2. I understand Johore is still buying treated water from Singapore for 50 sen per 1,000 gallons. The amount purchased should not exceed 12 per cent of the raw water bought by Singapore.
3. The agreement also stipulates that the price of raw water and treated water can be renegotiated and changed if both parties agree. Should the raw water price be revised upwards Singapore would be entitled to revise the price of treated water.
5. If both sides agree on this quantum of price increase, Singapore would actually earn more from selling treated water to Johor than Malaysia would earn from selling raw water to Singapore.
6. Almost 10 years ago Johor was allocated sufficient money to build its own treatment plant so as not to buy treated water from Singapore. I am told that for reasons unknown, despite building its own treatment plant Johore is still buying treated water from Singapore.
7. Johore sells raw water to Melaka at 30 sen per 1,000 gallons. It seems that Johore is less generous towards Melaka than it is towards a foreign country. The wisdom of this escapes me.
8. Whatever, in 2011, a new agreement to supply Singapore with raw water from Johore may have to be made, I think that despite Singapore’s desalination plant, despite Newater, and new reservoirs, Singapore would still need raw water from Johore. We should be willing to supply the people of Singapore with raw water.
9. The question is whether we should sell at 3 sen per 1,000 gallons and buy at 50 sen per 1,000 gallons of treated water as before or we should extract better terms.
10. Malaysian negotiators are unduly generous and we often provide ourselves with no exit clause. I will not cite the cases.
11. The public, the Johore people in particular, should be assured that we don’t make agreements which are indefensible this time.
“Bagaikan seorang bapa menjual sebiji tembikai kepada jirannya dengan harga RM 0.50 sebiji kemudian membeli semula tembikai yang sudah siap dipotong dan dikupas oleh jirannya dengan harga RM 5.00 sebiji, kemudian menjual semula kepada anak…-anaknya dengan harga RM 10.00 sebiji. Kemudian memberitahu anak-anaknya bahawa dialah bapa yang bijak dan pemurah kepada anak-anaknya. Anaknya hanya mampu mengangguk kerana tidak tahu ayahnya selama ini seorang penipu!”
Pendedahan ini juga mungkin menjawab persoalan mengapa harga air di Johor merupakan yang paling tinggi di Malaysia.
http://milosuam.blogspot.com/2011/01/bukti-kukuh-rakyat-johor-diperbodohkan.html
p/s: seriously, ada org tgh buat duit from this agreement.
Salam Tun and Tun’s Fan.
it’s good to comment and critisize but who takes notes and action on the comments here, by the people. Ada ke orang atas, anak didik Tun yang melaungkan “Rakyat Didahulukan…” ambik port? I doubt it! I think its like a place to lepas geram and tu jerlah.. (me inclusive!).. tapi takpe.. nak lepaskan jugak..
1. Ada pemimpin, ada Rakyak. Pemimpin dipilih oleh Rakyat. Rakyat yang memilih pemimpin tak boleh tegur pemimpin. Nazri says he’s not obligated to answer to just anyone beside the parliament! Ini ke sikap rakyat didahulukan? I really think ramai yang frust dapat pemimpin yg macam ni..
2. Kes air malaysia-singapore.. i think ulasan dan komen diatas cukup untuk di ambil kira oleh pemimpin rakyat Johor/Malaysia jika betul Rakyat didahulukan. Opinions from the people is so very easily accessible, nak tak jer..
3. parliament malaysia is very not democratic. Usul yang bagus pun depa tolak tepi.. semata2 its originated from the opposition? is opposition representative not people ke? by right, once elected to the parliament, soal party, soal peribadi has kena tolak tepi.. tapi tunggulah election baru lepas kiamat..
4. Halal/Haram.. apa hukumnya makan gaji buta? halal ke haram? Rasanya haram kot. wakil rakyat yang tak menyuarakan suara rakyat.. dok tidur dalam parlimen, tak bukak mulut, ponteng persidangan.. tak buat persediaan utk sesi perbahasan.. semua makan gaji haram.. hukum haram == hukum makan babi.. we have been fooled for so many years of electing wakil yg have no intention to represent the people.. politics is dirty and its tough to cleanse it..
5. price of fuel naik lagi hari ni? ini ke kerja wakil rakyat yang diamanahkan untuk menjaga kepentingan rakyat. saya rasa depa ni tak rasa kesusahan rakyat langsung.. cuba buang all the wakil rakyat punya privileges.. elaun tu, elaun ni, subsidi tu, subsidi ni.. wakil rakyat tak keluarkan a single cent to fill-up petrol.. mana depa nak rasa kesusahan rakyat.. gaji menteri puluh ribu.. pas tu cakap, terpaksa.. RAKYAT MALAYSIA MEMANG BODOH JIKA MASIH MEMILIH PEMIMPIN SEKARANG!
I adjouned for now.
salam kepada TUn yang sangat disayangi dan dicintai
juga kepada semua pembaca blog ini dan khas buat rakyat Johor dan malaysia amnya.
apa yang saya nak katakan mungkin kesat bahasanya dan sakit telinga didengar lebih lebih lagi orang “singa.. pur”
pendapat saya bahawa setelah tamat nanti perjanjian pada tahun hadapan….. tidak perlu lah lagi kita sambung penjualan air itu pada mereka….
kalau mereka mahukan juga belia air….. kita semua jual je lah air kumbahan sisa dari kita semua untuk mereka tambah bersama-sama air kumbahan mereka sendiri untuk proses buat air “newater”
Itu sahaja yang patut kita jual pada mereka dan mereka memang selayaknye mendapat itu sahaja. Mereka jenis tak tahu bersyukur dan suka membuli dan ambil kesempatan terhadapa malaysia atas kebaikan malaysia sekian lama.
dan sampai masanya kita pentingkan dahulu rakyat kita sendiri dan kegunaan kita sendiri.
Pemerintah Singa…pur itu tak ada bezanya dgn Israel dan amerika
Singapore = Israel = America… they are all same
SALAM
TUN..
dan yang lain..
senang cerita begini.Kami warga alaysia terutama warga Johor memang tidak senang hati dgn singapura dan warganya.Lihat sajalah warga singapura yang masuk ke Malaysia.Mereka hanya membayar tol..tol yang ada pun di rendahkan lagi bayarannya.Warga biadab ini memandu di atas jalanraya Malaysia dengan penuh angkuh dan biadab.Tidak hormat pada undang-undang apatah lagi pada warga tempatan.Saman polis hanya di jadikan bahan jenaka.Mereka tetap bebas keluar masuk Malaysia walau punya beratus saman.
Di lebuhraya utara selatan merekalah jaguh..di bandar2 terutama di Johor Bahru merekalah paling hebat.Lampu isyarat di langgar kereta warga tempatan di himpit malah ambulan yang dipandu laju kerana kecemasan mereka boleh menyondol di belakang serupa khinzir.
Hartanah di Johor terutama di buat khusus untuk warga singapura.Harga rumah melambung malah ada pemaju yang memanggil pihak berkuasa berkenaan keselamatan perumahan singapura untuk menilai projek mereka di JOHOR untuk menunjukkan projek mereka setanding singapura.malang betul warga Malaysia terutama melayu.Danga bay di bangunkan dengan hartanah bernilai jutaan ringgit.Siapa yang akan beli?fikirlah sendiri..lama kelamaan Johor akan tergadai menjadi wilayah singapura…pemimpin yang ada memang bodoh..hanya pandai kira duit tapi menjahanamkan bangsa..
wassalam
I don’t understand!
Why can’t Malaysia treat their own water?
Why must Singapore treat the water for us?
Malaysia is a bigger country compared to Singapore.
We have all the expertise, money and large amount of lands in Johor.
Why can’t we treat our own water?
Why do we need to sell water to Singapore?
We are not having enough water for our own people!
Why should we let a small country bully us the bigger country by agreeing to their stupid terms?
I think we must halt whatever water agreement we have with Singapore with immediate effect. We don’t need them to treat our water. We can do it ourself.
I think someone is taking commission by millions of Ringgits by agreeing or extending this water agreement.
Sell whatever you like but don’t sell water!
It is not a renewable commodity!
http://www.mfa.gov.sg/internet/press/water/faq.html
For every 1000 gallons of water:
Singapore pays 3 sen for the raw water from Malaysia
Singapore pays RM2.40 to treat this water
Malaysia pays 50 sen to buy this treated water from Singapore
Malaysia sells this treated water at RM3.95 to Johor residents
Singapore pays 3 sen for raw water, but the real cost to us for raw water is much higher because we pay for all the construction costs to build the reservoirs, dams and pipeworks to bring the water to Singapore.
On the other hand, Malaysia makes money from the treated water they buy from us. Each day, Malaysia buys 37 million gallons of treated water. This means that we lose to Malaysia RM70,000 a day for treated water, and Johor makes a profit of RM128,000 every day by selling treated water bought cheaply from us. That’s a profit of RM47 million each year!
Desalination plant, recycle water plant and better management of rain water catching are undoubtly the future in sustainable water management. The increase in population, uncertain weather and rainfall, shallowed river bank due to sedimantation, polluted rivers and competition from industry and agricultural for water resources are stressing the water supply capability in any country and unfortunately Malaysia is not spared.
The government of singapore is having a far sighted vision to develop and invest in technology to sustain its water resources. The next step will be production of water by using renewable energy such as wind turbine, solar and even wave power. I have no doubt that Singapore has the capability to develop and mature the technology.
Remember the racing between the turtle and the rabbit and finally the turtle emerge as the winner. It is not surprise that Malaysia might buy recycle water from Singapore in thirty years time.
Salam,
Buat semua yang telah memberi komen, terutamanya tentang perkara-perkara yang selama ini “RAHSIA”, syabas kerana anda semua sekarang punya hak untuk bersuara. Anda juga punya hak untuk mendedahkan perkara-perkara selain daripada yang Tun telah dedahkan.
Tak nampakkah saudara/i semua apa yang Tun sedang lakukan ini?
Tun buka mata kita semua dan kita pula buka mata mereka yang belum celik.
Tun cuma jolok dengan satu cerita dan kita semua ‘terpanggil’ untuk berkongsi cerita.
Yang terasa atau terkena batang hidung sendiri akan melenting dan membalas dengan mengeluarkan cerita versi mereka.
Yang jengkel dengan Tun akan keluarkan cerita-cerita keburukan Tun.
Yang menyokong Tun akan mempertahankan Tun.
Cerita dari kedua-dua belah pihak akan dikongsi dalam blog Tun ini.
Pandai-pandailah timbangkan… 😉
Dengan kata lain, Tun telah mencapai matlamatnya yang sebenar apabila membuat keputusan untuk menjadi ‘blogger’.
Syabas Tun!
Dear Tun and other users,
The latest information to share.
The Singapore government has stated that it will not renew the 1961 agreement which expires in 2011. Attempts to reach a new deal with Malaysia to secure water supply for Singapore beyond 2061 have not borne fruit despite years of tedious negotiations. To reduce Singapore’s dependence on imported water, the government has taken steps to increase the size of the local water catchment area and to build up the supply from non-conventional sources, namely NEWater (reclaimed water) and desalinated water. With the various water projects progressing well, government officials have assured Singaporeans that the country can be self-reliant in water by 2061 if it needs to be.
Dearest tun
may I..to En. Ahmad Badri
Thanks for enlightening me on the source of your contention.I do hope that these are facts and not mere opinion of Tun on the Tunku knowing how these two great leaders bitterly disagreed with each other as is common in politics..
Nonetheless really enjoy reading your postings.Thank you.
Thanks Tun.
Dearest Tun
Please may I..
// By superyusrieAuthor Profile Page on November 16, 2010 9:47 PM
Hey Tuan parameswara 2
Apekehe miker ni bila bercakap bunyi macam kel*ng ?? Sila jangan cuba nak menjadi jurucakap bagi orang Melayu di sini apatah lagi sebagai anak Perak ! Getik kumer mendengornyer ! Tak ada maknanya miker mengaku Islam sedangkan hati dan lidah miker tak pernah berhenti dari mengagung2kan kerajaan pulau berfahaman Zionist yang tak semiak di selatan tu ! Apa miker dapat, menjatuhkan morale org2 Melayu “dari dalam” di laman web yang dilawat berjuta manusia nie??
Bermacam saranan mengarut yg kamu ajukan kat dalam nie ye…suruh PM imamkan sembahyang lah, suruh buat ucapan ikut stail Anwar lah, suruh naik basikal jumpa rakyat lah…kamu ingat orang Islam Malaysia semuanya “superficial minded” macam kamu kah?? Musang berbulu ayam kamu nie sebenornya !//
saudara superyusrie yang dihormati
1-Pandangan manusia memang nya berbeza antara satu sama lain itulah kehendak Allah SWT mencipta kita untuk mempercambahkan idea2 serta menguji manusia.Kalau kita tidak bersetuju dengan mana2 pandangan kita utarakan pandangan kita secara rasional.Kita tak perlu bersikap emosi.Kalau pandangan saudara dapat meyakinkan saya akan kebenarannya maka rugilah saya seandainya saya tidak menerimanya.
2-Dah lama berkecimpung dalam blog chedet ni saya jadi semakin mesra dengan Tun dan juga para blogger lain jadi kadang2 tu saya nak melawak lah sikit cuma saya ni tak pandai melawak jadi saya minta maaf lah kalau lawak saya tu tak menjadi dan menyinggung perasaan anda.Minta maaf sangat.
3-Tak benar saya terlalu mengagungkan Singapore.Bacalah komen2 saya dibawah posting LKY.Tapi kita juga tak boleh menafikan kehebatan mereka kalau kita nak berjaya.Ini adalah takdir dari Allah SWT untuk kita untuk berjiran dengan Singapore.
4-Kalau kita negatif Singapore tak dapat memenefaatkan kita sedikit pun tapi kalau kita positif kita bernasib baik mempunyai jiran yang kaya dan menunjuk ajar kita serba serbi.Mempunyai jiran yang kuat memaksa kita untuk menjadi kuat juga demi mempertahankan maruah kita dan ini adalah hikmahnya kalau kita positif.
5-Kita masih terlalu jauh untuk berbangga diri.Insyaallah satu hari nanti orang2 Melayu akan bangkit dan mewarisi dunia ini dari bumi bertuah ini,tetapi ianya akan bermula dengan kita merendah diri dahulu.Meyombong diri tu adalah sifat tidak baik yang akan membawa kerugian kepada baik orang2 yang berjaya apatah lagi orang2 yang belum berjaya.
Thanks Tun.
Assallammualaikumwarahmatulahiwabarokatuh..
Tun..semoga sudi memberi ruang dan keizinan..:)
[[cherrycherry]]
If you say that after all the Johor water will flow to the sea (if we do not want to sell to Singapore)]]
Mr cherychery..I did not even implied this as so ( wanting to sell water to singapore )let alone confounding them to the issue..I am making a statement here..Please..oh please..don’t make an impression that I did..:)
[[then nobody is forcing Singapore to buy water from Malaysia but why did’nt Singapore take that water from the sea and treat it instead of buying from Johor???]]
This is the bone of contention.
When we are weak people will take advantages..Somebody before us made a huge,colossal and gargantuan mistake’s.From pointing all the gun’s in wrong direction ( anticipating Japanese assaults from the sea )and many other’s and we suffered this decision.My contention is about how we are going to rectified this error of mistakes..
The methodology.
[[If you think that water is a right to everyone and cannot be exclusive to Malaysia alone than may be you should let the Indonesians, the cats, the dogs, the rats to stay in your house after all the land beneath is owned by Allah for everyone to live]]
I did not says and I have no right of saying’s all these thing.
I only emphazised the right of equality that Allah gives all of us..Again..the methodology..
[[then let all Muslims give everything they own in the name of Islam and we will be left with naked bodies in the name of stupidity]]
Stupidity? Agreed very much with you but I did not concur’s..
I have told Mr Parameswara and I am telling you repeating the same equation..
Muslim’s must follow’s rule,law and regulation the way Islam permitted them to.And it all started in Islamic education.We have many disagreement today because we strayed from this basic education.When Mr Cherry learns Islam the way we do
( conventional ) you will see the light’s differently but at the same moment understands them from other point’s of view.Islam offers everything from “heaven and in between” contrasted by limited English comprehension stated that “everything under the sun” perception.
I echoes it again in this emphatic statement.Islam’s offer’s solutions.You need just only to look.And it did not help if you are bind by the comprehension of secular education..
