two examples:
Jennifer Peto
Dr Norman Finkelstein