Mr..they says’ it pains and hurtful when you broke the cherry..But the one who broke them can never understands but empathizes when the other party says…stop..stop..it hurts…But you still want’s to penetrate it is not so ?….:)
And I offer an approach to this methodology that is
Brinkmanship
Broke the cherry…Get it mister?..:)
Thank you sir.
Terima kasih Tun.
Tun,
Perjanjian air telah di tandatangani antara kedua-dua kerajaan dalam tahun 1961 dan pada masa itu harga 3sen untuk setiap 1000 galon air mentah mungkin munasabah. Saya bersetuju dengan pendapat bahawa kerajaan Malaysia pada masa itu tidak memandang jauh ke masa depan, kerana menandatangi perjanjian dengan harga jualan air yang tetap selama 50 tahun. Bagaimanapun, perjanjian yang menguntung sebelah ini adalah keputusan yang dibuat tanpa memikirkan kesannya keatas rakyat dan negara di masa hadapan. Itu lah yang telah, sedang dan akan dilakukan oleh kerajaan Malaysia sekarang di bawah pemerintahan UMNO dan BN yang ditinggalkan Tun. Setelah 53 tahun merdeka, negara masih tidak boleh berdikari dan masih bergantung kepada negara lain untuk membangunkan negara. Lihat saja perjanjian air, perjanjian penjualan minyak dengan negara matahari terbit dan yang terbaru, perjanjian dengan Singapura untuk mendapatkan dana bagi melaksanakan projek laluan keretapi berkembar.
Semua ini adalah peninggalan atau legasi UMNO dan BN kepada generasi baru rakyat Malaysia.
Dear parameswara 2
Please read the book “The Malay Dilemma” by Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, and try to find this letter called “Surat Dr. Mahathir kapada Tunku”, written in 1969, which was also mentioned in the recent Musikal, then you may understand better why we of my generation are different from you with regard to Tunku.
Salam YABhg. Tun,
1. Must we buy treated water from Singapore?
2. Can we build a water treatment plant and sell treated water to Singapore at 50sen (or whatever price suitable), and not buy treated water from them anymore as we then will have our own water treatment plant?
3. Is there a way the Government can prosecute or penalize those who drafted or approved such contracts that can be seen as demeaning to our Nation’s interest whether in short or long term.
4. Weren’t there any basic templates or judgement present when drafting agreements that will protect our country’s interests?
Mind boggling on how such unfair contracts were approved e.g. highway concession included.
As rakyat of Malaysia, we need some insights on some of these topics.
Thanks.
Selamat hari raya to you and family.
Hey Tuan parameswara 2
Apekehe miker ni bila bercakap bunyi macam kel*ng ?? Sila jangan cuba nak menjadi jurucakap bagi orang Melayu di sini apatah lagi sebagai anak Perak ! Getik kumer mendengornyer ! Tak ada maknanya miker mengaku Islam sedangkan hati dan lidah miker tak pernah berhenti dari mengagung2kan kerajaan pulau berfahaman Zionist yang tak semiak di selatan tu ! Apa miker dapat, menjatuhkan morale org2 Melayu “dari dalam” di laman web yang dilawat berjuta manusia nie??
Bermacam saranan mengarut yg kamu ajukan kat dalam nie ye…suruh PM imamkan sembahyang lah, suruh buat ucapan ikut stail Anwar lah, suruh naik basikal jumpa rakyat lah…kamu ingat orang Islam Malaysia semuanya “superficial minded” macam kamu kah?? Musang berbulu ayam kamu nie sebenornya !
Trust me, at the rate you’re going, Malaysia would not miss you one bit should you decide to pack up and leave for that “incredibly advanced” (yeah rite haha!) island nation that you so admire !
p.s. Hypocrites need to be exposed from time to time, lest they do damage to the unsuspecting public ! To the CheDet blog moderator, may I suggest that this blog provide a “reply to comment” feature so that a full fledge discourse can be had between responses.
Thanks ayahanda Tun.
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Dearest Tun,
1) Malaysia should win the bargain for more rather than for less. We have the resources and we dictate the price. Or, else Singapore can choose to drink their on new water, recycled from their own droppings!
2) Singapore is lucky to have Malays as their neighbor. Malays are kind-hearted to allow Singapore enjoys its survival. Singapore wouldn’t have gotten such a good deal if the Malays are capitalist driven or kiasu minded.
3) If Malaysia is in the state of Singapore today, I’m sure Singapore will not allow the current rate to continue. Singapore is capitalist driven. Every little dust is counted. If it has no mercy over the rights of the Bumis and Islam. What guarantee do we have that it will be fair and just if the advantage is theirs.
4) I hope our leaders are able to stand firm on this issue. I’m sure Singapore is working hard getting into our turf to meddle with our decision making. We cannot allow water deal being corrupted on our soil!
5) Please remember that we don’t need Singapore but they need us. So, there is no points of giving in too much too soon in respect to Singapore.
6) Let them survive with their own droppings aka the new water. We no longer interested in selling any water to them. We need all the water that we have.
7) Malaysia have help enough and we have lost enough! Game Over!
Melayu itu hebat!
Dearest Tun
may I…
By HBTAuthor Profile Page on November 15, 2010 10:16 AM
12. By the way, what makes parameswara 2 thinks that Chinese are better than the Malays; Indians and other minority races in governing Malaysia?
13. Did Tun Dr MM imply Bloomberg indirectly it was Malays who caused other races regress?
14. parameswara 2 do not understand BI, or he thinks that Malays are born stupid and lazy forever who will never learn
To Waja Perak…
If you say that after all the Johor water will flow to the sea (if we do not want to sell to Singapore) then nobody is forcing Singapore to buy water from Malaysia but why did’nt Singapore take that water from the sea and treat it instead of buying from Johor???
If you think that water is a right to everyone and cannot be exclusive to Malaysia alone than may be you should let the Indonesians, the cats, the dogs, the rats to stay in your house after all the land beneath is owned by Allah for everyone to live….then let all Muslims give everything they own in the name of Islam and we will be left with naked bodies in the name of stupidity…
To AHMAD BADRI,
I concur……………I concur.
To Waja Perak…
If you say that after all the Johor water will flow to the sea (if we do not want to sell to Singapore) then nobody is forcing Singapore to buy water from Malaysia but why did’nt Singapore take that water from the sea and treat it instead of buying from Johor???
If you think that water is a right to everyone and cannot be exclusive to Malaysia alone than may be you should let the Indonesians, the cats, the dogs, the rats to stay in your house after all the land beneath is owned by Allah for everyone to live….then let all Muslims give everything they own in the name of Islam and we will be left with naked bodies in the name of stupidity…
To AHMAD BADRI,
I concur……………I concur.
YABhg Tun,
..just like to know whether the Johore Government or for that matter Malaysian Companies has interest in the company that process the water in Singapore….
Ini bukan persoalan Kemanusian.
Air,keperluan manusia,begitu juga sekarang talipon bimbit juga keperluan manusia,sekarang.
Hanya sekiranya mereka,ditimpa musibah,barulah isu kemanusiaan timbul.
1.Kita mesti bersedia,jika mereka tak nak teruskan,
terserah mereka,kita tak akan rugi,Yg rugi apabila kita kasi mereka murah,dan mereka ambil kesempatan atas kemurahan kita.
2.Jangan kita rujuk pada mereka,biar mereka rujuk pada kita.
3.Penjanjian baru mestilah,ikut semasa.
Jangan lama sangat,5 tahun sekali,wajar.
Kalau keperluan kita adakan ERP,untuk air mengapa Tidak
Salam
saya bersetuju sgt dgn ape yg diutarakan oleh saudara @6 Jahanam
malah ingin saya tambah supaya:
*kerajaan pusat tolong buat water treatment plan kat JB supaya kita tidak perlu membeli air terawat daripada mereka; tolonglah deal jual 3sen dan beli 50sen nie SANGATLAH BODOH dan MERUGIKAN; CONFIRM ade yg makan untung atas deal nie
*pastu naik kan harga air mentah kpd SIN kepada sekurang-kurangnya >10 kali ganda 3–>30 sen takkan depa tak mampu kate Yahudi back up.
macam la depa nak treat air laut all the way. tak pandai pakai kelebihan ke wahai menteri menteri OI!!! nak masuk poket sendiri je pikir
*seimbangkan harga air ke melaka; turun kan tarif melaka dan naik kan tarif SIN
*dan cakap pasal levy naik kan sekurang-kurangnya kita boleh cari income dari mereka instead dari mengenakan cukai tinggi kepada rakyat sendiri; depa pakai keta mahal2 nak masuk gear 6 pun tak sempat setakat drive kat SIN tue; kat Malaysia gak dia buat kerek
It is very obvious Malaysia is trying to bully Singapore. This is probably because of ‘Melayu Ketuanan’ or simply out of jealousy. The water agreement is not about 3 sen but Tun or Malaysia having the upperhand is using the supply of water as a stick to house train Singapore. They know that without Singapore’s initial investment, the water will flow into the rivers. Water is a gift from Allah.
This pattern of bullying is present in the bridge issue, the reclamation issue, the predra Branca, the KTM issue, the sand issue etc.
Why asked other countries not to supply sand to Singapore?
That is Mahathir, he does what he likes. Sometime his problem is that he takes himself too seriously and too self centred.
By all means negotiate a new Agreement. It is good economic sense for Malaysia and Singapore, otherwise the flood water will flow into the rivers and sea and All in Singapore will have to drink the more expensive NeWater.
SALAM BAHAGIA TUN,
ISU AIR YANG TUN KETENGAHKAN INI TELAH MEMBERIKAN SATU GAMBARAN YANG AMAT MENARIK TERHADAP SIKAP RAKYAT MALAYSIA. SECARA RINGKASNYA KITA DAPAT PERHATIKAN BAHAWA TERDAPAT DUA GOLONGAN MANUSIA/RAKYAT DIDALAM NEGARA INI;
PERTAMA: RAKYAT MALAYSIA YANG CINTAKAN NEGARA HANYA DIBIBIR SAHAJA. SEBALIKNYA RASA SIMPATI MALAHAN MUNGKIN SAYANG KEPADA NEGARA JIRAN -SINGAPURA, MELEBEHI DARI RASA SAYANGKAN MALAYSIA INI. MEREKA AKAN MEMPERTAHANKAN SEKIRA ADA PIHAK YANG MEMPERKECILKAN NEGARA JIRAN ITU. MEREKA MEMBANTAH SEKIRANYA TERDAPAT DASAR DAN KEPUTUSAN KERAJAAN YANG TIDAK MENYEBELAHI SINGAPURA – SIAPAKAH MEREKA MUNGKINA KITA SEMUA DAPAT RAMALKAN.
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MAZAI
salam Tun,
I agree with you. I shall say it is timely that you would address this issue. I just hope that the current authorities would have started drafting new proposals years ago and just modify it according to our needs, especially the price which would need to take into account factors such as inflation.
What i understand from what Tun is trying to say is, it is foolish not to trade. Therefore we will supply when there is demand.
and will be more of a fool if we don’t put a profitable price tag.
Aside from the fact that Johor must build their own water treatment plant (or add more if it is not enough)
Salam,
Barangkali Singapura tak mahu sambung perjanjian air tahun 1961 yang berakhir pada tahun 2011. Yang perjanjian 1962 akan berakhir 2061, depa tunggu dan lihat kalau cukup Newater depa mungkin minta sambung. kalau tak cukup bekalan Newater , mungkin depa minta rakyat Johor bagi sedekah air “sisa” untuk depa recycle kot. Singapura ini berkira setiap satu sen. Maklumlah Tokguru Lee Kuan Yew ada kat sana.
***Pandangan saya tentang Newater***
Ada 4 sumber air Singapura iaitu dari Johor, tadahan hujan, berpendapat masa depan Singapura sangat muram kerana air kitaran semula Newater ini ialah bukan semula jadi. Dalam dunia kita ini, benda2 tak semula mungkin banyak mudharat dari faedah. Macam2 penyakit. Makanan la ni pun dah ada jenis yang telah diubah gene(Genetically modified food), semua ini hanya nak melingkup manusia saja. Negara Cina sekarang pelopori ubah suai pelbagai jenis makanan. Tak ada cara lain ke nak pertingkatkan food production? Saintis la ni duk kaji kesan2 GM food ini. Saya bukan ahli kimia tak tahulah samada Newater ini dah ubah struktur molekul semulajadi air. Mana tau nanti muka manusia pun berubah kena banyak minum Newater!!!
***Singapura,Singapura****
Dalam masa 50 tahun Singapura dikatakan salah sebuah negara paling pantas maju. Tetapi yang sebenarnya Singapura mempunyai masa depan yang gelap. Percayalah gelap. Harga tanah,harga rumah melambung tinggi. Pesara2 dan golongan sederhana dah mulai rasa kesukaran hidup di singapura. Faktor2 dahulu yang menjadi pemangkin kepada kemajuan Singapura sekarang menjadi beban hidup (liability) kepada kerajaan singapura. Yang muda dulu dah jadi tua,jadi pesara. walaupun kerajaan Singapura bercadang umur persaraan nak ditingkatkan kepada 65 tahun tetapi majikan pula beranggapan sebaliknya dimana 40 tahun dah dianggap tak produktif di Singapura kerana dasar kerajaan Singapura “Hanya yang Terbaik saja” . Kemungkinan besar tujuan kerajaan singapura nak tingkatkan umur persaraan kepada 65 tahun sebab pesara2 banyak tertekan dengan kos sara hidup yang tinggi. Banyak masalah sosialekonomi nanti!!!
Kos sara hidup Singapura melambung dan ramai mulai tertekan. Singapura banyak bergantung kepada Indonesia dan Malaysia untuk dapatkan gas asli untuk menjana elektrik.Dengar cerita ini akan jadi satu masalah besar kerana Indonesia pun tak nak bagi gas asli lagi. Ada kemungkinan Singapura nak guna kuasa nuklear pula untuk hasil elektrik. Siapa nak tolong tanam sisa nuklear untuk depa? Mungkin Pulau Pinang kot?
Kaum bukan bumiputera selalu membanding2kan kejayaan Singapura dengan Malaysia.
“C
Dearest Tun
May I..
# By AHMAD BADRI on November 12, 2010 11:40 AM
……. He and his partner David Marshall hated the Malays, and he knew how to make use of Tunku’s stupidity. After he got what he wanted, namely a country named Singapore, he said to Marshall, “Thank you David, this is a bloodless coup”.Yes, he cried, with tears in his eyes. He cried because he was so happy, and he got what he wanted, and he also made Tunku look like an idiot, giving away a Malay country just like that. Those days nobody dared to go against Tunku’s decision. Only Tun Dr. Ismail resigned from his political position. The others, like the late Khir Johari, went on dancing….#
Dear Ahmad Badri
1-Please do not underestimate the wisdom of Tunku Abdul Rahman.If we Malaysians are enjoying the prosperity and harmony today it could not have happened without all the right things done by our leaders.Nothing happened in a vacuum.
2-You must understand that Malaysia is a strategic land dominated by Muslims where the West also have a lot of geopolitic and commercial interest in .You must ask the question, why did not the British hand over Singapore together with the other Straits Settlement to form Malaya in 1957.
3-The British have a lot of plans for this country only a fool would think will be in favor of the Malay Muslims.The British has no desire to give this country to the Malays.Due to then demographic situation and the economic strength of the Chinese through Lee Kuan Yew the political domination of Malaysia could have easily been won over by the Chinese.
4-Even if the Malays were to lose their cool and launch a civil war,WHO do you think the West/World be will be siding with,the Malays or the non Malays?Trust me,another Palestinian kind of conflict would be the order of the day.You see the situation of South East Asia is 100% the Middle East,you think up yourself.
5-Tunku could see this sort of possibility coming and being a truly bold leader that he was he took this hugely unpopular and extremely difficult decision unilaterally to kick Singapore out of the federation.Do you think any other leader would dare to take such a huge responsibilty all on his own?
6-Even the British were taken aback by this move.Its unprecedented in history Lee Kuan Yew himself didn’t expect.But the Tunku had no choice,its better to lose one small island to the Chinese rather to lose the whole of the country.
7-Can you imagine how tough the situation would be for the Malays if the Chinese population is as many as the Malays and when taking the Indian population into account the Malays are a clear minority?The Chinese is only about 27% of Malaysia now and we are already struggling…
8-There are many other strange leadership shown by Tunku.For example it is his idea to ensure the Malays remaining Muslims forever stipulated in the constitution.You know any other country like this?If the Tunku had not the wisdom he had only God knows what would have become of us Malays today.
9-What has happened has happened and nothing could change that. Its only best for us to be positive and give the benefit of the doubt to those who have already gone rather than to insult them out of our prejudice without true knowledge, and they not being able to defend themselves.Nonetheless only God knows best.
Thanks Tun.
Betul ke tak cerita ni..;
Penang still bayo RM1,000 setahun to Kedah sbb ada perjanjian antara Francis Light dgn Sultan Kedah dulu berkenaan daerah Seberang Perai. Dengar kata perjanjian ni berkuat-kuasa selama-lamanya…
Walaupun hal ni tak related dgn perjanjian air M’sia – S’pore, namun ia jelas menampakkan sifat org kita yg suka memberi dan tidak berfikir ke hadapan, dari dulu sampai sekarang.
Salam Tun & Fellow Bloggers,
I may have missed one point regarding part of the agreement that require Johor to buy back the treated water. Yeh do we have to buy back the water if we considered it expensive? “Selling” is one part that we cannot change without their consent ( of being a KIASU why should I throw away that benefit them? ) but is there a law to force us to buy back? Why not just opt not to buy and look for other sources as options. Is there a trap to indicate that if we don’t buy then Singapore will get free water? What kind of agreement is this? Sorry for being ignorant on the terms of the agreement. BTW, is the agreement open to public or still under secrecy act?
That’s why we the people ( 1Malayians) should tell/ warn TSN that he must get public consent before signing any future agreement with that KIASU state. Being a Muslim TSN must be fully aware that ALLAH knows. Olih itu JANGAN PANDAI2 SENDIRI kalau nak bau syurga.
May Allah bless & protect us and show & guide our leaders the right path…. AMEEEN
Salam Tun.
Cerita pasal air, saya nak kupas sikit isu air bersih kat negara kita. Saya nak bagi pendapat, kenapa kita tidak ada membekalkan air yang sudah dirawat untuk kegunaan isi rumah. Ye lah, bila nak minum, pulas je paip air tu, terus minum. Senang sikit macam tu. Kalau ada macam tu pun kat hotel-hotel je. Kat rumah-rumah kita tak ada pulak. Kat rumah saya pun sekarang ni, nak minum air masak pun bertawakkal jer sebab dah dimasak pun kuning lagi. Tangki dirumah pun saya perlu bersihkan setiap 3 bulan sekurang-kurangnya. Sebab dalam tempoh tu, air mula berubah warna dari geledak karat yang terkumpul dan mula rasa kegatalan kulit sekiranya saya tidak berbuat demikian. Kenalah beli Diamond (penapis air), Bio-Aura dan macam-macam lagi. Mahal jugaklah untuk memiliki air bersih seperti ini. Tu pun untuk minum jer. Yang mampu dapatlah rasa air bersih, yang tak mampu macam mana pulak. Saya rasa sekarang ni, sudah sampai masanya kita mengubahnya. Kerajaan perlu berbelanja besar untuk perkara ini. Agak-agak kalau bil air tu naik sikit rakyat tak kisah kot sebab air yang kerajaan bekalkan amatlah bersih. Jangan hanya naikkan bil, tapi tak ada apa-apa perubahan. Saya rasa, rakyat bising pun mungkin antara sebab-sebab ni jugak.
Isu sungai pulak, kenapa kita tak ada jabatan atau penguatkuasaan dalam memelihara sungai sahaja. Kita ada JPJ dan polis traffic untuk penguatkuasaan jalan raya. Kalau dari mata kasar, memang la ramai yang guna jalan raya, sampi perlu ada JPJ dan Polis traffic untuk mengawal keadaan. Tapi sebenarnya, ramai yang mencemarkan sungai. Cuma kita tak dapat lihat dari mata kasar jer. Setiap hari kalau saya ke tempat kerja, ada aktiviti memperbaik pulih jalan raya. Sampai jam teruk la. Sebab nak repair jalan tu. Tapi bila ada sungai di tengah bandar, tak ada pulak saya terlihat orang sedang membersihkan sungai di pinggir-pinggir jalan. Sungai yang ada di convert menjadi longkang. Jadi sungai hanya boleh membantu kita membawakan sampah sarap kita ke laut. Penguatkuasaan tak ada dalam pemeliharaan sungai ni. Kena berkeras sikit sebab sungai makin sikit. Cadangan saya. Kita perlu wujudkan satu sistem longkang yang canggih di mana longkang-longkang ini boleh membantu dalam melancarkan aliran sampah sarap ke tempat yang sepatutnya tanpa menjejaskan sungai. Bukan longkang yang menghala ke sungai. Mungkin longkang yang kita bina boleh menampung air banjir pada masa tetentu. Bila kita dah bina longkang macam ni, perlulah ada penguatkuasaan jugak dalam menjaga longkang. Kadang-kadang orang campak je apa yang ada kat tangan ke dalam longkang. Kalau kita bertegas, tak ada orang macam ni lagi. InsyaAllah. Cadangan je ni.
Air untuk Singapura pulak, amat penting. Ramai orang Islam kat sana yang nak berwuduk untuk bersolat dan bermacam-macam lagi. Sekiranya kita hentikan bekalan air mentah ini amatlah zalim. Untuk rundingan harga perlulah dibuat. Singapura negara yang kaya. Kalaulah kita nak naikkan sikit pun takkan tak boleh kot. Jangan kemut sangat. Cuma saya tak berapa setuju kalau Johore beli air yang dirawat dari Singapura. Saya pelik, kenapa kita tak beli jer mesin yang merawat air tu?… Boleh bekalkan satu Malaysia. Tak payah susah-susah nak runding. Taulahkan, Singapura ni bab runding-runding ni pun dia pusing-pusing jugak. Silap-silap kita lagi rugi. Susah-susah, kerajaan Johor perlu berbelanja besar untuk mempunyai kilang merawat air sendiri. Mungkin rugi sikit sekarang ni. Tapi untuk anak-anak kita, tak perlulah berkira sangat. Kita pun dapat air yang bersih. Betul tak Tun.
No need to renew water deal –
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_519620.html
Sudah la. Orang sudah tak nak meneruskan perjanjian, dan diumum untuk diketahui seluruh dunia. Kita pula masih membuat perbincangan yang tak kena-mengena.
Dianggap orang tak siuman yang menyalak tanpa sebab. SEDIHkan malaysian?
Bacalah lebih sebelum membuat komen-komen, tunjukkanlah kita ni diam ubi berisi.
Tun, plese take good care of you…we still need your advice , May Allah bless you, and everyone here.
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Good morning Ayahanda Tun,
1. At last, due to global democracy, Myanmar
Chronology of events for those who want to know the truth.
http://www.mfa.gov.sg/kl/event.html
Hi parameswara 2, human nature is such, Islam or no Islam… they don
Tun,Saya ada beberapa kemyuskilan.
Salam Tun,
By priss01 Nov 11,
It was unfortunate comments from you. Dont you ever think that it is possible that your name already in these morons’ list$.. If you are in overseas, better you stay there and dont ever come back. You can barked from there. If you are in the country, just becareful. Whatever things you do might be in trouble sooner or later. These morons wont need you. Also majority of people here.
Dont accuse anything yet. These are normal practices whether it is in China, USA, UK, Russia or any other big countries that you worships. Morons did that. Then you will know who is the real moron.
Dear Ekompute
Why are we harping on the water agreement with Singapore when the Pahang River is discharging even more water into the South China Sea? How about collecting one sen per million gallons from China, or tell them we are going to rename it “Laut Melayu”.
You should wonder why we need money for food when tiger get free food?
Assalamualaikum dan selamat sejahtera,
Saya melihat pentingnya setiap isu yang diperdebatkan di sini di muatkan ke dalam kurikulum sejarah yang baru samada di peringkat sekolah, university ataupun di peringkat kerajaan. Isu batu putih, jambatan bengkok, isu air, peristiwa 13 Mei 1969 dan pelbagai lagi boleh dijadikan kajian kes dalam pengajaran dan pembelajaran sejarah. Di samping itu, jika ia dapat dibukukan, ia akan menjadi sumber bacaan yang relevan dan mesti dimiliki oleh semua orang yang sayangkan tanahair bernama MALAYSIA.
Mana-mana petualang negara MESTI di tonjolkan dalam setiap aspek pengajaran sejarah supaya generasi lama dan baru insaf dan mengetahui duduk sebenar pembentukan dan evolusi bangsa Malaysia dan negara Malaysia sendiri.
Ini akan menjadikan subjek sejarah sentiasa relevan bersama masa, segar dalam ingatan bangsa Malaysia dan mereka akan lebih menghargai segala kenikmatan yang diperolehi pada masa kini dan akan datang.
Di harap lebih ramai pakar Sejarah tempatan akan tampil ke depan dan kegiatan penyelidikan berkaitan Sejarah Malaya/Malaysia akan lebih rancak dijalankan dan dibentangkan di seminar-seminar tempatan dan antarabangsa seterusnya dibukukan sejajar dengan aspirasi negara menjadikan Sejarah sebagai subjek teras.
Sekian, harap maklum,
maa
Tun dan Kerajaan Johor,
Memang patut Kerajaan Johor ambil perhatian apa yang Tun katakan tu. Sekurang kurang nya perkara itu dah menjadi pengetahuan rakyat satu Malaysia, jangan lah ada pihak buat main silap mata lagi. Tapi di mana mana banyak lagi transaksi -transaksi bagitu yang kurang dapat perhatian rakyat, orang orang besar yang berkuasa mengambil kesempatan bermain silap mata. Bila lagi kerajaan BN nak amalkan dan yunjukan kepada rakyat secara jelas .. bersih, cekap dan amanah.
Dearest Tun
1-So Singapore is going to overtake us as the third largest economy in South East Asia.You tell Bloomberg indirectly its because the Malays are holding us back.Just because we Malays need the affirmative actions the Chinese and Indians all have to slow down.Its fair and square to you.Just because your favorite son uses crutches everybody else’s sons cannot run.Thanks Tun you make us Malays all feel so good.
2-20 years down the road Bloomberg will be interviewing former premier Tun Najib when Singapore’s economy about to become double our economy.He will also coolly tell the Malays were the cause of the slow growth vis-a-vis Singapore.Tun got away with that so he reckoned so will he.
3-There is nothing wrong with them as the leaders,just the Malays.The saying that when a fish stinks it stinks from the head is unheard of by them.To them there is only one way of doing things, their way, which their kaki ampu surrounding them will them is perfect and World class.
4-If my staff were to give this kind of an excuse I’d ask them to resign immediately before I give them the boot.You are the one doing the wrong things and you dare blame it on others.All they think about are the Malays (or their cronies)as though the other people of this country has no feelings or substance whatsoever.
5-I will assure you that nothing’s ever gonna change Tun come another 100 years.The Chinese of Malaysia will only be more and more ahead of us.Singapore is part of their bamboo network.The stronger Singapore becomes so too will they.
6-In fact they are partly behind Singapore’s strength.So the way we are doing things now only benefit Singapore.The Chinese are unstoppable,if we Malaysians don’t help them others will.At the moment Singapore is the lucky beneficiary of Malaysia’s foolishness.
7-The only way out Tun is my two Malaysia temporarily broken up into a Malay Malaysia and a non Malay Malaysia.At least we can provide a strategic centre somewhere as big as the whole of Klang Valley already dominated by them but not yet developed so that the Malays can’t be complaining too much.How about the whole of Kinta Valley centred at my my most undeveloped rotting Ipoh City to be the non Malay Malaysia?Its already China there anyway.Just time to formalize it now.
8-Please think about our Malay pride Tun.Don’t let the other races hate us for keeping this nation behind our dynamic Singapore.At least while we seriously attempt to correct our shortcomings we let those who are not using crutches to run as fast as nature has made them to run.
9-Two Malaysia only as a temporary move before we merge up as One Malaysia after the Malays have been rehabilitated.You like it or not Tun this is the only way.There is no other way.I guarantee you!
Thanks Tun.
Assalamu Alaikum Tun,
You are right. The current deal shows how generous Malaysian are to its neighbouring country. We hope Singapore in turn will show its appreciation by agreeing to terms that fair to the Malaysian part especially the state of Johor.
Untuk memajukan Malaysia,
Kita mesti membenteras Rasuah.
Untuk membenteras Rasuah Kita perlu hampuskan kumpulan gangster.
Gangster Ibu kepada rasuah,ibu kepada along,perjudian,maksiat dan segalanya,hinggakan mereka bolih perlihara pegawai kerajaan.
Pegawai Kerajaan kalau bersubahat dengan anasir semidikian,maka lemahlah Kerajaan.
Untuk membeteras mereka kita perlukan Polis di bantu Askar Kerajaan.
Kena hampuskan musuh dalaman sebelum kita hampuskan musuh luar.
Begitu juga dengan perundingan luar,perlu pemantauan dari pihak ketiga,rakyat perlu tahu rundingan sebelumnya bukan sesudah keputusan.
Seumpama penyerahan tanah KTM,Najib tidak berhak membuat keputusan yg merugikan Malaysia.
Beliau hanya mewakili bukan memiliki.
Sekiranya itu hak bapak beliau,itu hak berliau.
Rakyat berhak bersuara.
Yakinlah Singapura,adalah jiran yg tak bolih dipercayai.
Lambat laun mereka nak menguasai kita,setelah kita beberapa kali
dihina kerajaan mereka.Soal meritrocrasy,perkauman dan sebagainya.
Meraka berbuat demikian untuk mengocar kacirkan kita bersama.
Melemahkan kemantapan UMNO,justeru senang mereka ambil kesempatan.
Seperti juga US,yg mengocar kacirkan perkauman di IRAQ,menghasut Pakisatan untuk pangkalan serang Afganistan,bertujuan memporak perandakan kita bersama justeru mudah bagi mereka menguasi tujuan mereka.
Berjuanglah Melayu.
TAK PERLU KITA JELAJAH,KITA HANYA WAJIB MEMPERTAHANKAN HAK KITA.
Berjimat semasa berada,
dah tak ada,apa yg nak dijimatkan lagi.
Berjagalah sebelum terkena.
Dearest YAB Tun,
1. In my opinion, we don
Why are we harping on the water agreement with Singapore when the Pahang River is discharging even more water into the South China Sea? How about collecting one sen per million gallons from China, or tell them we are going to rename it “Laut Melayu”.
You should first ask why we need money to buy food when even tiger can get free food?
Salam tun/all
Tak masuk akal agreement sekarang pasal jual beli air dengan Singapore. Kalau negeri lain di Malaysia boleh rawat air sendiri kenapa Johor yang lebih elok dalam segi kewangan dari Sabah/Sarawak/Kelantan dll tak boleh ada cukup logi rawatan air. Kerajaan Johor dan pusat patut rasa bersalah sama pada rakyat… Mereka patut lebih pandai bila negotiate .
Tak payah jual air lagi ke Singapore. Rawat air sendiri dan jual pada negeri2 lain dalam Malaysia.
Kalau tak boleh dapat better deal then jual je kat Singapre waste water not raw water . Singapore boleh rawat the waste water dan jual dalam negeri sendiri… logi depa canggih.
Chedet Bodoh.
Just looking from another angle :
1. Look at the bigger picture, the gains and losses of the various bargaining options – emotions aside.
2. Is Singapore condemned to be eternally dependent on our water? Or, will they one day say “We are not going to supply treated water to you any more as we no longer need your raw water?”
3.Singapore negotiators (including their PM) are paid much more than ours, hence they deserve the better deal.
4. Of course, it is safer, and maybe more rewarding, to please every one (including Obama, Clinton and Singapore) rather than to be branded as a ‘recalcitrant’ nuisance.
QUOTE: “4. If, for example, under the current agreement the water price is increased to 6 sen per 1,000 gallons, i.e. 100 per cent, Singapore can insist on the same percentage price increase by 100 per cent i.e. from 50 sen per 1,000 gallons to one Ringgit per thousand gallons.
Tun, I thought you had wanted RM3 per 1,000 gallons. So why talk about 6 sen now. Such big disparity in price proposal doesn’t make sense. Why not just tell them RM300 per gallon, take it or leave it… after all, as you said, we are not interested in selling water to Singapore.
http://www.defencedirectory.com/defenceNews/Malaysia/07Aug2002.htm
Dearest Tun
#8. Whatever, in 2011, a new agreement to supply Singapore with raw water from Johore may have to be made, I think that despite Singapore’s desalination plant, despite Newater, and new reservoirs, Singapore would still need raw water from Johore. We should be willing to supply the people of Singapore with raw water.#
1-Tun why should we be willing to supply the people of Singapore with raw water?You mean to say this wee poor country cannot afford to buy treated water?Or are you saying we do not have the technology to treat water?High income economy wannabe don’t have water treatment technology..?
2-The principle is so basic.Water is the most critical and precious of all commodities to the survival of mankind and we just can’t let other people to control it esp when we are the ones afforded the raw water.Its different if we had no choice as beggars cannot choose.Since Singapore Tun said is the one who need it,they are the one in the beggar shoes..yet it strangely appears Singapore is the colonial master and Malaysia it’s colony.
3-I wonder if there is any country in this world willing to supply raw water to someone else to treat and then sell it back and have an upper hand on us? Would Singapore sell its raw water and and buy treated water from us.Why not? Because Singapore is not stupid ma.
4-Please Tun stop all these nonsense,we must not renew the agreement at all cost.We must treat our own water and if anybody wants it too it must buy only treated water from us.Start building these water treatment plants soonest possible.
5-Since Singapore has also told the world that it has no intention of depending on our raw water there is really no issue at all.So there really is no need for us to be supplying raw water to Singapore.Strange why you think there is a need.
6-Should it change its mind later we can only offer our waste water at the same price we sell the raw water in the past and remind them that this is a special offer because they have been such a nice neighbor to us.Remind them also that this offer is only while stock last.
7-If they want our treated water we sell at a neighborly price of 60 sen per 1000 gallon.Take it or leave it.Don’t negotiate they will play us out again.Lets admit it they may not be the smarter guys.Only our people are the corrupted ones.
8-Oh proud to be Malaysian.Thanks Tun.
From my opinion, let the water price issue be gone because Singapore have no plan to fight for water from Malaysia anymore. When the first out of two old agreements end next year, they Singapore may already meet their 50% self sufficient water supply. Then when the second water agreement from Malaysia end more years to come, they are planning to totally achieve the 100% need water production, or maybe end up having more water than serving their need.
The next future issue would be Johor alone. Either Johor want to:
(1) no selling but continue buying the sure-high-price treated water from Singapore or
(2) seek for Singapore courtesy to help treat the Johor water
(3) bough the water from other Malaysia state or
(4) process their own water
Salam Tun,
Morons running this country? The guy who said this is simply brilliant but a slowcoach. All his equally brilliant compatriots were already gone for good, why is he still around is beyond comprehension to us mere (moronic?) mortals who have no choice but to stay here in moronic Malaysia.
Then, theres this “curryayam” (of all the nicks he can choose) who asked Tun to stop harping on these watery issues, and perhaps many other issues in past postings. People throw their curryayams into the bogs where it belongs if they don’t like it. Similarly, why hang around Tun’s blog if you can’t stomach whatever he has to say.
Somebody else sounds stupid when he tried to be funny (sarcastic?) with his “Laut Melayu” jibe.
Theres another hostile “old” fart who pines for LKY’s brand of dictatorship here in Malaysia. No chance. And don’t bother waiting for Penang to get its autonomy either. It won’t happen anytime soon or ever (morons sometimes and to your chagrin, do unexpectedly and in their twisted way learn their lesson, you know…!).
The morons running this country gonna run this country their moronic way, nothing you can do about it, not even by trying to outvote or vote them out. As a result, you guys will eventually do as the Malays of old said (translated):”They came uninvited, they ran off unasked”, with tails between their legs, I may add. Brains drain, goes the old cliche…. who cares? Its better to have around happy morons rather than unhappy supergeniuses….who can invent all sorts of incendiary materials…well, you can imagine the rest……!
Its an oxymoron isn’t it….you clever guys continuing to stay here, given the shoddy treatment you’re getting since times immemorial. You don’t deserve it, do you? But then anywhere you go, even in civilized UK, the natives treat you shoddy…why? Could be the supergene you carry around, with which you outsmart the natives in anything you choose to do…and the natives being moronic lazier-than-thou savages, don’t know any better…don’t know what else to do but treat you shoddy.
Hmmm…where else to go then? Back to the grand old country which grandad used to abandon? Naw, too straitjacketed, can’t say anything you like, like you do here in Tun’s blog? Singapore? LKY only wants the “creme de la creme”, and you happened to be just outside that top 0.5%. Furthermore its too small. Claustrophobically too demanding. Also, you are just another ordinary clever guys amongst too many clever guys around. Can’t feel superior over anybody except those few natives still lazying around, a little less lazy though compared to us in Malaysia.
Don’t be disheartened. Theres Hong Kong, Australia, NZ, USA….so many to choose from, what. I know, Japan is simply out-of-bound. Wonder why though. They can’t be too clever by-half, can they…those japs, compared to you guys. Hahaha!
YABhg Tun,
Kita ni amat baaik hati…
Seorang kawan Tionghua saya pernah berkata, manusia hidup atas 4 elemen penting… Api, air, tanah dan angin..
Untuk sahabat kita nun di selatan, kita sebenarnya dah bagi semua ke empat-empat elemen ni..
Api – kita dah salurkan gas kat sepa…
Air – memang Tun dah ulas kat atas ni…
Tanah – kita dah berikan pasir dan tanah untuk tambakan laut mereka..
Angin – ruang udara kita…?
Nak kata apa lagi perjanjian dah termeterai…terima jelah apa nak buat.
kalau nak duit sikit ada kat sini jom join contest di Blog Sensasi ada hadiah wang tunai.
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ALLAH melimpahkan Bumi Malaysia cukup dengan
Kekayaan Hasil Bumi.
Cukup melimpah,minyak,tanaman,cuacu dan sebagainya.
Dunia Timur yg kita kata kaya tak punyai sumber air.
Kita ada segalanya.
Sekarang Dunia bereconomy Antara Bangsa,Global Economy.
Jangan kita pandang air kita yg melimpah tak berharga.
Maka itu kita harus menilaikannya dengan $$$$$$.
Mengapa kita harus kasi murah.
Ini bukan persoalan kemanusian.
Ini persoalan Perdagangan.
Isu Kemanusian TIDAK WUJUD disini.
Meraka bukan ditimpa bencana,bukan ditimpa kemarau.
Meraka mengambil kesempatan,malah mereka kaya dari sumber kita.
Seolah kita menderma pada manusia yg kaya lagi bongkak.
Sabagai manusia,pilihlah mana yg lebih berharga
AIR atau MINYAK.
Seharusnya air lebih berharga dari Minyak.
Kenapa tak kita jual pakai barrel.
Kenapa tak kita jual harga air lebih mahal dari minyak.
Bukan saya tidak berperikemanusiaan.
Mereka kerap menghina kita,mereka sombong.
Pemimpin mereka kerap membandingkan kita dengan kemajuaan mereka,
Bertujuan melemahkan kita.
MEREKA berbaik sama kita bersebab,tidak dengan keikhlasan manusia. Belum dapat mereka baik,dah dapat kita akan disinggkir
dan dihina.
Pilihlah air atau minyak.Haiwan pun tahu pilih.
Assallamualaikumwarahmatullahiwabarokatuh..
Semoga mendapat izin dan perkenan Tun.
AHMAD BADRI
[[Now are we supposed to send more and more water to Singapore? What if they bring in 2 million more immigrants? Sell them a piece of Johor?]]
Sir..I had the impression that you implied that we owned the water.Meaning Allah resources in Johor that flows away to the sea.
I believes that you meant that we are rightful owner to this source.
Meaning we have the right to gives or denies anyone that not in the same view with us.Now..
How about using a bit analogy from the middle east? From the “hated” Israel?
I have been informed that once the water sources in the middle east belongs to the palestinian.In form of wetlands and what not the palestinian does not use them effectively..Can you imagined..In the middle of the desert?
So..When the Israelis got hand of this ‘waste not want not land’ full of the resources,they began to developed the water sources and suprise..suprise they did not hold back or choked the palestinian the source of the water..That is what I gathered..Maybe I am wrong and stand to be corrected..
The moral of the story?
Islam means peace.We promotes peace.Allah blessed us with this water as resources.Are we going to denied Allah resources because the end of the knife is pointed to other direction?
I have a lot things that disagrees with singaporean..kiasu and whatsoever..But Islam does not approves the strangulation of basic need of resources of whatever mean.
We disagrees with the methodology of sharing.Not the right.And we have no right whatsoever to denies this basic right even in the
named of preventing the spawn of “accumulation the real and possible enemies”..
Thank you sir.
Terima kasih Tun.
Salam tun/all
Tak masuk akal agreement sekarang pasal jual beli air dengan Singapore. Kalau negeri lain di Malaysia boleh rawat air sendiri kenapa Johor yang lebih elok dalam segi kewangan dari Sabah/Sarawak/Kelantan dll tak boleh ada cukup logi rawatan air. Kerajaan Johor dan pusat patut rasa bersalah sama pada rakyat… Mereka patut lebih pandai bila negotiate .
Tak payah jual air lagi ke Singapore. Rawat air sendiri dan jual pada negeri2 lain dalam Malaysia.
Kalau tak boleh dapat better deal then jual je kat Singapre waste water not raw water . Singapore boleh rawat the waste water dan jual dalam negeri sendiri… logi depa canggih.
Salam Tun Dm dan semua pembaca,
Tun memang menyampah dengan orang yang tidak cekap (mudah ditipu), lemah dan tidak dapat membawa kebaikan kepada negara dan rakyat. Maka siapa-siapa yang diamanahkan untuk berunding dengan Singapura hendaklah berhati-hati dengan meletakkan kepentingan negara dan negeri sebagai landasan utama – jangan asyik merugikan dan memperbodohkan negara.
Nasihat saya, jangan sampai Tun naik angin. Kalau Tun sudah naik angin, Tun sudah tidak peduli orang yang dibelasahnya itu ada Tun atau tidak pada namanya.
Salam Tun
You have been writing on this water issue so many times. I am begining to wonder what are your real intention.
You have been PM for 22 years. During this period you had the chance to vary the contract as provided for in the water agreement and you choose not to do it. Only you could explain the reason.
You also agree with LKY to raise the raw water price. You shook hands but a few months later, you reneged on your agreement. You up the ante but Singapore never blink and walk away and decided to allow the 2011 agreement to lapse. You assumed that Singapore will be on it’s knee, but you didn’t know they have Newwater as well the the Marina Barage and many new reservoirs from dammed rivers that will provide the extra water needed.
So Tun, please on harp on this issue anymore. Stop flogging a dead horse. You had 22 years of opportunity to put thing right. Stop blaming the leaders before and after you.
But if you are using this issue to divert attention from your recent Perkasa postings, then I can understand. But a man of your calibre should spend more time to improve racial harmony of this country. What this country need is nation buiding, blaming others for failures is really a waste of your talent.
Good morning Ayahanda Tun,
A. The comment By AHMAD BADRI on November 11, 2010 11:28 AM ‘forces’ me to re-think rationally why chauffer in Malaya named as Ahmad.
B. From his writing, he is the Ulta-man who makes all Malay political leaders and Rulers felt hurt and disappointed.
C. I guess, people like him cannot lead Malays in Malaysia because of his stupidity and selfishness, and he thinks that Malay is the only race that makes economical, political and socio contributes to and need to
Assalamualaikum Tun
Harga air mentah yang pernah dijual berdasarkan perjanjian lama kalau diteruskan…..budak sekolah pun tahu bahawa harga itu tidak relevan lagi.
Saya tidak percaya bahawa kita Malaysian tidak mempunyai seorang pun perunding yang pakar serta hebat dalam menentukan harga air. Cuma saya terfikir sejenak….sebagai rakyat bawahan…ADA TAK SESUATU YANG KAMI TAK TAHU SERTA TIDAK BOLEH TAHU disebalik rundingan untuk mencapai perjanjian yang pernah dibuat itu. Kalau ada….tak perlulah nak dibincang serta dipersoalkan.
Sekian, wassalam.
Why are we harping on the water agreement with Singapore when the Pahang River is discharging even more water into the South China Sea? How about collecting one sen per million gallons from China, or tell them we are going to rename it “Laut Melayu”.
Salam Tun & Felow bloggers,
Dari komen2 dalam blog ini, nyata ramai yg marah, kecewa, confused and wondering “how come”? Itulah jadinya kalau kita pilih pemimpin2 “half pass 6” – inilah yg dikatakan yang bodoh tak bolih diajar dan tak mahu belajar dan pandai yang tak bolih kita ikut, berlagak sombong pula. Melayu “Islam”, khatam quran tapi tak paham satu apa pun.
Nyata ini adalah salah pemimpin2 ketika masa itu. Satu kesalahan yang tak bolih dan tak patut dimaafkan. Dalam tahun 60’an dulu ketika saya selalu ulang alik Melaka – Singapura, saya sayu tengok rakyat Johor meletakkan tempayan2 atau penakung2 air di sepanjang jalan untuk mendapatkan air. Tetapi mereka memang penyokong kuat UMNO, terlalu sokong membuta hinggakan pernah jadi jenaka, “kalau letak lembu bertanding mewakili UMNO pun bolih menang” . Olih demikian, generasi sekarang dan akan datang perlu perhatin dan patut tahu apa yang patut dilakukan, tepuk dada tanya selera. Kuasa di tangan anda. Jangan salahkan UMNO tapi pemimpin2 yang tak amanah, gila kuasa dan kekayaan. Berfikir panjanglah kita dalam memilih pemimpin2 akan datang. Sekurang2nya mereka ini mempunyai ilmu dan pahaman agama yang kuat. Kelulusan tak menjadi perkara utama yang penting ialah akhlak yang baik dan sentiasa bertaqwah. Kalau dia tak pandai pun dalam satu2 perkara, tak jadi masalah. mereka akan sentiasa berdoa kepada Allah SWT memohon pentunjuk dan pertolongan Allah SWT.
Semuga Allah memberi perlindungan dan nekmat kepada orang2 yang beriman.
Dearest Tun,
In my humble opinion, instead of talking about “agreement”, “money” etc. all the time when dealing with our closest neighbour, I would suggest we propose to give them the water for free, but, in return, ask them what they could give us in return for that goodwill. Who knows, they may have something very valuable or meaningful install for us.
If both gov can think out of the box, they may win the hearts of their people during election times.
I would suggest we start by removing our boarders, just like the EU.
If we set a successful example, other countries in this region may follow suit. At that time, we can build a bridge all the way to Jakarta via Singapore.
Not everything must be measured in terms of money. Sometimes, the welfare of the people matters most.
Salam Tun,
Pada pendapat saya Kerajaan Malaysia melantik Pihak Ketiga untuk berunding dengan Kerajaan Singapura.
Perunding dari Kerajaan samada didapati tidak menyakin apabila berhadapan dengan Singapura atau kurang bijak. Contohnya yang terbaru tanah KTM, kiri-kanan kita dipihak yang kalah.
Assalam!
Tun yang di hormati.Teguran dan nasihat Tun kepada rakyat Malaysia akan terus sentiasa relevan.
Kesilapan masa lalu harus di jadikan iktibat dan panduan supaya tidak mengulangi kesilapan itu. Orang Malaysia memang generous, generous yang kita berikan kepada orang lain tidak akan membawa makna kepada kita jika generous yang kita berikan di ambil kesempatan oleh orang itu untuk mendapat keuntungan tanpa ucapan terima kasih,
Apa pun perjanjian yang di lakukan atau di lakukan dengan singapura terutamanya berkaitan dengan air mentah kena berhati-hati. Orang-orang Johore jangan lekah, perlulah memperingati kerajaan memerintah. Penglibatan Singapura dalam pembangunan bandar iskandar perlu jugalah berhati-hati,pembangunan bandar iskandar itu tidak akan ada makna kepada orang johore jika hartanah dan assets tetap yang di majukan menjadi milik orang luar terutamanya singapura.
Memang sesuatu yang sepatutnya tidak berlaku,jika jual air mentah 30sent bagi 1000* kepada melaka sedangkan hanya 3 sen bagi kuantiti yg sama kepada singapore.Dimana mereka letakkan pemikiran dan pertimbagan mereka yg terlibat dalam membuat perjanjian itu. Kenalah bertindak lebih bijak bila perjanjian baru di buat dengan singapura berkaitan penjualan air mentah ini nanti.
My Salam to Tun and Tun Dr Hasmah.
Someone said unqualified morons are running this country.
We don’t have morons running this country. We only have ungrateful citizens who glorify other leaders who are racist to the core.
In a neighboring country, if you are not ‘one of them’ you cannot be a fighter pilot, cannot be a judge, cannot be a pistol packing policeman and certainly never a military officer.
In Malaysia anyone can go up. We had a Chinese Chief Justice, two Chinese Ministers of Finance, a Punjabi Chief Justice and several non Malay ambassodors.
And we have an idiot who says morons are running this country.
Thank you Tun. I pray that you and Tun Dr Hasmah are both blessed with good health.
Simple. Malaysians negotiators are either corrupted or they are simply “dungus”. Lets see who would be the negotiators to represent Malaysia. Hopefully, they know all facts ready and what would be the implications on whatever they agree in the new terms of the agreement.
One more thing too share, learn from Penang State.
The state lead by DAP now.
The one of the most efficient and well manage Water Supply Board.
Annually making millions in Ringgit.
The rate is the cheapest of 15Kliter only 2.50Ringgit only.
While Kedah sells very cheap raw to Penang.
By the way, Penang water quality are one of the best in Malaysia.
Unlike Kedah treated water, which is full with yellowish sediments.
Why, we inherited a very well built and reliable treatment systems from our former Tuan British.
The current Tuan, were lesser capable in water treatment.
Salam YB Tun,
Seperti yang saya sarankan sebelum ini, setiap perjanjian yang melibatkan kedaulatan negara mestilah dizahirkan kepada rakyat dahulu berhubung terma-termanya sebelum perjanjian ditandatangani.
Dengar dahulu komen rakyat dan setelah dipersetujui ramai barulah pergi untuk tandatangan.
Tidak mustahil jika pegawai(atau menteri) yang pergi berunding mempunyai kepentingan dan tidak mustahil mereka ini tidak layak (incompetent) untuk berunding mengenai sesuatu perkara.
Jadi tolonglah, selidik apa-apa hal yang hendak ditandatangani. Sepatutnya menteri, pegawai atau pihak swasta yang terlibat sepatutnya dizahirkan identitinya beserta pengalaman dan kepakarannya.
Jangan jadi seperti Batu Putih yang kalah di Mahkamah Antarabangsa. Pasukan yang pergi macam tak buat penyelidikan yang menyeluruh atau sambil lewa sahaja. Ingat pasukan (team) terdiri daipada siapa.
Wasalam.
Malaysia on the whole have never been drought stricken except maybe in the northern states. It rain almost every week as met. station says “disana sini” AND yet there is no water in the tap. ” diesel in the river, water too polluted to be use, leacheate from dump sites etc etc” WHY?…..poor planning, no strategy, not enough budget allocation? in rain retention schemes. All streams and rivers in urban areas are concreted… flood mitigation konon2nya. Think….. where is the rain water going to go in Klang valley; straight into seas within the hours. The so call wet land near PutraJaya are already criss-crossed with roads and soon development will take over with no water to be retained.(sic)Who cares for the future generations as long as I make a fast buck. Almost all forest reserve in Selangor are gone. I am not surprise at the rate we are going we could start buying water from Thailand in the near future. Trans water pipe from Thailand to industrial states in Malaysia. Think of the commission from such mega projects.
Hi Tun,
You said ‘I am told that for reasons unknown, despite building its own treatment plant Johore is still buying treated water from Singapore’
What reasons UNKONOW, I only know the word CORRUPTION !!!!
and it’s during your tenant as PM.
Dear Sir & Fellow Che Det bloggers,
Please allow me to add a few more comments.
First, whoever had the idea that Singapore was “expelled” from Malaysia is dead wrong. Lee Kuan Yew, whom some people refer to as the cunning fox, had always wanted to get Singapore for himself. He and his partner David Marshall hated the Malays, and he knew how to make use of Tunku’s stupidity. After he got what he wanted, namely a country named Singapore, he said to Marshall, “Thank you David, this is a bloodless coup”.Yes, he cried, with tears in his eyes. He cried because he was so happy, and he got what he wanted, and he also made Tunku look like an idiot, giving away a Malay country just like that. Those days nobody dared to go against Tunku’s decision. Only Tun Dr. Ismail resigned from his political position. The others, like the late Khir Johari, went on dancing.
Then Lee went around to USA and Europe and spread the news that Singapore was a small tiny nation, surrounded by over a hundred million Malay Muslims, just like Israel. He needed “protection”. So he became Israel’s good friend in Southeast Asia. Yes he is smart indeed.
Then the last ten years he encouraged new immigrants, mainly Chinese, to become new Singapore citizens. Within the last ten years the population of Singapore increased by over 2.5 million. And of course they need more water. Now there are more than 5 million Singaporeans.
Now are we supposed to send more and more water to Singapore? What if they bring in 2 million more immigrants? Sell them a piece of Johor?
They can get water from any sources they want, recycled urine and sewage, desalination of seawater,whatever, it’s up to them. We Malaysian have no obligations to support their greed, gluttony, and live up to their ungrateful attitude.
Their strength and advantage is the Singapore dollar which they can use to bribe corrupted Malaysian politicians and officers. This matter, Mr Chua S.L., should be included into the new Malaysian history curriculum.
To Autoboy.
Sorry, my bad. but i am wondering why you still want to sell the water to singapore??? love to be bullied again? or lesson never learn?
on what benefits we can get by selling raw water to singapore? to be bullied again?
we know our weakness, to get bully by singapore. example pulau batu putih.. good one. remember that? how to mitigate not to get bully? avoid them. never learn that at school?
i wrote my first comments that way because of 2 cases
a) Pulau batu putih. nobody in johore really cares. so PM no 5 can sleep well at night.
b) Jambatan Bengkok. Johorean dont want it claimed by PM no 5. It seem true becoz even in so many blog i have join so far, johorean never bother about Jambatan bengkok.
based on the above still want to blame the Government? it didn’t make sense right.
well you know.
NOV 12
Salam buat Tun dan semua pembaca
Mohon laluan Tun…
Buat truthseeker, adakah tuan pasti PTD ada di dalam mesyuarat terbabit. Menurut pemahaman saya, bagi Negeri-negeri Melayu Bersekutu seperti Kedah, Kelantan, Terengganu dan Johor lantikan dibuat berdasarkan skim perkhidmatan negeri sendiri dan bukannya lantikan persekutuan seperti PTD. Sekiranya ini benar, tuduhan tuan adalah tidak berasas.
Terima kasih Tun….
HANAMARU
Assalamu’alaikum Tun,
bukankah sebab utama kesediaan Tunku membekalkan air kpd S’pura adalah kerana bangsa Melayu bumiputra S’pura? hari ini S’pura telah berubah seratus-peratus menjadi negera china,jadi perlu apakah lagi membekalkan apa-apa kpd mereka? lebih-lebih lagi jika dipandang dari sudut layanan Lee KY terhadap orang Melayu disana,dimana orang Melayu benar-benar terpinggir tanpa berani bersuara,sekalipun Perlembagaan S’pura yg menjamin kedudukkan mereka di pinda-pinda berulang-kali,sesuka-hati.sekolah-sekolah Melayu atau sekolah-sekolah yg ada nama Melayu,kebanyakkan nama jalan yg berunsur Melayu,nama-nama pulau,bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa kebangsaan atau apa-apa identiti yg berunsur Melayu dihapuskan secara senyap.orang Melayu menjadi begitu dayus menerima nasib mereka diperlakukan apa saja.padahal itu bangsa kita.dan itu pun sebahagian bumi kita juga.yg tidak berdaya kita bela.
kita lihat rumah pangsa S’pura yg tersergam indah,maka kita halalkan perobohan kampung-kampung Melayu.konon nya orang Melayu di ganti dgn kediaman yg lebih baik.tapi itu bukan lah hakikat sebenar.hakikat sebenar adalah kita hilang kawalan kehidupan peribadi kita,budaya kampung yg saling sayang-menyayang antara jiran seagama,sebangsa,se tanah-air.dan yg lebih penting lagi,Islam yg seharus nya exclusive,didesak menjadi inclusive.kedai-kedai makan melayu yg diletak sebelah menyebelah dgn kedai menjual babi dan makanan yg menjijikkan,yg suatu masa dulu kita loya dan hampir muntah dgn bau masakan nya,kini sudah menjadi suatu routine harian yg kita jalani dgn hanya menyumpah dalam hati.itu belum lagi anjing yg dibiar bebas berkeliaran.yg jika kita tegur,kita akan dianggap se-racist Tun Dr Mahathir.
dasar quota yg menetap peratusan bangsa bagi sesebuah kawasan-undi sebenar nya berfungsi untuk mengawal pergerakkan dan pemikiran orang Melayu.apabila sepuluh rumah Melayu di kelilingi oleh seratus rumah china,dihias dgn lima rumah india kemudian di kepung oleh sejuta pekerja asing yg juga dari china,itu jelas bertujuan untuk menakut-nakutkan orang Melayu.tapi kata LKY,kita patut jadi masyarakiat inclusive dan berkongsi ruang-kebersamaan{common-space}.kesan perang psychology begini amat mendalam kpd anak-anak Melayu.mereka buat kita rasa seolah-olah kita menumpang di HongKong.
atas dasar quota,undi Melayu dipecah-pecahkan hingga tiada satu pun kawasan-undi yg bermajoritikan orang Melayu.erti nya tiada satu pun pemimpin Melayu yg benar-benar dilantik oleh orang Melayu.padahal di S’pura,undi adalah wajib.jadi orang Melayu terpaksa mengundi,sekalipun tiada pemimpin yg hendak di undi.dan media-media S’pura dan sekutu-sekutu mereka di Malaysia dan di blog Tun juga menggambarkan LKY+PAP+China kelihatan begitu demokratik sekali,malah lebih demokratik dari Malaysia!!!! padahal kalau diberi pilihan,saya rasa orang Melayu tidak akan mahu bersusah payah beratur sekedar menunai formality memilih antara anjing dan babi.
itu sebahagian kejahatan yg di buat di S’pura.bagaimana pula dgn orang-orang asing di Malaysia dan Indonesia yg memandang LKY sebagai wira? Tun,bekalan air kpd S’pura hanyalah sebahagian kecil dari masalah sebenar yg jauh lebih besar.masalah kita adalah kerana kita takut,…takut untuk mengakui dan takut untuk mengumumkan… bahwa orang-orang asing ini adalah ancaman besar terhadap penakatan kita bangsa Melayu sebagai bangsa peribumi dan ketamakkan mereka adalah ancaman yg lebih besar terhadap keamanan seluruh rantau Nusantara Melayu.
harus di ingat,LKY berjaya menguasai S’pura jauh sebelum China bangkit sebagai kuasa besar ekonomi seperti sekarang ini.cuba bayangkan 10-20 tahun akan datang,dimana China telah benar-benar mantap sebagai kuasa tunggal menggantikan Amerika,apa pula tuntutan supramacist cina seperti Lim kit siang,s.tan,d.tan dan lain-lain? dan apa akan jadi pada anakcucu kita selanjutnya?
walaupun saya bersetuju dgn Tun untuk terus berbesar hati dgn menawarkan pembekalan air yg berterusan kpd S’pura,sebab saudara-mara saya ramai disana,tapi kita perlu terlebih dulu mengenal pasti bentuk hubungan yg kita mahu dgn seluruh bangsa asing yg berada di Nusantara ini.Sukarno,Suharto dan Habibie melaksanakan dasar yg betul dgn tidak memberikan kerakyatan kpd orang-orang asing ini.malangnya,Badawi versi Indonesia,AbdurRahman Wahid,ulama buta yg dangkal akal memberikan mereka kerakyatan dan hak mengundi lengkap dgn keizinan menyambut perayaan mereka.
seandai nya Indonesia boleh memutar kembali keputusan terdahulu untuk tidak memberi kerakyatan kpd orang-orang asing yg bukan peribumi,kita juga patut mengkaji kemungkinan menarik balik kerakyatan bangsa asing non-bumi yg kita beri kpd datuk-moyang pendatang-pendatang asing ini.jika kita boleh membatalkan apa yg kita sebut kontrak-sosial,90% masaalah kita akan selesai.Umno dan Pas boleh terus bermusuhan tanpa perlu bimbang kuman dan bakteria seperti Karpal Singh dan Lim kit siang menangguk di air keruh.dasar meritokrasi boleh di laksanakan dikalangan bumiputra.dan sekaligus memberi isyarat jelas kpd LKY bahwa legitimasi kerakyatan nya sudah sepatut nya berakhir.permainan sudah tamat.the game is over.
terimakasih Tun.
Salam TUN dan semua
soal perjanjian air dengan sinagapura saya rasa sudah tiba masanya kerajaan memikirkan untuk membuat dan merawat air untuk kegunaan sendiri. Air adalah perkara asas dalam kehidupan dan menjadi tanggungjawab mana mana kerajaan untuk menyediakan bekalan air bersih yang cukup. Justeru itu, lupakan sahaja singapura dan fikirlah kegunaan air untuk rakyat kita… forget it about new agreement with singapora..syukur perjanjian akan tamat(blessing in the sky) tidak payah lagi nak fikir soal singapura, biar la orang orang singapura minum kencing yang dirawat atau apa apa minuman untuk rakyat mereka.
Saya rasa perjanjian yang dibuat dizaman dahulu lebih merupaka perjanjian adik abang mungkin mengambil faktor singapura sebagai sebahagian daripada malaysia dan kita tidak pernah terfikir bahawa singapura begitu “kiasu”.
Sekarang selepas perjanjian tamat, maka urus la sendiri treatment plant untuk kegunaan air sendiri tidak kira berapa kos asalkan munasabah pada rakyat johor…
“LET FORGET IT ABOUT SUPPLYING WATER TO SINGAPURA”
Nota: Saya tidak bersetuju dengan pandangan A. Alshukor dalam soal air di Selangor.. pada saya soal air di selangor hanya gimik politik mainan parti pembangkang.. saya sudah ada diselangor selama lebih 20 tahun dan tidak apa isu yang betul betul bermasalah dengan soal air di selangor.. soal samada tan sri tu kaya atau tidak bukan persoalannya kalau Alshukor melihat dari sudut perniagaan. Kalau kita mempunyai sifat dengki kepada kekayaan orang lain sampai bila cerita sebegini tidak habis. MB Selangor sekarang Tan Sri Khalid pun pernah mendapat peluang untuk membeli guthrie semasa beliau berada dalam UMNO..dan beliau pun kaya raya.. dapat Tan Sri dizaman TUN jugak so, Kalau Al Shukor mahu jadi kaya, maka beliau kena la berniaga dan jangan berdengki dan salahkan orang lain.
Guys – the first thing to do before commenting is understanding the issue and facts.
The fact is – Singapore does not want to renew the water agreement ending 2011 and has already announced to the whole world.
So, for those who are still asking for better prices, like TDM, and many others – you are barking up the wrong tree.
Salamsejahtera Tun.
Tun apasal lah Malaysia jadi begini rupa setelah Tun melepaskan jawatan,
kecewa benar lah Tun,
walaupun nanti dalam pru akan datang Bn boleh menang semula,tetapi hala tuju Nya telah berubah.
Di harap komen komen Tun boleh membantu membetulkan hala tuju Negara kita semula.
Terima Kasih Tun
Salam..Tun & Rakyat Malaysia…
…kalau setakat untuk berunding dalam urusan bekalan air dengan Singapura itu rasanya bukanlah satu perkara yang susah sangat atau rumit, lebih-lebih lagi untuk kali yang kedua. Malaysia sebenarnya mempunyai ramai pakar perunding yang bijaksana. Jangan kita anggap yang Singapura itu terlalu bijak dalam segala-galanya. Mereka itu sebenarnya licik.
…kalau kita berunding untuk kepentingan negara, maka tidak semudah itu kita akan tertipu dengan menyetujui apa-apa terma yang akan merugikan negara. Bodoh sangatkah kita untuk terjatuh dalam lubang taik yang sama untuk kali yang ke 2, atau kita sebenarnya sengaja buat-buat bodoh demi untuk kepentingan dan keuntungan diri sendiri…fikir-fikirkanlah…
Asslmlkm Tun dan rakan bloggers
Semua orang tahu….tak payah sekolah tinggi tinggi pun faham bahawa perjanjian itu berat sebelah. Masalahnya…..ADA TAK SESUATU YANG KAMI RAKYAT BAWAHAN INI TAK TAHU DAN TAK BOLEH TAHU(SULIT)?
Kalau ada…tak perlu nak dibincangkan….balek balek sama juga nanti.
wslm
Malaysia ada duit untuk buat empangan Bakun, Warisan Merdeka, Jembatan Bengkok, beli kapal selam bukan sebiji tapi lebih dari sebuah. Apahalnya tidak mampu membina water treatment plant sendiri?
Jual aje air yang telah dirawat kepada Singapura. Apapun, mestilah menguntungkan negara. Jangan termasuk lagi lubang taik untuk kali kedua. Sebelum tandatangani perjanjian, baca betul-betul. Kalau tak faham, jangan tandatangan dulu, mintalah nasihat.
Asalamualaikum Tun yg di hormati…
Thnx 4 highlighting this matter again… if u do not continously brought up this matter then ppl r tend to forget… as what u said “Melayu mudah lupa” in this case the Govt of Johor yg mudah lupa… pembaziran wang cukai rakyat ke Singapura setiap tahun harus di halang. Ramai Johorean yg bijak pandai knows abt this… the prob is… they do not have power and proper channel to voice out their opinion.
If the Govt of Johor still following the Singaporean needs… i m not surprise if the rakyat change their State Govt in the nxt PRU13. The Johor Govt pls dont be soooo stupid, be a wise Govt and get your respect from the ppl again.
Dont let Malaysian pay for the water Singapura bought. Lebih baik Johor bagi air percuma pd Singapura and get free water back from Singapura…and dont forget beri free water back to rakyat is much cheaper the paying to Singapura.
Dear Tun Dr M,
I do agree with your stance on the raw water dealing between Johor (Malaysia) and Singapore. The rate of RM0.03 per 1,000 gallon supply of raw water from Johor is ridiculously low. Of course, they could cite the agreement between our forefathers and that of Singapore and would want to strictly follow that. Just because our past leaders have
Assalaamualaikum Tun.
Tun tak dapat kami bayangkan kalau lah Tun tidakmemimpin negara agak nya seluruh Malaysia menjadi milik Singapura.
Setelah Tun menjernihkan suasana semula setelah memecat Anwar dan krisis matawang negara telah menjadi pulih dan bertenaga.
Hanya apabila Pak Lah memimpin negara mula tak menentu dan kecundang.
Jembatan Bengkok di batalkan,perjanjian air tak tahu apa dah jadi.Tanah tergadai dan seterusnya.
Mungkin keadaan serupa juga bila datuk Najib memimpin.
Rakyat perlu ingat pilihan raya yang lepas BN kalah negitu teruk ada lah kerana rakyat ingin menukar pemimpin.Pak Lah mesti sedar.Bukan kerana rakyat menolak BN.
Datuk Najib pun perlu sedar kita perlu menerima nasihat nasihat Tun yang cukup dynamic dan teratur.Jangan lah kita setelah menjadi pemimpin melupakan manusia yang telah banyak berjasa kepada negara.Dahulu ramai yang menggunakan nama Tun supaya naik ke atas.Tetapi apabila naik ramai yang tak menghindarkan nasihat Tun.
Kita tahu Tun ada lah pemimpin yang arif tentang Singapura.Terima lah nasihat Tun dengan hati terbuka.
Terima kasih
Tun may Allah bless you for your guidance. Amiin
The problem is we have unqualified morons running this country.
While Singapore is the opposite.
Salam Tun;
Saya masih ingat ketika zaman Abdullah Badawi, kerajaan S
Dear Tun,
I think it would not be unreasonable to sell water to Singapore at 30 sen per 1,000 gallons if that is the price Johor is charging Melaka. Singapore can sell it back treated at whatever price it thinks is fair and if that is too expensive then it will start making economic sense for Johor to start treating its own water to fulfill all its needs.
Water is a limited commodity. If there will be challenges adequately supplying even the Klang Valley in the future from the other states then Singapore will have to be prepared to pay the market rate for it. This would have been the case even if Singapore remained part of Malaysia.
Johor will also need more water to develop the Iskandar region. Singapore should theoretically have no objections to that. Prosper thy neighbour after all.
As to why we tend to sign lopsided agreements there are rumours that a certain photo could be the cause. I do not believe this rumour at all though as even though Brunei is not purported to own similar photos we still signed apparently lopsided agreements as regards oil fields and Limbang with them.
Salam Tun and fellow bloggers,
1. I’m looking from other perspective when this water (or other issues later)agreement is concerned. These are about;
– singapore showing the world that they’re great, cos they will win in everything, thanx to their kiasu upbringing!
– singapore showing the weaknesses of the malays (from
malaysia) and the malays in singapore can reinforce their
own beliefs that malays are inferior, stupid, ineffective,
inefficient, etc. This is important for long term
measures. I guess that explains why not many non-malay
bloggers are disturbed by this issue – cos the4y have common
enemies, the malays. This is about sovereignity, why are
they keeping quiet? Cut my finger if DAP will take up this
issue, I mean defending our country.
– stupid PTD officers representing us in the meeting, for not
having bright ideas, but….
– their handlers, holding their leashes, ARE the political
masters! When Tun decided to stand firm, everybody follows,
but c Dollah tried to play smart but actually stupid,
everybody followed him too. So now, Najib will make the
call. Looking at what’s going on, I think Najib will please
singapore.
SO U SEE, THIS IS ABOUT THE MALAYS’ MARUAH, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT KEDAULATAN. IF NOT THE NON-MALAYS WILL JOIN IN THE CALL FOR 1MALAYSIA AGAINST BULLY SINGAPORE, RIGHT?
it’s the same, no balls now will mean no balls in future too, especially when our manja kids run the country, alahai….
On hindsight, at the height of the nation’s will during Tun’s supremacy we could have get on with the water processing plant in Johore in superb running condition to supply more than enough water for the southern region. Alas, we are now whimpish.
Strategically, it would of course overshadow the twin towers in terms of satisfaction to the rakyat, honing of local expertise, and lastly and not the least our bargaining power. I do not see the cards on our sleeves. The present and past leaderships are/were mired in trial and error priorities notwithstanding the flip-flopping.
We are a small country that talk big. Indah khabar dari rupa. Cakap tak serupa bikin. That is why we are being taught one shameful lesson after by smaller neighbours the likes of Brunei and Singapore. What do we expect from bigger countries? They just bully us.
If we really want to make money we can sell recycle water if they want it to make newater! The herring-bone pipeline arrangement could very well channel recycle water right from Perlis to inundate the whole of Singapore.
Talking about inundation, is the rising sea water level due to climate change shrinking the island! Aha, that is the reason they want sand!!
Kerajaan Malaysia tidak pernah tunduk kepada Singapura tetapi sekiranya perunding yang dipilih mempunyai niat atau udang di sebalik batu maka ia akan tampak berat sebelah.
Takkanlah sistem pembelajaran di Malaysia begitu mundur sehingga melahirkan kalangan bijak pandai yang tidak mampu berunding dengan Singapura. Mesti ada ketam di sebalik sampan.
Sama-samalah kita tunggu dan lihat.
to tuntuah;
use your words wisely. don’t said johorean not understand or stupid or &^#*%^&(). u r hurting us u know. Instead, said that “the government are not understand or are they just stupid?”. They are the one who make the decision, our voice are still not strong enough to reach their big ears.
btw your idea for not selling any water to singapore are just don’t have a basis. Johore should sell a water to them with a higher price. That was possible if they develop their own water treatment plant. Then from the profit, they can use it for the people and development of Johore.
1.Sekarang kita pendekan agreement term 5 tahun 1 kali
Renewal agreement.5 Tahun runding lagi.
2.Harga kalau kita naik 1 ringgit,
mereka naikan harga jual pada kita 1 ringgit,juga
datang dia samalah.Tak payah runding lagi.
Nak, TakNak, Taknak,Sua.
Jangan nak binggungkan dengan cerita lain.
3.Jangan risau,mereka pasti nak lagi.
Jika mereka tak nak,ok lah.Apa 3c bolih hasilkan kita.
NEWATER itu Hang Kebun saja.
Tujuannya untuk menyampaikan pada kita,mereka berupaya.
Mereka tak kan tunduk pada kita.
Newater adalah lebih kepada research mereka untuk teknology.
Dengan teknology ini mereka akan membekal pada negara NegaraTimur.
4.Seperti yg Menteri Benggap Johor,yg tak nak ambil
levy kereta mereka masuk Johor,takut tak ada pelancung.
Mereka akan masuk juga,mereka tak akan berpusing pusing di negara kecil mereka.
Setuju,rakyat mereka akan terjejas,tapi kita menyampaikan Kerajaan Singapura,bahawa jika mereka mengambil kesempatan atas kita,mengapa kita tidak bolih.
Penonggang motorcycle kita,belum makan pagi,
dah kena bayar levy $4 dolar.Ini bolih buat makan tengah hari.
5.Kita melawat mereka di buat macam banduan.
Ada kawan saya yg banyak kali dihalau pulang.
Rokok bawa 2 batang pun tak bolih,bolih kena saman,macam perompak.
Di Airport mereka,yg pelancung dari Jepun,US diberi kelonggaran.
Bolihkah Jepun,atau Amerika hisap rokok mahal Singapura,dengan rasa yg berlainan.Tak pernah saya dengar orang Jepun,Amerika kena saman fasal rokok.
Mereka datang sini macam rumah mereka,tak di halang,malah
kebanyakkan mereka berurusan disini,seharusnya ada professional work levy.
Saya hairan Kerajaan Melayu yg dinamakan Islam,
duit halal seperti hak mencukai tak nak ambil,
mereka lebih seronok makan duit rasuah,duit haram.
Hai Kassim,ampunkan mak,Kassim
Mak bersalah,ampunkan mak Kassim
Salam Tun,
I do not see the rationale in selling raw water to Singapore at the mentioned rate and thereafter buying back treated water at a premium price for Johore citizens to consume and bear a high tariff. Why can’t the Johore government set up their own water treatment plant for long term solution. Johore should not be dependant on Singapore for treated water forever. Is this such a big problem for Johore government to understand. The PM has always stress on innovation and yet we do not make wise decisions and actions. Wonder whats wrong with the system or the leaders?
Selangor pun wujudnya masalah air dengan Syabas …. tapi Tun diam diam tak berbunyi pun …
pasal isu air dengan Singapura, cerita sikit tapi tak cerita yang sebenarnya … mengelirukan saja orang …
Ayahanda Tun,
Why PKR, DAP and PAS
YAB Tun Dr. Mahathir
As usual, Your point is spot on.
As a Muslim, I love Malaysia and Love its accomplishments.
I just feel heartbroken when i read articles like this biased Bloomberg article below.
I pray that Muslims will excel and in all their undertakings.
I am confident that Malaysia’s Future is bright and sunny, and May God protect and bless this beautiful country, its leadership and its warm hospitable people.
God Bless Malaysia
God Bless you and Your Family Tun
Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-10/singapore-seen-overtaking-malaysia-45-years-after-split-left-lee-in-tears.html
Singapore Seen Overtaking Malaysia 45 Years After Lee’s Tears
By Shamim Adam – Nov 11, 2010 4:03 PM GMT+0800
Forty-five years after Singapore
Sekira Menteri mana,Pegawai mana,Siapa jua
yg tak tahu nak berunding sama Kerajaan Singapura,
dengan memberi harga 3c,serupa memberi percuma.
Saya cadangkan,kita suruh budak Tadika,atau pelajar Menengah
berunding dengan Kerajaan Singapura.
Jimat juga gaji Menteri,kasi budak budak 50ringgit pun dah besar,apa.Mesti budak budak ni setuju.
Tak apa pakaikan mereka kot dan tie.
Nak berunding dengan urusan luar mesti kemas.
Apa pandangan Tun
what we can do if the people of johor are so generous of giving up cheap water and land to the singaporean…
Dear Tun,
We can’t fault the Singapore party/negotiators, as it is their right to go in for what is best for their National Interest. And mind you getting cheap raw water is of utmost important to Singapore’s survival.
At the same time we must get the best mix of negotiators who will go for what is best for Malaysia and Johor. Here is a potential problem..reconciling the interest of both Malaysia as a nation and Johor. We need to work this out first and early to derive (sub-negotiations) at an aggreable common goal before the real negotiations.
Then we need the best legal minds to work as a team for the negotiations. Please DO NOT leave it to the politicans….to negotiate.
For Malaysia the BATNA (Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement) looks stronger than Singapore’s…we can live with out the agreement but for Singapore it can be a matter of life and death.
So guys..go for it.
Salam TUN && ALL,
Saya percaya, DS Najib && “team” harus 1000% bertanggungjawab utk segala keputusan yg dicapai dan mestilah yg paling menguntungkan rakyat dan negara. Tetapi yang meragukan ialah QUALITY “team” DS Najib yg ditakuti “menjejaskan” matlamat ini. Kepepimpinan terbaik adalah secara teladan yang baik. Jika rakyat disuruh rajin, berjimat cermat && menjauhi rasuah, Maka pimpinan negara perlulah menjadi contoh kepada rakyat. Jika diteliti banyak betul tuduhan/kritikan dibuat kepada anggota “pasukan” DS Najib daripada Rais, Zahid, Hishamudin, Nazri Aziz, Khairy, Nor Mohamed Yakcop dan seangkatan, tapi tiada feedback atau jaminan for improvement? apa comment DS Najib on BN Quality of Leadership?
Wajar diingatkan, Sokongan rakyat kepada BN untuk PRU 13th bukan bermakna rakyat menyokong 100% segala “kelemahan” BN leadership, tetapi lebih kepada “harapan” untuk melihat nasib rakyat lebih terbela daripada jadi mangsa politik jalanan….
“NEGARA KITA, TANGGUNGJAWAB BERSAMA”
Terima kasih.
EMMA~
*** sorry, lari topic lagie… =))
IT IS WITH EXAMPLES LIKE THESE, THAT MALAYSIA STANDS OUT LIKE A STUPID CHILDISH NEGOTIATOR. MALAYSIA NEEDS COMPETENT PEOPLE AND LEADERSHIP THAT CAN PROFESSIONALLY NEGOTIATE TERMS AND AGREEMENTS IN ITS BENEFIT – UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE NO SUCH PEOPLE. WE LOST PULAU BATU PUTEH BECAUSE OF A BAD TEAM LEAD BY A BAD GHANI PATIL. THEN WE HAD TO STOP ALL WORK AND NEGOTIATIONS ON THE STRAITS BRIDGE. THERE ARE TOO MANY EXAMPLES WHERE MALAYSIA IS SIMPLY NOT UP TO THE TASK OF DEFENDING ITS INTERESTS!
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6. Alm-ost 10 years ago Johor was allocated sufficient money to build its own treatment plant so as not to buy treated water from Singapore. I am told that for reasons unknown, despite building its own treatment plant Johore is still buying treated water from Singapore.
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Tun sebagai PM sendiri pun tak tau (atau tak diberitahu dgn jelas) kenapa Johor masih beli air dari S’pore.
Kalau kerajaan negeri sendiri tak transparent dgn kerajaan pusat (PM sendiri tak tau), sesama BN pulak tu, tak payah la laung2kan slogan KETELUSAN.
Saya harap lepas ni Tun jangan lagi buat statement bunyi mcm salahkan orang lain. Bagilah cerita yg menjawab isu, merungkai masalah. Itu yg saya expect dari Tun sebagai orang yg saya pandang tinggi.
Dear Sir, and fellow Che Det bloggers,
The Singapore government has stated that it will not renew the 1961 agreement which expires in 2011. So what more is there to negotiate about? If Johor has excess raw water and need the money, then Melaka, Negeri 9 and even Selangor also need to buy water. You can always use the PLUS highway to build the pipeline to transfer the water.
The only one thing to negotiate about is the Johor River Water Agreement, signed on 29th September 1962 between the Singapore City Council and the Johor State Government, valid for 99 years up till 2061. We have to wait about 50 years more to negotiate on that, which has to be done by our children or grandchildren, because by them all of us Che Det bloggers will be dead.
The best thing is to teach our children and grandchildren the following:
1. Never trust the Singaporeans.
2. Don
Salam minta lalu Tun M,
Kalau nak menang besar pilihanraya akan datang….jangan bagi muka pada Singapura, pada tuntutan Chua Soi Lek dan seumpamanya lah…
Tak glamour takpa. Tapi semua orang hormat walau ada yang benci….tengok lah contohterbaik iaitu Tun M sendiri.
Yang penting Melayu UMNO kuat…ambil hatibangsa lain tak guna…depa sokong bilakitakuat kerana nak menumpang senang dan akan AMBIL KESEMPATAN bila lemah….tak reti-retilagi ka Najib and the Gang?????
Saya suka ucapan Muhiyuddin di Perhimpunan UMNO tempohari.
Apa pun kalau nak teruskan bersopan-santun dan tak apa attitude serta ambil hati orang lain maka SILA BAGI FREE AIR DARI MALAYSIA BARULAH DIKATAKAN JIRAN YANG BAIK BUDI….ha…nanti Lee Kuan Yew puji….baru syok??? Lepasni bagi Pulau Pinang pulak….yang sekarang pun dah di transformed jadi mini Singapore…..tak pa…tak pa…
asalamualaikum
Apa nak buat nasi dah jadi bubur……
Perkara yang sangat penting adalah jangan mengulangi kesilapan bodoh yang telah di buat. Maaf kerana menggunakan ‘bodoh’
Pada saya tak kiralah siapa yang kaya didalam urusan ini, tetapi perjanjian baru nanti (if any) biarlah yang memberikan faedah positif pada rakyaat malaysia khasnya rakyat johor.
Cuba fikirkan secara positif, negara jiran kita tu tiada ‘raw water’pon yang mencukupi untuk membangunkan negara bangsa menjadi maju, mereka terpaksa beli ‘raw water’ dari kita. Johor ada ‘raw water’ tapi nampaknya susah sangat nak membangunkanNya setaraf mereka. Mengapa agaknya…? UMNO saya rasa dah sejak saya lahir tahun 1969 memerintah Johor…. if PKR memerintah boleh ok ker? tu pon tak tau… saya rasa bukan masalah parti politik di sini. Tetapi masalah pemimpin dalam menguruskan negara/negeri…Tun mengapa agaknya…
wasalam
wasalam
YAB Tun,
Setelah meneliti komentar pembaca, saya ingin membuat ulasan tambahan seperti berikut:
Baguslah kalau Singapora tidak mahu menyambung perjanjian yang akan tamat pada 2011 dan seterusnya selaras dengan objektif untuk berdikari dalam bekalan keperluan air negaranya pada 2061. Semoga Malaysia tidak terperangkap sekiranya ini merupakan satu lagi
Salam Tun,
Why on earth should Johor buy water from Singapore AT ALL ?
( Tepuk dahi, terduduk atas kerusi, termenung kelangit )
Salam Tun
Singapore-Malaysia water agreements
Singapore and Malaysia have signed four agreements to regulate the supply of water from Malaysia to Singapore. The first – signed in 1927 – is no longer in force. Water imported from Malaysia under the other three agreements – signed in 1961,1962 and 1990 – now meets about half of Singapore’s water demand. However, this will be reduced after the 1961 pact expires in 2011. The government has also stated that Singapore can be self-sufficient in water by the time the 1962 and 1990 agreements expire in 2061.
1927 Agreement
This was signed on 5 December 1927 between the municipal commissioners of the town of Singapore and Sultan Ibrahim of the state and territories of Johor – is no longer in force.
1961 Agreement
This was called the Tebrau and Scudai Rivers Water Agreement. It was signed on 1 September 1961 between the city council of the state of Singapore (the predecessor of the Public Utilities Board or PUB) and the government of the state of Johor. By then, Singapore was a self-governing state within the British empire while Malaya was already an independent nation. The 1927 agreement was declared void in this document.
The agreement gave Singapore the full and exclusive right to draw off all the water within the designated land at Gunong Pulai, Sungei Tebrau and Sungei Scudai for a period of 50 years up till 2011. Singapore was to pay an annual rent of $5 per acre for the land and a charge of 3 cents for every 1,000 gallons of water. Singapore also agreed to provide Johor with a daily supply of treated water up to 12% of the raw water it drew, subject to a minimum of four million gallons (18,184m3), and at a price of 50 cents per 1,000 gallons.
1990 Agreement
This was signed on 24 November 1990 between PUB and the Johor state government. It was supplementary to the 1962 pact and would also expire in 2061. A separate document was signed on the same day by the governments of Malaysia and Singapore to guarantee adherence to the agreement.
Beyond 2061
The Singapore government has stated that it will not renew the 1961 agreement which expires in 2011. Attempts to reach a new deal with Malaysia to secure water supply for Singapore beyond 2061 have not borne fruit despite years of tedious negotiations. To reduce Singapore’s dependence on imported water, the government has taken steps to increase the size of the local water catchment area and to build up the supply from non-conventional sources, namely NEWater (reclaimed water) and desalinated water. With the various water projects progressing well, government officials have assured Singaporeans that the country can be self-reliant in water by 2061 if it needs to be.
Wassalam
Just dont sell any water to Singapore. period.
sell it to melaka at a lower price say 10cents in which johor will make 100% profit.
is that so hard for johorean to understand or they just stupid?
Kerajaan Johor dikuasai BN, kenapa Tun tak pastikan MB ikut kehendak persekutuan sewaktu memberikan peruntukan untuk membangunkan “treatment plant” sendiri. Di mana “exit clause’ Tun pada waktu itu? Kesilapan dulu menyebabkan rakyat Johor rugi. Jika perjanjian semula air 2011 tidak menguntungkan rakyat Johor, maka setujukah Tun agar BN dihukum pada PRU13 nanti?
Selamat Pagi and Sejahthera Tun,
According to Tun simulation, if Malaysia increased 100% of the selling price per gallon raw water to 6 sen and Singapore increased 100% of its selling price per gallon treatment water to 100 sen, then the below loss to Malaysia will happen:
1) Malaysia will gain (100% x 3 =) 3 sen per every gallon raw water sell.
2) Singapore will gain (12% x 50 =) 6 sen per every equivalent water purchased from Malaysia.
Therefore, if Malaysia sell 1 billion gallon raw water in a year, Malaysia will get additional RM30,000,000 while Singapore will gain additional 60,000,000 from its treatment water sell back to Malaysia. The net loss to Malaysia will be RM30,000,000. But if the total water involve is 10 billion, then the net estimated loss will be RM300,000,000. So the total amount of loss will depend on how much water involve.
Therefore, if Malaysia decided to increase 3 sen to 6 sen per every gallon raw water sell, then Malaysia should not buy back the treatment water that cause more than 75 sen. Any purchase price more than 75 sen per gallon treatment water will cause a net loss to Malaysia. Below example prove this understanding:
1) Malaysia will gain (100% x 3 =) 3 sen per every gallon raw water sell.
2) Singapore will gain (12% x 25 =) 3 sen per every equivalent water purchased from Malaysia.
It seems like Tun is making an assumption that
Tun begitulah sikap Melayu,
Dalam segala hal kita lebih senang dengan orang lain dari saudara dan sahabat sendiri. Kalau dengan orang lain kita begitu bermurah hati, takut, terlalu bertimbang rasa dan akhir-akhir ini terlalu mengalah. Manakala sesama sendiri kita terlalu ketat, tegas, keras dan berbagai lagi. Contoh yang Tun berkan amat jelas. Dengan Singapura kita jual air mentah 6sen seribu gelen. Dengan sahabat dan jiran di Melaka kita jual 30sen seribu gelen. Maka tidak hairanlah Singapura menjadi negara kaya dan maju. Yang memberi peluang mereka kaya dan maju ialah pemimpin yang berkuasa di Malaysia sendiri, bukan rakyat biasa.
Tun, kita telah menyerahkan tanah milik KTM di Tanjung Pagar, di Singapura kepada Singapura, yang akan dibangunkan bersama dan akhirnya sudah pasti penjualannya akan dimonopoli dan beli oleh syarikat dari Singapura. Di Melaka kawasan padang Pahlawan, Bandar Hilir, lokasi kebanggaan rakyat Malaysia dan orang Melaka kerana disitulah tempat Tengku Abdul Rahman mengistiharkan kemerdekaan tanah Melayu dan kini Malaysia. Kawasan ini sekarang dimiliki oleh syarikat Singapura dan diuruskan oleh syarikat Singapura, orang Melayu hanya menumpang di gerai-gerai pinggiran dalam komplek berkenaan. Saya difahamkan orang Melayu tidak boleh menjual telekung disitu walaupun berbagai pakaian lain boleh dijual.
Kini.. Saya juga difahamkan hampir separuh dari Kawasan Pembanguna Wilayah Sri Iskandar di Johor dimonopoli oleh syarikat-syarikat dari Singapura. Saya berharap maklumat ini tidak benar. Kalau benar maka kalau kita masuk Sri Iskandar nanti janganlah terperanjat kalau kita terpaksa berurusan dengan orang Singapura dan dikawal securitinya oleh orang Nepal.
Jadi betullah penjajahan sekarang bukan dengan tentera tetapi dengan wang. Sebenarnya bukanlah orang Melayu yang suka dijajah tetapi pemimpin-pemimpin Melayu yang merelakan dirinya dan negara dijajah. Yang penting mereka ingin melihat negeri pimpinannya menjadi negeri maju. Semangat yang berkobar-kobar membela bangsa dan dan cintakan negara hanya retorik di PWTC setiap kali perhimpunan……. berlangsung.
Jadi, kepada yang diamanahkan dengan kuasa kembalilah ke jalan yang lurus dan benar.
MAZAI
Assalam mualaikum
Dear Tun,
As you mentioned, this time around the Federal as well as the State Governments shoud not be generous nor overly helpful to our southern neigbor. Not only regarding water but anything and everything Msians owned should be negotiate on a win-win basis.
Correct me if i am wrong..I was tild the KTMB lands in Singapore has a 999 years lease and this was exchange for some parcels of land in the Marina Bay area which only has a 99 year lease !! If this is true, then our Government should rescind the agrrement to hand the KTMB land back to the Spore Government.
Dear Tun,
1. You say that Singapore supplies Malaysians with treated water at the price of 50 sen per 1000 gallons.
2. This equates to 13.20sen per cubic meter. (1,000 Gallons = 3.78541178 Cubic Meters)
See http://www.asknumbers.com/gallon-to-cubic-meter.aspx
3. In Selangor, water treatment operators sell treated water to Syabas from the FREE water they get from Sungai Selangor at RM 1.30 per cubic meter.
See http://sos-selangor.org/?page_id=2
4. This is 10x the price that Singapore sells treated water to Malaysians.
5. Syabas then sells this water to consumers and industry at up to RM 2.00 per cubic meter.
See http://www.syabas.com.my/mainservice.php?pg_post=3&pg_id=4&menu_id2=5
6. These water treatment concessions were given when your Barisan Nasional was in charge of the State of Selangor. I believe that you must have been aware of these costs while you were Prime Minister.
7. I say that if Singapore can supply Malaysia with treated water at 1/10th the price that some of these water treatment operators do, we should continue to buy from this foreign country them at that price as we are clearly getting a bargain compared to the others.
8. I hope see the wisdon of this economic logic.
Kamali Ibrahim
Salam Tun.
At last we can now look forward and anticipate good/better deals to all negotiations with other countries, especially on the water issue with Singapura.
Gone were the days of the incompetent & ever-lying flip-flop PM5 (and soon the s.i.l. will follow suit!), who loves his family over anything else and keep forgetting that he’s the PM of Malaysia, thus provide opportunity to the sil to act as PM!
Remember Johoreans, Pak Dol told (lied to?) the nation that majority of you didn’t want the crooked bridge (because he wanted the term ‘crook’ only be referred to some kids at 4th floor led by his s.i.l.?). You’ve done well to deny Pak Dol from selling your sand to Singapura, causing them to initiate corrupt methods to smuggle sand instead.
This is payback time Johore. Ensure that all the previous years deprived rates be regained/incorporated in the new agreement.
what’s the point of complaining that Singapore is selling Malaysians treated water at a higher price?
Someone just something… alrite..
this matter has been lingering for so many years… i doubt resolving this issue will every going to happen anytime in the future..
For your reading pleasure.
Excerpt from infopedia -National Library Board Singapore
http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_1533_2009-06-23.html
Beyond 2061
The Singapore government has stated that it will not renew the 1961 agreement which expires in 2011. Attempts to reach a new deal with Malaysia to secure water supply for Singapore beyond 2061 have not borne fruit despite years of tedious negotiations. To reduce Singapore’s dependence on imported water, the government has taken steps to increase the size of the local water catchment area and to build up the supply from non-conventional sources, namely NEWater (reclaimed water) and desalinated water. With the various water projects progressing well, government officials have assured Singaporeans that the country can be self-reliant in water by 2061 if it needs to be.
Salam Tun,
Semoga usaha anda diberi petunjuk dan diberkati oleh Nya.
I think this is the right time to practice transparency. Let’s discuss what Singapore term and condition openly. I’m very sure there are many brilliant Malaysians who can offer very good idea on how we can counter or negotiate better term with Singapore.
Bottom line, i don’t think it is unlawful or anything wrong to get a fair deal. I also sincerely hope that we don’t fall into the old trap like ‘Big country like Malaysia has always bully small country like Singapore’.
salam tun,
rase lega perjanjian tu akan di revise balik…. ingatkan perjanjian tu perjanjian ‘selagi ada bulan dan bintang’….:)
diharapkan negotiator kita bijak dalam membincangkan isu ini dengan singapore dan tidak lagi berat sebelah…
Rancangan Akademi AlQuran dan Imam Muda Agenda Yahudi dan Freemason
Assalam alaikum
YABhg Tun & Chedet Fellows
Malaysia adalah sebuah negara yang berdaulat. Dan tidak boleh diperbudak oleh mana-mana negara sekali pun walaupun negara itu memiliki kuasa VETO sekalipun!
Sebelum Tun berundur dari kerajaan, Tun telah berjaya membuat rundingan secara bermaruah dengan Singapura – tentang persetujuan Singapura untuk membenarkan Malaysia membina jambatan. Setahu saya, amat sukar untuk berunding dengan Singapura walaupun perkara yang dirunding itu adalah hak kedaulatan Malaysia.
Dato’ Seri Najib memerlukan “political will” untuk berunding dengan Singapura pada masa hadapan. Termasuklah dalam menentukan harga air yang dibeli oleh Singapura dan air yang dirawat yang dibeli oleh Malaysia. Air, Udara, Tanah – adalah hak kedaulatan Malaysia, rakyat terutamanya. Menyerahkan salah satu daripadanya bermakna kita menyerahkan atau “menjual” nilai kedaulatan kita.
Tanpa Singapura pun KITA tidak papa kedana. Siapa Singapura hendak menentukan itu ini untuk kita?
Melaka dan Johor, berdasarkan sejarah silam, mempunyai hubungan yang rapat. Tetapi mungkin tidak di hari ini. Melaka tidaklah sekaya Singapura. Menjual air dengan harga yang tidak munasabah kepada saudara sebangsa sendiri (Melaka) adalah tidak patut. Johor mesti berasa malu bukannya berasa bangga.
Singapura ada Amerika dan Israel. Amerika dan Israel mempunyai teknologi yang tinggi lagi canggih. Nah…Singapura boleh memanfaatkan teknologi yang ada pada Amerika dan Israel menapis air laut untuk mendapatkan air tawar. Jika demikian, wang saku Singapura boleh dijimatkan. Bukankah Amerika dan Israel sahabat karib Singapura,di masa susah dan senang? Sampai bila Singapura mahu bergantung dengan Malaysia?
Jangan-jangan, kerana Amerika dan Israel, Singapura BESAR KEPALA dalam menentukan harga jual beli air dengan Malaysia. Jika demikian, Malaysia perlu waspadah. Tidak mustahil sesebuah negara boleh dijajah melalui urusniaga air. Zaman millenium!
Wassalam
Adieu…
Kerajaan Malaysia seolah tunduk pada Kerajaan Singapura.
Seolah dah tak percayakan Tuhan.
Pedra hak Malaysia lawan kalah.
Tanjung Pagar yg tak perlu lawan pun mengalah.
Semacam Kerajaan Melayu dah tak ada otak.
Kalau bergini lanjutnya kasikan saja,Malaysia pada Kerajaan Singapura.Anak Bini kita pun kasi orang luar pelihara.
Serupa bergini anging di tepi jalan lebih mulia,masih bolih bergonggong.
Saya amat kecewa dengan pemimpin melayu.
Nak jadi pemimpin bukan untuk berlagak,
Mesti bertanggung jawab atas setiap keputusan kedepan.
Bukan nak potong riben sana sini.
Aci Bunting pun bolih potong riben.
Saya berharap benar Kerajaan Melayu mesti bertegas,
jangan dengar cadangan mereka,mereka banyak tipu helah.
Perunding Kerjaan mesti ada visi kedepan.
Jangan layan alasan mereka.
Mereka tak bolih buat apa,jika kita tak setuju.
Nak ke TakNak.Itu jawapan nya.
Samdol Kerjaan Malaysia yg bersekutu dengan mereka,
jangan kamu fikir mereka baik sama kamu tak ada sebab,
mereka bantu kamu untuk keperluan mereka,bukan untuk kamu.
lebaikudin, lebaikudin… if Malaysia were to build its own water treatment plant in Johor, can you imagine what the cost would be like. If the actual cost is RM5 billion, it would be inflated to possibly RM20 billion so that it can comfortably line the pockets of our politicians and “selected” businessmen. Then after a few years, the Government would have to bail it out a it is running at a loss. Then the price of water for Johoreans would skyrocket.
As for Petronas exporting Malaysian oil, I believe its because Malaysia produces sweet crude which sells for a premium. This results in a profit for Petronas when it sells sweet crude and buys sour crude. Besides, different plants are constructed to refine different types of crude oil.
If government is so hopeless at figuring out simple challenges, how then can we ever achieve Tun Dr. Mahathir’s Vision 2020 of sailing into the ocean of a developed nation? In fact, many good policies are been undone or left to rot. Take MDec for example. It is no more but a property lot.
There are many IT geniuses i know that are not given any chance to see the light of day to serve their country, and business there seems to be attracted by who can throw in a better property deal.
For your reading pleasure
http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_1533_2009-06-23.html
Shaf
You yourself should know the reason why Johor isn’t treating your own water. It cost 50 sens to buy treated water from Singapore and cost three times more to treat your own water.
Your water department when selling treated water from Singapore will make a lot more money then treating your own water isn’t it?
I think Malaysian need fair agreement.
Why can’t Malaysia process all the raw water and sell only treated water to Singapore. I think Malaysia boleh. After all, water originated from Malaysia.
In addition, water price should not be made fixed but varied based on a formula that takes into account the average price of water sold to the end consumer in Malaysia (or the three big cities that is Johor, Selangor and Penang). Water price should be reviewed every year. With this agreement, if water price goes down Malaysian and Singaporean benefits it and when water price goes up, the cost is shared equally by Malaysian and Singaporean.. No one takes advantage of the other, no one can be accused lame and it is a win-win situation..
Malaysia should control the raw material so that it is fair between us and them and this will be a win-win situation lah
Perhaps, Malaysia will be accused trying to take over the job of Public Utility of Singapore, but the fact is that currently PUB is taking over the job of Syarikat Bekalan Air Johor by using the water which originated from Johor.
Tun, With due respect you should not engaged in misleading your own people. The water agreement will lapse next year and all the equipment will be handed over to Johore in working order, unless there is a new agreement.
The total cost of processed water is MR2.40. So if sold at 50 sen, it means Singapore subsidises to the tune of MR1.90 per 1000 gallons. You should educate your people to think correctly so that there is no unnecessary misgivings.
Of course at subsidised rate Johore would want to buy as much as possible. How about allowing Singapore to buy treated water at 50sen per 1000 gallons from Johore?
Also the suggestion that if raw water is doubled to 6 sen then sale price would double to RM1.00. In that case Teh Tarik will double too!
Salam Tun & fellow bloggers,
To eanisazman on November 10, 2010,
I COULD NOT EXPRESS ANY BETTER. Ameen
SALAM BUAT TUN BERDUA MOGA DIRAHMATI ALLAH S.W.T.
1) KEMAHUAN RIMBA EMAS LEBIH KURANG SAMA DENGAN KEHENDAK TUN SUPAYA KERAJAAN JOHOR TIDAK RUGI SEPERTI PERJANJIAN DAHULU.CUMA DITAKUTKAN PENGHARAPAN TUN DALAM BENTUK PENERANGAN AKAN DISALAH TAFSIR ATAU TERSILAP LAGI MELETAK ANGKA YANG BERTEPATAN.
2) SEBAB BAGI RIMBA EMAS AIR TIDAK SEPERTI BARANGAN CIPTAAN MANUSIA YANG LAIN , KITA TAHU PUNCA AIR DATANGNYA DARI SUNGAI-SUNGAI YANG MENGALIR DARI BUKIT BUKAU YANG DITIMPA HUJAN YANG KITA SEMUA TAHU PROSESNYA.
3) AIR DARI INILAH YANG MUDAH KITA MILIKI DALAM BENTUK YANG BANYAK SEHINGGA KITA TAKUNGKAN DALAM DAM-DAM YANG KITA BINA.JADI SEPAROH PROSES TELAH DIANUGERAHKAN OLEH ALAM CIPTAAN ALLAH S.W.T. DALAM BENTUK PERCUMA INILAH SEPATUTNYA RASA SYUKUR KITA SEHINGGA PATUT ADA RASA RAHMAH DALAM DIRI KITA MENJAGANYA.
4) PERCUMA NIKMAT ALLAH S.W.T UNTUK DINIKMATI MANUSIA PERLUKAN KUAT KUASA AGAR TIDAK ADA UNSUR-UNSUR PEROSAK.DISEBABKAN UNTUK PEMBANGUNAN MAKA AIR YANG TERCEMAR TERPAKSA DIRAWAT. ADAKAH KENAIKAN KOS RAWATAN PATUT DITANGGUNG SEPENUHNYA PENGGUNA YANG SENTIASA MEMBAYAR BUKAN MENDAPATKANNYA PERCUMA MENGIKUT KEHENDAK ALLAH S.W.T.?
5) AIR BEGITU JUGA BAHAN MAKANAN YANG ADA HUBUNG KAIT OLEH KEJADIAN ALAM MILIK ALLAH S.W.T PATUT KITA SEMUA LINDUNGI DARI KERAKUSAN MANUSIA.BAYANGKAN KALAU BERLAKU KEMARAU PANJANG PEMAKAN HASIL DUIT AIR PASTI MERASAI SEBAGAIMANA KESENSARAAN ORANG YANG KEPUTUSAN WANG UNTUK MEMBELI AIR INI.
6) KESALAHAN YANG LAMA MEMERLUKAN ORANG YANG BARU UNTUK MERINTIS PERJANJIAN (KONTRAK) YANG SEHARUSNYA TERKECUALI DARI MEMAKAN HASIL WANG AIR DAN JUGA DIDALAMNYA ADA GOLONGAN YANG MENGIRA ATAU BUAT PENGIRAAN MELEBIHKAN KEUNTUNGAN JANGKA PANJANG UNTUK SYARIKAT PENGENDALI AIR DAN KEUNTUNGAN RAKYAT YANG RAMAI.
7) LOGIKNYA KEUNTUNGAN SUDAH PUN DAPAT SEBAB SEMUA MANUSIA YANG HIDUP PERLUKAN AIR. CUMA MEREKA YANG SUKA MENAIKKAN HARGA AIR BILA RUGI BAGAIKAN KURANG IDEA SERTA BERSIFAT TUAN KEPADA SYARIKAT DARI
MEMIKIRKAN RAKYAT JUGA BOLEH DIKATAKAN SEORANG YANG GILAKAN KEKAYAAN PADA MASA YANG SINGKAT.ORANG YANG BEGINI HARUSLAH KITA HINDARI DARI MEMEGANG KUASA ATAS PENJUALAN AIR YANG ASALNYA PERCUMA UNTUK KEGUNAAN MANUSIA DI DUNIA INI.
8) CUBA KITA TANYA SEMUA PERSOALAN SEPERTI, ADAKAH PIHAK SINGAPURA AKAN MEMBELI JIKA KITA MENAIKKAN HARGA LEBIH DARI 12 SEN MENGIKUT KEMAHUAN MEREKA? KALAU TIDAK KITA BOLEH PROSES SENDIRI. ADAKAH KITA AKAN RUGI KALAU KITA KEKALKAN 3 SEN? BOLEH KEUNTUNGAN JANGKA PANJANG, LAGI PUN KALAU KITA BESARKAN KILANG PEMEROSESAN, RAKYAT JOHOR ADA PELUANG KERJA.SOALAN -SOALAN BEGINI PERLU KITA TANYA DAN BINCANG DAN SEMESTINYA RESOLUSINYA UNTUK KEPENTINGAN RAKYAT JOHOR YANG AKAN MENGUNTUNGKAN NEGARA KITA MALAYSIA.
9) SEELOKNYA HARGA IKUT KEHENDAK RAKYAT PENGGUNA, SEMENTARA PENYELENGGARA AIR SERTA KAUM KOPERAT LEBIH KEPADA TEKNIKAL MENCARI JALAN CIPTAAN BARU YANG DAPAT MENGURANGKAN KOS PEMPROSESAN KEPADA AIR BERSIH.JANGAN MARAH YA YANG SUKA NAIKKAN HARGA TU BOLEHLAH KERJA BIDANG LAIN SEBAB MANUSIA MEMERLUKAN AIR UNTUK HIDUP.
WALLAHU’ALAM
I smell rotten fish miles away..
YAB Tun,
MasyaAllah, satu lagi ulasan yang tepat dan
Looks like Johore can let the water flow into the Terbrau river…
S’pore will not renew one water agreement with M’sia which expires next year.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1052683/1/.html
No need to renew water deal
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_519620.html
A.Alshukor,
u ni ckp kosong la…fikir secare logik bkn hentam dngan emosi…
I thought Singapore has already announced that they will not renew this agreement.
Inilah misi Singapore baru-baru ini kelihatan sangat akrab dengan Najib, dan LKY melawat sambil bekerja di KL, Penang & mengadap Tok Guru di Kelantan. Bagus sungguh tak ubah macam Ronny Liu menjalankan kegiatannya di Selangor. Rupanya banyak dapat sokongan & simpati dari rakyat seperti A.Alshukor yang sudah menunjukkan simpati pada Singapore. Sehinggakan merasakan penting isu air di Selangor lebih penting dari isu air antara Singapore – Malaysia.
Kalau kerajaan Selangor yang ada dapat ambil balik hak air untuk Selangor, so what? Harga air akan turun dan rakyat Selangor akan untung? Rakyat Selangor macam saya tak minta pun ini semua hanya orang terhegeh2 dari luar Selangor yang mahukan pengambilan semula untuk kepentingan politik & keuntungan mereka sendiri.
Tak payah nak alih isu air Singapura ke air Selangor,tak sama langsung kerana isu air Singapore adalah isu nasional dan kedaulatan negara yang anda adalah warganegara.
Tun
It seems this water saga will see never end of it even though the first agreement is expected to lapse by next year. You were not present when the water agreement was drafted & casted in stone then and yet, you continue to cry foul in hope to build up emotion sentiments in your own country. SIN is now the world leader in the treatment of re-cycled water and it is all thanks to you during your tenure as 4th PM of Malaysia for ‘threatening’ to shut off the pipeline when some events in SIN displeased you but you know jolly well the water-tight clauses in the agreement will never win you the case if contested in the world court. SIN has moved streets ahead in transforming itself into a world city instead of engaging in trivial argument over water agreement especially with you. It is probably Malaysia’s good fortune that the present administration has the good present of mind to focus on urgent issues, i.e. to put Malaysia in the world map.
Tun,
I am surprised that you are still harping on this issue which you were unable to resolve during your tenure as PM.
Anyway, it is water under the bridge. You did your readers a dis-service by talking about negotiating a new agreement with Singapore when one of the agreements expires next year.
I understand that the other side has already indicated that they not only will let that agreement lapse, but will also hand over to us, free-of-charge, and in good working order, the entire water treatment facility when the agreement ends. And you persist in calling them “unfriendly”?
It just shows that when one is continuously being threatened, one will find ways and means to survive. In this case, your own confrontational conduct has allowed Singapore not only to soon become self sufficient in water, but also a universal model in water-treatment which even the Arab countries are learning from.
Ayahanda Tun,
1. First, our ministry who deal with Malaysia Permanent Water Agreement must get approval and fair unit price bidding from Johore state before they renew the agreement with Singapore Government.
2. Today, I believe our Federal government and Singapore government must deal this renewal agreement with accountability and transparency.
3. Both governments must come out with the best deal that is comfortable to Federal Malaysia, Johore and Singapore for at least another 30 to 50 years from today.
4. Point:
Salam Tun and Bloggers,
Agree with you 100%. For crying out loud, this unfair agreement and all of the other sour deals that we’ve committed to has to end. Malaysian have been facing moral issues over incompetency of the previous international negotiators to negotiate a win situation to Malaysia. Often we are on the losing side.
We lost our soil, our oil blocks, cannot build a bridge, have to surrender our sand, our air space, cannnot build our own damn, etc…It’s like people are spitting on our face while we are there smiling
What is the root cause? Is corruption is involved between our negotiators with these countries? Or is it just a mere stupidity or incompetencies? hmmmm…
DS Najib administration should do their level best to improve our position internationally and make this country respectable. But I think we should exclude football cause this seems impossible to improve *just kidding.
Salam Tun and Bloggers,
1.It’s cheaper in longer term to build our own water treatment plant in Johor
2.In economic term it’s called economic of scale
3.The same puzzling question applied to Petronas,where we import fuel for domestic consumption,while exporting raw petroleum
4.Of course it’s cheaper to buy than building our own plant,considering the staggering cost and break even could take 10-20 years
5.Malaysians are famous in expecting fast return,in other word short sighted
6.That’s the reason ‘skim cepat kaya’ flourished
7.I rest my case
Wassalam
Salam Tun & fellow bloggers,
Tun, I thought you would never raise this issue again. Syabas Tun, because this issue should open the eyes of ALL MALAYSIANS, 1MALAYSIA maa. No doubt we are very generous lot. But there must be a limit to that. We should be generous on items that we have a lot /extra to be offered to others in need especially our neigbours. But this must be reciprocated, if they too can have the same mentality towards us. Unfortunately this was not the case. Being a society that practicing KIASU mentality, this will never happen as proven during the Asian financial crisis ( Why can’t Malaysian learn for once ) when for what I understand they were one the factors or players that further contribute to our financial woe or problem. Even Mr.Habibi of Indonesian President of the time made a statement after knowing the conditions set by this KIASU in proposing assistance sought by Indonesia, ” IF THIS IS A FRIEND THEN WE DO NOT NEED ANY ENEMY ” Think about it.
If we rationalise the situation, ideally both need each other to prosper but not necessarily. But because we are too generous towards them, they consider it as a sign of our weakness to be exploited as they always like to establish relationship using KIASU philosophy. ” we would honour the understanding/agreement of give and take as long as when we are in a weak/same position but when we are in a stronger position, why should we honour such agreement, we deserve to take all?” survival the fittest maa. Will that ring the bell? Remember the Tg Pagar & immigration issue? It seems the matter now had been “solved” ( or is it? )but subject to “futher conditions to be discussed/negotiated” Meanwhile they already got what they want while what will get in return is uncertained subject to those future negotiation. We are already taking a weak position in negotiation – what to expect?) Just like the Israel-Palestinian issue, so many concesions already given by the Palestinians but what specific thing Palestians get in return? so far nothing except “we will work for peace” but subject to ..bla.bla.bla.
Please… all Malaysian wake-up. These issues with our so called neighbour should be brought to Parliament if we were to accept any terms of the agreement ( open & transparent ) and cannot be decided by one person or for that matter a group of people. For its national significant interest, the people should be given the mandate to decide. I do not know whether this can or how it can be done but I think TUN will know better. But for sure I know that such significant national interest cannot be decided over dinner or a game of golf or with a single meeting for that matter.
Please TUN, do not let go this issues so freely. I and I beleive many of us will share this views. We need YOU ever and more.
Enough is enough. Even though you are not having any post in the government or UMNO/BN, but believe me many NGOs as pressure groups, will support you in submitting your proposal/advice to the present government on these issue with our neighbour.
May Allah protect us and bless us with strength to face and resolve emicably this issue, ameeen.
Tun,
Yang menghairankan ialah, sekarang ni kalau tak beli air yang dirawat dari Singapura tu boleh ke? Masa Tun jadi PM, MB Johor tu siapa yang lantik ya?
Saya rasa ada yang tak kena masa tu atau Tun tak berkuasa atas MB tu. Sekarang ni, Kerajaan Negeri Selangor nak ambil balik Hak Air untuk Rakyat Selangor Tun patut sokong.
Setakat ni yang kaya Tan Sri Syabas tu aje.
Biar lah kami kat Selangor ni dapat balik hak air tu Tun, kalau misi PM Najib berjaya “Selamatkan Selangor”, sekurang-kurang nya lebih baik lagi. Tapi Tan Sri yang nak dapatkan hak air ini pun dapat title Tan Sri masa Tun juga kan.
A.Alshukor